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smithandrew051 03-06-2025 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17990443)
Playing the Sammy Watkins game against a team that simply doesn't have any players worth spending money on is an absolute nightmare scenario.

They should pivot to Robinson immediately. That's not a game we need to be playing at all.

I’m on the Jaylon Moore train right now.

He’s the only one we might say “that was a great deal” to in a few years. Moore may be the cheapest option but still have some upside to create a really good value.

The best case scenario for most of these guys is that we'll look back and say “it was expensive but that’s what we had to do”.

The scheme is an obvious concern but he’s been good by most methods of evaluation in his somewhat limited action.

DJ's left nut 03-06-2025 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 17990108)
When did Ronnie Stanley become Jonathan ****ing Ogden?

The **** if I know, man.

It's like people just forgot that the Ravens offense sets the Madden sliders to rookie for their OTs.

Brown was as good for them as Stanley was last season - better, in fact. Why do you guys think Rosengarten had such an easy go of it and such a successful rookie season?

Ronnie Stanley isn't some magic unicorn of a LT fellas and he's gonna look worse wherever he goes than he's looked in Baltimore.

OnTheWarpath15 03-06-2025 07:45 PM

Let’s face it, it’s a TERRIBLE time to need a LT.

The incoming draft class isn’t great, neither is the FA class.

OnTheWarpath15 03-06-2025 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17990452)
I’m on the Jaylon Moore train right now.

He’s the only one we might say “that was a great deal” to in a few years. Moore may be the cheapest option but still have some upside to create a really good value.

The best case scenario for most of these guys is that we'll look back and say “it was expensive but that’s what we had to do”.

The scheme is an obvious concern but he’s been good by most methods of evaluation in his somewhat limited action.

Kinda where I am right now.

staylor26 03-06-2025 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 17990455)
Let’s face it, it’s a TERRIBLE time to need a LT.

The incoming draft class isn’t great, neither is the FA class.

I know the draft class sucks, but one of the draft shows I watch made a good point about the Chiefs and pick 31.

This year, with guys like Simmons, Conerly Jr., Jackson, and Ersery all in that range it's strangely a good spot in a bad class.

I know people will hate it, but I think them signing Humphries, Wills, or Smith and drafting one of those guys is as likely an option as any.

OnTheWarpath15 03-06-2025 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17990453)
The **** if I know, man.

It's like people just forgot that the Ravens offense sets the Madden sliders to rookie for their OTs.

Brown was as good for them as Stanley was last season - better, in fact. Why do you guys think Rosengarten had such an easy go of it and such a successful rookie season?

Ronnie Stanley isn't some magic unicorn of a LT fellas and he's gonna look worse wherever he goes than he's looked in Baltimore.

This.

DJ's left nut 03-06-2025 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 17990455)
Let’s face it, it’s a TERRIBLE time to need a LT.

The incoming draft class isn’t great, neither is the FA class.

I just don't get the Robinson hate. I think he's as good a veteran LT as you'll see in FA in 80% of the classes.

And Stanley being a shinier object might drive his price down.

It's NEVER a good time to need an OT if you're drafting from the back of the round. In that regard I don't see this year as worse than most.

I went over the FA OT list awhile back and think I decided that Kelvin Beecham may have been the 3rd best FA tackle in the last decade or so? It's always bad.

And Robinson is a damn sight better than what you'll usually have available to you.

kccrow 03-06-2025 07:49 PM

I wouldn't offer any of these FA LTs more than a 2 year deal, honestly. I don't think any of them are worth a long-term investment, including Stanley. The risk of aging and injury is too much with him. The same goes if you try bringing back Humphries or Smith. Most of the other options just aren't great from a skill perspective, at least not enough to tie yourself to that player for 4 or 5 seasons.

And with that, I'd still draft a LT prospect. Depending on the who, it may be in the 1st or it may be in the 3rd or 4th with a slightly more raw guy.

If that thought process were to lose me a guy like Stanley, so be it. I'd turn focus to the draft. Each team that picks up one of these guys in FA is a team we're less likely to have to battle to get one of the few good prospects and there aren't a ton of teams in desperation mode to get a tackle. Cleveland, New England, and KC are probably the only ones that "must" get an OT.

OnTheWarpath15 03-06-2025 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17990458)
I know the draft class sucks, but one of the draft shows I watch made a good point about the Chiefs and pick 31.

This year, with guys like Simmons, Conerly Jr., Jackson, and Ersery all in that range it's strangely a good spot in a bad class.

I know people will hate it, but I think them signing Humphries, Wills, or Smith and drafting one of those guys is as likely an option as any.

If you’ve paid any attention to my posts in the last few weeks that’s EXACTLY what I’m expecting them to do.

People are getting all wound up and expecting Jonathan Ogden Part II and based on Veach’s comments they aren’t going overboard with resources if they don’t think the production will match the price.

DJ's left nut 03-06-2025 07:53 PM

It would piss me off beyond words if we skipped on some of the DL that are going to be there to draft a raw-ass LT who Mahomes still won't trust and who won't make a ****ing bit of difference if he won't throw the goddamn football on time.

If we sign Stanley to a 2 year deal - 2 years from now the same people will say 'well Pat trusts him so we have to bring him back...' and we'll stick Conerly or whoever over at RT then use the 'freed' money to justify extending Stanley.

Nobody has the patience for a young LT and Mahomes won't get rid of the damn ball on time anyway.

So go draft one of the DL.

OnTheWarpath15 03-06-2025 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17990463)
I just don't get the Robinson hate. I think he's as good a veteran LT as you'll see in FA in 80% of the classes.

And Stanley being a shinier object might drive his price down.

It's NEVER a good time to need an OT if you're drafting from the back of the round. In that regard I don't see this year as worse than most.

I went over the FA OT list awhile back and think I decided that Kelvin Beecham may have been the 3rd best FA tackle in the last decade or so? It's always bad.

And Robinson is a damn sight better than what you'll usually have available to you.

Maybe he had a month long case of norovirus, but dude was downright BAD the last 3-4 weeks of the season, and wasn’t great before he was dealt.

Pretty sure Thuney out-graded him. Dude got WORKED against the Lions and Rams.

Even if he’s the “cheaper” option I’m not sure he’s $16m better than DJ for a season while a pick gets up to speed.

OnTheWarpath15 03-06-2025 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17990467)
It would piss me off beyond words if we skipped on some of the DL that are going to be there to draft a raw-ass LT who Mahomes still won't trust and who won't make a ****ing bit of difference if he won't throw the goddamn football on time.

If we sign Stanley to a 2 year deal - 2 years from now the same people will say 'well Pat trusts him so we have to bring him back...' and we'll stick Conerly or whoever over at RT then use the 'freed' money to justify extending Stanley.

Nobody has the patience for a young LT and Mahomes won't get rid of the damn ball on time anyway.

So go draft one of the DL.

Now, this is fair too.

My preference would be to come out of the first two rounds with a DT and a DE.

DJ's left nut 03-06-2025 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 17990469)
Maybe he had a month long case of norovirus, but dude was downright BAD the last 3-4 weeks of the season, and wasn’t great before he was dealt.

Pretty sure Thuney out-graded him. Dude got WORKED against the Lions and Rams.

Even if he’s the “cheaper” option I’m not sure he’s $16m better than DJ for a season while a pick gets up to speed.

Guys been in the league for 8 years and been roughly the exact same guy for all of 'em.

He is what he is. And has always been in an offense not terribly dissimilar to ours in Jacksonville.

I just don't see any reason to believe he'll be anything worse than an average but definitely overpaid LT.

OnTheWarpath15 03-06-2025 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17990478)
Guys been in the league for 8 years and been roughly the exact same guy for all of 'em.

He is what he is. And has always been in an offense not terribly dissimilar to ours in Jacksonville.

I just don't see any reason to believe he'll be anything worse than an average but definitely overpaid LT.

Oh, he’s definitely a fit.

I just don’t believe he keeps Pat from running for his life.

*part of that is on Pat and I don’t have a solution

RunKC 03-06-2025 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17990450)
Definitely not advocating for it, but this is rich coming from the guy advocating for giving Metcalf 30 AND trading the Titans pick LMAO

48 of 84 possible games since 2020. 57% availability.

I think we can all agree that if Veach overpays for this guy to the tune of $28 million APY it would be a massive mistake


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