Yes he could have and IMO should have. I am pretty sure Harvick would have done it to him had their roles been reversed~

Bill Elliot wouldn't have, and he had the greatest nes game of all time

Please read above:

If Junior wanted to win -- He needed to take out Harvick -- not get him loose -- wreck him. Harvick had a faster car. If that's what you call racin' fine, I except that -- I don't.

Why would you risk wrecking another driver and possibly yourself and others to win the race, when Chase points are the goal?

Dale, Sr was dead before the Chase system was put into place. This is why die-hard NASCAR fans HATE the new points system -- Drivers are forced to point race.

:thumb:

Jrs car lossened up at the end and he just couldn't drive it in deep enough. I'm not sure he could have bumped and run unless he just barrelled Harvick over and that would have wrecked them both.

Philfree:arrow:

yeah I was comin out of turn 2 everyone checked up and I got in the back of the blue Duece, after that our car was junk, I would like to thank the Bass fishing tyco conaco chevy and the folks over at daves auto part for sponsering us, we will be back next week diggin hard.

As someone else said "unless he just barrelled Harvick over and that would have wrecked them both." and what you are saying I understand. If you watch the tape it was not the first time he had a nose in because you are right it would have put the 29 in the fence. The 2nd time when he went for the cross over he could have got the 29 loose and out of the gas without wrecking him the same dang way he got around the 18 to begin with.

He then could have battled it out with the 18 for the win. When you have not won a race in damn near a 100 races you go for the win there IMO It worked out for me as I pull for the 29 but IMO had his dad or Harvick been in the same exact situation they would have rubbed and ran for the lapped cars. What I don't understand is how doing it to Bush is fine but doing it to Harvick makes him the bad guy some how :spock: He sure as heck could have got the 29 loose and out of the gas without wrecking him...he even said as much in the post race interview~

The idea that points racing wasn't prominent prior to the chase is pretty ****ing ridiculous.

Yup. Sure Harvick probably might have made it back to the 88 before the end of the race but that doesn't mean he could pass him. I know he wouldn't have passed #3 twice. :thumb:

LMAO I tried to rep you again but got the old "have to spread it around" I hear what Dylan is saying. What is funny to me is this gee golly I want to be liked thinking. Harvick flat out put the 18 in the fence in the last race last year for clowning around and trying to help his team member beat Harvick. He could have got even Sunday but he knew he had it coming last year. I am not saying free for all but I would bet my last dollar if Jr would have got the 29 loose and hung on to win...or even if he didn't win not a single driver including Harvick would have held it against him. Sure right after the race Harvick would have bitched in the heat of the moment. After he cooled off and watched the replay he would have thought good move! On the track you have to be respected and Jr is too nice IMO~

No shit~

I gave rep again, you have and continue to do a outstanding job on this thread. Along with Dylan I would stack this on going effort with any thread ever on ChiefsPlanet. The both of you provide a great place to read and reply about NASCAR. A job well done~

I respect your opinion. But loose doesn't cut it -- Harvick had the fastest car on the track. And Junior's car was faster than Kyle. Therefore in the crossover, if Junior got Harvick loose and made the pass -- Harvick's super speedy car would of still beat him Junior over the finish line.

I don't care what Junior said during his interview. He's a poor interviewee.

I would also like to point out that Junior is running well this season. He's 8th in points. Junior has a new crew chief - Steve Letarte calling the shots. He is racing in Jeff Gordon's cars. Last year, Gordon's cars were good for the second best driver rating in the Cup series. Plus, they're working in Jimmie Johnson's garage. So why the rush? It's better to finish in 2nd place than finish in 25th place.

I'm curious why you didn't have a problem with Jimmie Johnson the week before, when he chose not to take out Harvick? Johnson was in the nearly identical situation with Harvick at the end of the race in Fontana.

I for one am very happy Jr is running well. And to your question they are two waaaay different tracks. That and JJ has 5 titles and is not in a close to a 100 race drought~

RedNeckRaider: The season just began. It ain't over. I'm confident, he'll have more chances of winning a race.

Save your points until you get collected up in someone else's mess.

However, thanks for the support.

Thanks but remember there is a BIG difference between the paperclip and a 200+ mph track...different code~

First, I'm an 88 fan. His dad before that.

The Harvick pass was done on lap 497. If Jr. taps him out of the way the chances Harvick could get back to him in a position to do the same thing or pass is slim. Especially since Jr. only gave up the spot because he screwed up all by himself and got loose....the reason Harvick made the pass. It was all on Jr.

I understand you like Earnhardt's honesty and clean racing. Just be advised that will rarely get a win, and never a championship.

You could tell in the post race interview Jr. was seriously upset. Probably at himself.

Jr. thinks fans rooting against him is a bad thing. It's fricking stock car racing. Shoving people out of the way is a normal thing.

Well guys, You convinced me -- I believe your right. Your points are well taken. Thanks

In that case, Junior needs to work on his confidence he seems to had lost with the last two CC's at Hendricks.

For you neck car fans
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O I forgot PING!

LiveSteam: Is Starling Merlin in this race?

I couldn't tell you. What I know about NASCAR is left turns & something to do with prohibition .

I'll go into more detail here now and then LMAO:

NASCAR Founder's Grandson Popped for DUI
Posted Oct 8th 2009 4:50PM by TMZ Staff

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (AP) - A grandson of NASCAR founder Bill France was arrested early Thursday on drug charges in Daytona Beach, according to a police report.

J.C. France faces charges of possession of narcotics and driving under the influence. France posted $4,500 bond and was released from Volusia County jail Thursday afternoon.

France, 43, was driving a 2007 green Lamborghini when he was stopped shortly after midnight Thursday. Authorities believe he was racing his half brother, 40-year-old Russell Van Richmond. France failed to stop at a traffic light and swerved on the roadway before coming to a stop in a parking lot.

Richmond, who was driving a 2003 Porsche when he was stopped, reportedly threatened the officer during the arrest.

"No, this is a mistake for you," he told the officer, according to the report. "I'm a France, we own this city."

Authorities continued with the investigation, and Richmond called for their commanding officers.

"You're done," he reportedly told an officer. "Your job is over. This is the biggest mistake ever and your (sic) so done in Daytona."

While conducting a search during the traffic stop, authorities found containers with a "white cakelike substance." The substances gave a presumptive positive reactions for cocaine when they were tested.

Richmond faces two counts of unlawful possession of a controlled substance, driving under the influence and two counts of threatening a police officer. He posted $10,500 bond and was released from custody Thursday.

France is the son of NASCAR board member Jim France and a driver in NASCAR's Grand-Am Series. Richmond is the son of Jim France's ex-wife. The two share a home in Daytona Beach, according to the police report. A telephone number listed for Richmond rang unanswered Thursday evening. A man who answered the phone at a number listed for France said he was not available.

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This is the product of several generations of inbreeding.

It's not his confidence that's the problem. It's his not wanting to be seen as the bad guy. Not a good thing in stock car racing. Never has been. When it becomes the norm we'll have 43 different winners every season.

Believe me I want him to win just as bad as you do. Hendrick is giving him all the tools to win and if he doesn't it's on him. Wish his dad could give him a vision.

I'm just getting started with reading information & opinion, made by respected sports journalists that cover NASCAR:

Excerpts from The Charlotte Observer: For Earnhardt, closing out a win can't be easy

It's easy to sit on the couch and list all the things you would have done if you'd been driving Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s car over the final few laps at Martinsville Speedway.

Of course, most of us don't have the slightest idea how to drive a race car, let alone maneuver it around a tricky paperclip-shaped short track with Kevin Harvick bearing down on the bumper.

It's been a long time, though, since he's had to do any defensive driving. Nobody is saying he's forgotten how to protect a lead late in a race, but it's never as easy as it looks on TV, and it certainly wasn't for Earnhardt on Sunday.

Stuck in a 98-race losing streak, in a car that was probably only good for a top-10 finish, he suddenly found himself in position to race for the win. Crew chief Steve Letarte's strategy and some lucky breaks put him right behind Kyle Busch racing for the win late in Sunday's race. Nobody would have been surprised if Earnhardt had run Busch over to knock him out of his way.

But Earnhardt didn't wreck him. He instead patiently worked his way onto Busch's rear bumper, and gave him a little nudge when it was time to take the lead. Was it out of bounds? Absolutely not, and Busch said so himself.

"I was holding him up, so it was good for him," Busch said. "He took the lead. No harm, no foul."

Maybe he should have forced Harvick to move him out of the way. But he didn't, and Harvick, with a faster car, earned it with a solid pass. Then he got back on Harvick's bumper for one last shot at it, and maybe he should have wrecked Harvick to take back the win.

He didn't, though, and his crew chief said that was the right thing to do.

"You can't bump a guy who just ran you down from straightaway back and passed you," Letarte said Monday. "We took it on the chin and understood we were probably a third- or fourth-place car that came home second. And that was all Dale Jr. at the end. I think a lot of people in the sport kind of wrote him off. He hasn't forgotten how to drive, he hasn't lost the desire."

Now Earnhardt will move on this week to Texas, site of his first career win 11 years ago, and where if he doesn't win Saturday night, his losing streak will hit 100 races. But he's got plenty to feel good about right now - he's obviously faster this year, he's eighth in the standings and his 11.2 average finish right now is up from the last two seasons.

And maybe he learned on Sunday that he can get to the front again, and wins might not be that far away. As he reflected, though, on what might have been, he couldn't help but wonder what he could have done differently.

Knowing that there was possibly something that he did that cost him that victory forced him to temper his excitement with the reality.


Read more: http://www.thatsracin.com/2011/04/04...#ixzz1Ic6FXG11

http://www.thatsracin.com/ Few other articles on Harvick & Earnhardt...

Maybe my opinions are not that far off the mark...

I'm happy for Harvick: On the virtues of hard work - Camping World Trucks, Nationwide Series & the Sprint Series.


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It took 30 races and a late move past the son of the team's greatest star, but Kevin Harvick finally got Richard Childress Racing a hard-earned Martinsville victory.

Harvick makes another late move, wins again

By Jim Utter - [email protected]

MARTINSVILLE, Va. – We’ve seen this before.

In fact, it was just last week. Kevin Harvick battles through adversity and into contention in the final laps and pulls off a stunning win.

While Harvick and his Richard Childress Racing team were celebrating, Earnhardt’s fans were again left to wait. Still, his opportunities for victories appear to grow with each passing week.

Harvick passed Earnhardt cleanly with four of the 500 laps remaining and held on to win Sunday’s Goody’s 500 at Martinsville Speedway.

Last week in Fontana, Calif., Harvick led only the last lap in earning his first Cup win of the season.

He was much more dominant Sunday – he led six.

“Just a great character‑building day for our team,” said Harvick, who earned his first series win at Martinsville.

“I don’t know how many character-building days we can have, but we’ll keep enjoying them as long as we wind up this way.”

Harvick’s team owner, Richard Childress, wanted to see Earnhardt pick up a win as much as anyone – but not at one of his driver’s expense.

“Kevin had to do what he had to do right there at the end and I was proud of him,” Childress said. “It’s just – Dale Junior will win races. He will come back.

“We have been in that situation. We have had a long dry spell, so I know what it meant if he could have won that race.”

Less than two years removed from what Harvick calls his worst season as a driver, he remembers, too. That’s also why he doesn’t take for granted the opportunities he’s had the past two weeks.

“Something that we have only done – I think once before – is win back‑to‑back weeks,” Harvick said.

“To come out this season and win at race tracks that we had not won at before – but we feel like we have been fairly good at the last couple of years – is good for our confidence, to say the least.”

It’s also good for his championship hopes.

He is now fifth in the series standings, and perhaps more importantly, the only driver with more than one win this season. That should bode well in case he needs to utilize NASCAR’s new “wild card” rules to get into the Chase.

“I think when you look at the two wins … I’ll take our chances on making the Chase with the wild card stuff,” Harvick said.

“So here we are, six weeks into the season, and I feel like we can take more chances than we did last year.”


Read more: http://www.thatsracin.com/2011/04/03...#ixzz1IcK40IxE

I asked LiveSteam: Is Starling Merlin in this race?

God love him, he answered: LMAO

How sweet!

I forgot to tell you something about the truck race on friday, you know how drivers are now in the habit of when they get spun out they put the hammer down so they can go ahead and flip all the way around to avoid hitting the wall? This one dude tried to do that when he was spun around and floored the gas right into the wall hitting it way harder. Never seen that before.

There is some truth there but again what is his crew chief going to say? My guy blew it? he should have bumped and ran? (which in that case 3rd was the worst outcome or a possible win) His crew chief has to back his play and defend it. Jr is showing signs of being a front row guy again, and the last thing he needs is his crew chief throwing him under the bus. Rather people like him or hate him NASCAR is better off with Jr running up front and winning races~

Absolutely. He's also one of those, much like Kyle, that you don't find a whole lot of "middle ground" folks (though I have no real love or hate for either of them). Either you love him or you want to see him 10 laps down (or in the wall).

The #3 was that way as well. My favorite driver back then was the #28 and whoever was the last to put the #3 into the wall until I got to meet him and found out he was a really great guy. I still didn't root FOR him, but I found it really hard to root against him.
RIP Dale

RedNeckRaider: Junior was running slower than Harvick. The #29 passed Junior clean. We both know if Harvick was Dale, Sr -- Junior would've hit the wall. Same thing with Kyle. Busch would've normally had a conniption if someone bumped him for the lead. Harvick found his way around Kyle and Junior by racing them clean. If Junior or Kyle had a faster car, they would've battled it out for the lead. But Harvick was faster and that was the difference.

Four fewer laps and Junior would have won. Plain and simple.

truebigdog: This sentence captures the spirit of a true NASCAR fan.

just my opinion

The best race game ever is Nascar2003.........Anybody still racin' 2003?


PhilFree:arrow:

Isn't that the one with Dale JR on the cover? If so then yeah I do, I go the wrong way and take out half the field at Indianapolis.

I have said the #29 was faster and I agree the #88 could not out run him. I still think he could have rubbed and ran for the lapped cars. 3rd was the worst outcome and a chance at 1st. As far as the in the wall part once again I disagree, nobody needed to hit the wall and I don't think Dale Sr would have put him in the wall in that situation. I think he would have used the same move Jr used to get around the #18 I have watched the end of that race several times and we will just have to agree to disagree on this one :)

i used to race nascar 2003 doesn't work on my computer anymore

What did you do wear the disc out?

I use to boss races and I always enjoyed booting and having peeps banned who did stuff like that.


PhilFree:arrow:

yeah the disk was pretty warn out, but I had a boot disk and could play it offline without the disk. I did put tons of hours in it. 6 years ago I raced for money online and made some money back. Fun stuff. Momo Wheel!

to the #88 fans:

i've got this one. don't worry, i've got years of experience.

first i gotta eat dinner. ... http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-14836.gif

... and pumpkin, Dale Sr would've put Junior in the wall to get around him. Harvick gave him a push to let the 88 know that he had a faster car. But for some reason, you think Junior should've taken Harvick out. Because if Harvick's car remained in one piece, that race would've been red flagged.

Now that you have watched the race several times -- Junior pulled a hell of a crossover on Harvick. His diddy taught him well!

I thought we were going to discuss this: http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-14836.gif

Lol not once have I said Jr should have "taken Harvick out" re read what I said. At one point he had a nose in far enough to get him loose. Red flagged...really? Look at that crap Carl Edwards has pulled and there was no flag, and that happened at a super speedway~

RedNeckRaider,

But at some point, we all figure out how it works -- Junior led 17/18 laps around the track before Harvick made his winning pass with four to go. What good would've it done to get Harvick loose? Harvick's super fast car would've found his way to the front when it counted the most - when he crossed the checkered flag. You can't beat speed.

And please don't dismiss the Chase. Junior gains more points coming in second than ending up mowing the lawn. NASCAR drivers won't intentionally take another driver because they could loose points.

Please understand there are two types of NASCAR search history - Pre-Chase and Chase.

The Chase ruined NASCAR - It is boring.

Yours truly,

Longtime NASCRAP fan http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-14836.gif

Don't make me pull this thread over to seperate you two :)

We're watching Kyle Busch and perhaps Carl Edwards mature in front of our eyes so far this season. Anyway, I hope so.

It has taken Busch seven years to understand that to compete at a championship -- you need friends. A Chase driver is up against 11 other drivers instead of 42. You have to learn patience along the way or you dont understand NASCAR's Chase book of history -
During the Chase, drivers are under the scrutiny of the remaining 31 drivers who will help you along the way or completely destroy your day.

Ah, I'm happy RedNeckRaider takes the time to debate me -- He's a longtime NASCAR fan. And may I add: He's very knowledgeable and can be very persuasive.

He's got a wealth of information wrapped up in his mind. Much more than I have. :thumb:

Strongly disagree. Sterilized cars, drivers and race tracks ruined NASCAR.

True! I forgot about that...

Did You Notice? ... The Real NASCAR Closer

The best late-race bloomer in NASCAR 2011?

The answer will surprise you. The sport’s loop data keeps a statistic marked “closers,” keeping track of how many positions each driver gains in the last 10 percent of each race.

Let’s find out.

2011 Top 5 Closers – Positions Gained In The Last 10 Percent Of Each Race
Juan Pablo Montoya: +31 Spots Gained, 5.2 Average
Kevin Harvick: +22 Spots Gained, 3.7 Avg.
David Gilliland: +20 Spots Gained, 3.3 Avg.
Carl Edwards: +16 Spots Gained, 2.7 Avg.
Brian Vickers: +16 Spots Gained, 2.7 Avg.

Montoya, has been quietly tearing it up even better lately down the stretch.

Here’s a breakdown of how Montoya’s fared in the last ten percent of races:
Daytona – 23rd to sixth (+17)
Phoenix – 23rd to 19th (+4)
Las Vegas – 1st to 3rd (-2)
Bristol – 26th to 24th (+2)
Fontana – 14th to 10th (+4)
Martinsville – 10th to 4th (+6)

Of course, the one that has to stick in his craw is Las Vegas, where Montoya didn’t have the speed of either Carl Edwards or Tony Stewart in the closing stages. But considering last season’s disaster, in which Montoya collected more DNFs (eight) than top-5 finishes (six) a man known to lose his patience has to be thrilled after reeducating himself on how to push the car to the limit. It’s all about balancing aggression enough to finish the race, with Montoya collecting a net gain of 31 points to make the difference between him sitting seventh in the standings and tied for 12th.

“I think we make the most out of it,” he said Friday on how he’s raced different in 2011. “We learn lots here [with his 2010 slump] that you can’t really DNF. We had so many DNF’s and so many wrecks and so many things go wrong; but this year, I think we’re racing a lot smarter.”

Just for comparison’s sake, let’s take a look at Harvick’s second-place numbers:
Daytona – 42nd to 42nd (+/- 0)
Phoenix – 4th to 4th (+/- 0)
Las Vegas – 21st to 17th (+4)
Bristol – 16th to 6th (+10)
Fontana – 6th to 1st (+5)
Martinsville – 4th to 1st (+3)

Not too shabby; note the No. 29 car hasn’t lost a single position in any race over the final 10 percent of laps. For the record, he led this category in 2010, picking up a grand total of 71 positions to equal an average of 2.0 per race.

It’s just this year, Montoya’s been that little bit better, no matter what the commentators might tell you on TV.


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Montoya will fade I would bet my last dollar on it~

Dylan
He makes that move he is not mowing grass if Harvick caught him again he concedes the pass and a third place is worst case. Also they were "points" racing before the chase. I must admit the "please understand" line made me chuckle...I will try and keep up lol~

RedNeckRaider

Nationwide is on ESPN2 -- Live from TEXAS! Who knew???

http://www.nascar.com/nationwideseri...derboard/race/

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CARL EDWARDS IS RUNNING 2ND PLACE

where is everybody? Get up, there's an ASSCAR race on ...

J.C. who hit Kyle???

Oh hell, I didn't know these were night races.

Oh Forcryinoutloud.... Some field filler blows a tire directly in front of kyle

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Eh...who cares.

hope that field filler tears the wall down. Minor injury only

Tire blown, bad luck. Looks like he was staying out of the way

ah, watch the race with me...

I like this track --

Where's the Carl fans Edwards is looking good.

I meant who cares about Kyle, not who cares about the race. The Mrs is upstairs henpecking with her hen friends so I'm hiding out in the basement.

Yay!

LMAO...

neither did I.

LiveSteam, who's your favorite driver / drivers?

give stenhouse 2 tires -- the guy never lifts!

Did you hear Stenhouse Jr.'s Crew Chief go off on the driver? That was pretty funny.

stenhouse needs to get the hell out of the way. He has no chance anyway.

lol ... no, i missed it...

time for a phantom caution

Stenhouse was going off about how loose his car was...and finally his chief got on the radio and basically said "Dude, just shut up and drive the car. Stop driving pissed off and do the best you can. I heard you the 30th time."

your boy is doing good!!! 5 to go

he's driving the wheels off that car

LMAO I'm pretty sure you already know.

Keselowski v. Carl. Haven't we seen this before???

tell me

Junior?

Carl's got the rocket fuel tonight

Congrats!!

Well that was craptacular.

LMAO ... Roid Rage /fans almost killed in the stands

he took out about 8-9 fans LMAO

Go to my profile page, and read the messages that you left there.

K.

Carl?

who else has a white hood? Biff?

the pic is so tiny lol he took out kyle

must be carl

READ THE FREAKING MESSAGES! Don't look at the pictures.

ohhhhhhhhhhh

k. LMAO

i didn't want to be nosy..