I don't know that they will move Revis right away. Not sure what value they get for him since he is coming off an injury. It is in his contract that if he holds out 1 day his contract extends 3 more years so they don't have to fear that. They can let him play out his year knowing he will give it his all. Maybe trade him during the year. I don't put it past Rex using him to help them win next year. He is in survival mode at this point.

Personally, I think the Jets would be dumb as **** to get a QB with arm strength issues considering the environments they play in at home and in-conference. IT can be done (Pennington) but he was a great Qb at the line and had solid accuracy before ruining his shoulder.

Jets have to get someone who can throw the ball in NY, NE, and Buffalo physically.

I try not to follow logic when predicting that team's decisions.

I have a fear that we will move back to 8 with Buffalo and get this years third and next years first in the process.

Definitely a wise decision.

Per Schefter this morning,

@AdamSchefter: USC QB Matt Barkley will NOT throw at this week's combine. He might run, but will not throw until USC Pro Day on March 27. More at ESPN. Com

ouch. And Smith takes the lead!
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If Buffalo offered that, you take it immediately.

damn....still injured, i assume

WHY?

Taking Luke Joeckel would be better than that. Next year's first could be in the ****ing 20's.

This is PERFECT. And with the 33rd pick of the 2013 NFL draft, the Jacksonville Jaguars select, Matty ICE 2.0.

the Draft can't get here soon enough.

not saying that in an inflamatory way to anyone; I'm just excited to see what will actually go down.

or if I'll want to punch my TV

Matt Barkley has Grade 3 shoulder separation
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7421/matt-barkley

The shoulder injury that will prevent USC QB Matt Barkley from throwing at this week's NFL Combine is a Grade 3 separation.
The separation is in Barkley's throwing arm, so it's understandable that he doesn't want to test it out until it's back in peak condition. A source told PFT that Barkley remains confident he'll display a "bigger and a stronger arm than anyone can imagine" at his late-March Pro Day. If Barkley performs well on March 27, his stock could

Brand new information here.

Good.

Benjamin Allbright‏@NFLDraftMonster

If I've said it once, I've said it 100 times: Any team drafting Barkley in the first, will be looking for a new QB in the 1st in 3 years.

So is a Grade 3 worse than a Grade 1?

Because all we've heard is that it should have been healed by now...

There's more to this story than is being said, IMO.

Just because it's healed doesn't mean your arm is up to full strength. Especially when a QB goes that long without throwing. You don't throw in the combine to unfamiliar receivers unless you are 100% sure your arm is tip top.

So he's healthy enough to throw, he's just ducking competition.

They said on NFL am that he isn't medically cleared to throw.

I didn't say that. I have no inside information on his arm. Dr Andrews will be there to explain it.

Barkley has been pretty vocal about wanting to fully participate, so clearly it's not his decision. Just like Geno with the Senior Bowl.

Barkley is probably best suited to go to a team that already has a veteran QB.

I know you didn't say that. That statement was pure sarcasm, directed at several people other than you.

Which takes me back to my original question.

I remember somebody suggesting that the worst case scenario was like 8-10 weeks.

We're headed WAY past that now.

Is there more to the injury than what we've been told?

I'm sorry. love you.


From what I have found online, a separated/dislocated shoulder can take anywhere from 4-12 weeks to heal. Longer to get full strength back in the shoulder. As someone who has personally separated his shoulder in baseball, I am assuming they are referring to the occasional dead arm feeling you can get for a while after.

If he can't throw, he won't get drafted high.

He's gonna end up having his pro day at the last possible minute or he's gonna drop like a rock.

Why the **** did he go back to school?

He's ****ing injured.


He's a checkdown king


He ****ing sucks.

Ego, he wanted to be the #1 overall pick.

His Pro Day was pushed back as of like 2 months ago I believe in anticipation of this. And top QBs rarely throw at the combine. Geno is because his Agent clearly thinks there is still a chance he can impress the Chiefs and/or is worried if the Chiefs pass he could drop out of the top 10 all together.

Or you know, because the starting quarterback at USC. Which is basically the college equivalent of being a movie star.

yup

Can't hide anything from the doctors at the combine.

IMO I think he could throw, but would be greatly increasing the probability of re-injury. The best decision he can make is to wait till its completely healed and then throw. Gotta be smart.

They originally suggested moving back his pro-day TWO WEEKS and that he'd be ready to throw by the combine.

The combine starts today and he isn't even medically cleared to throw.

He's teetering on being completely ****ed.

Doesn't the combine start Friday?

And if that comes too late in the process, he's looking at falling out of the 1st round potentially.

That sucks for him.

A lot.

People start showing up Thursday.

It doesn't start today obviously, it starts this week.

Not really. He will wow at his Pro day and everything else at the combine.

If they keep pushing it back, it won't matter what he does at his pro-day.

No scout/GM gives a shit if he pushes it back to the end. They all understand that he is waiting until his arm is 100%. It's the most important event in his life up until now.

Which falls under ego as well

Of course it does. I was referring to your second sentence.

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Watch his game against Oregon. As people were saying earlier in the thread, he was spraying the ball all over the place during this game against a pretty good defense, all while being pressured.

Everyone knows about his intangibles, but it's film like this that convinces me that he can be a very good NFL QB. If he's not bullshitting about his arm being "better than ever", I honestly think he could challenge Geno for the top QB spot. That's a big "if", of course.

But he didn't win the game so he must suck!

Barkley arguably had an even better game against Oregon in 2011.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACWjlXiCyU

Barkley send letters to General Managers, trainers, directors of college scouting regarding decision not to throw
Posted by Mike Florio on February 18, 2013, 4:49 PM EST
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It’s official.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, USC quarterback Matt Barkley has informed all NFL General Managers, trainers, and directors of college scouting in writing that he will not be throwing at the Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.

The letter explains that it’s a medical decision, based on the Grade 3 shoulder separation Barkley suffered during the 2012 college football season.

The situation has created some confusion because Barkley strongly suggested last week that he would throw at the Scouting Combine. Over the weekend, doctors advised him to wait until his March 27 Pro Day workout to throw for scouts.

As a practical matter, it puts all of Barkley’s eggs in his Pro Day basket.

Barkley is really intriguing to me. There are a lot of factors that hurt him (playing behind Kalil last year, having Woods + Lee, playing in a weak conference defensively besides Stanford, arm strength, mobility) but there are also a ton of great things he does on film and outside it in regards to his persona.

It's interesting to me to watch the stanford game from last year

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and this years.

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I personally feel like he is a much better prospect skill/stats-wise than Palmer/Leinart/Sanchez/Cassell.

If USC would have won a national championship I think he would have been a lock for the #1.

Leinart and Cassel for sure.


Sanchez had alot going for him as did Palmer. I'm just not sure physically he woudl be able to be better and I think his physical stuff is overblown.

Benjamin Allbright ‏@NFLDraftMonster
Of course Barkley isn't "medically cleared" to throw at combine. I wouldn't want to throw side by side vs. all the stronger arms either...


Any truth in this?

Why would there be? This is the 21st century. You don't need them in the same building together to compare their arms...

Why does this forum love to quote that horrible draft monster twitter. It's just another amateur guy in his basement website.

Not really. Its not a rocket for an arm but he isn't Pennington or Matt Cassel either. Average Nfl arm.
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Having them throwing side by side isn't the best way to compare arms?

obviously
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When one of the guys has a legit shoulder injury? Absolutely not.

I expect you to believe everything the Zobel kid says now if you are going to believe...Draft...Monster.

Just curious, cause he said it wasn't.

I think that what he's saying is that if Barkley's arm was so weak that he was hesitant to be directly compared to the other prospects, scouts and GMs would already know it.

Then it has to do with his injury, not his weak arm. Which obviously, is understandable.


However, if you question whether he is really that injured or not, it makes for a question.

I don't think that, but I'm sure some do.


But you are obviously biased, because you are a big Barkley fan.

Or that.

You would think so.

Maybe because of the injury his arm strength is REALLY off, like Peyton Manning, so he's trying to use the extra time to build back strength?

I have had a similar injury playing baseball. Hence my comment about how you can occasionally get dead arm when throwing because of the nerves in your shoulder. And this can extend past the 4-12 weeks for the healing to finish.

And I am technically a far bigger Geno fan than a Barkley fan. I am just an even bigger fan of facts and logic.

If he's having nerve problems in the arm, thats an even bigger problem than a separated shoulder.

Arm weakness is a symptom of shoulder separation. Nothing to worry. I am just saying even though it could be healed, he could still not have his arm strength back.

he is obviously a dumbass
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If it's just a separated shoulder, once the ligaments heal, yes, strength has to be built back.


But thats a whole different thing than nerve damage.

This getting blown up way too big for what it is. Same as Geno not going to the Senior Bowl. Its just ****ing idiots opening their mouths for no damn reason.

A shoulder injury that hasn't healed yet isn't a big deal?

Not in February. And especially not in some glorifed meat factory in shorts and t-shirts throwing the ball. NFL teams will run a physical on him at the combine. Its honestly not that big of a deal.

Sorry, but I beg to differ. A shoulder problem can be huge for a Qb with arm strength concerns.


It may not be a big deal now, but if during the physical teams think it might be a chronic problem, it is.

No the bigger problem is how come Geno Smith can't complete a damn pass while he is under center.

Ok.


The fact that Reid had his Qb in the shotgun 75% of the time last year is what then?

jive-ass hater.
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I didn't say he had nerve damage. I said after it heals you still have arm weakness, because of the nerves in your shoulder. Just like how if someone has to have a knee replaced, their kneecap area is numb for a while because you have to cut through nerves to get to it. The ligament can be healed but it doesn't mean your arm is 100%.

You're reaching.

It really doesn't have anything to do with nerves, more with re strengthening the joint capsule.


IIRC, he shouldn't have any severed nerves or nerve damage, he didn't have surgery. Nerves don't regenerate very well. They've come along way in this, but it's still not exact.

No I'm really not. You just got your words misconstrued.

Either way, he doesn't have nerve damage and you can stop reaching for reasons why people should be worried about him.

Well, you were the one to bring up nerve problems.


And I think teams are far more worried about his previous arm strength problems much before the injury anyway.

I was just using nerves as an example of when an injury is considered healed, but you still have negative effects following.

And I think most teams will realize he is the best QB in the draft by the time the draft rolls around, and that's all that really matters.

Doesn't make sense, but ok.


And, I hope they do, good for the Chiefs.

Funny article...

<table id="yui-tmp-20" align="right" border="5" width="350"><tbody id="yui-tmp-19"><tr id="yui-tmp-18"><td id="yui-tmp-23" colspan="4" align="center">A look at QBs with SoCal roots who were drafted in the first four rounds </td></tr> <tr id="yui-tmp-18"> <td id="yui-tmp-23" align="center">Player</td> <td align="center">Round
taken</td> <td align="center">SoCal area</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jimmy Clausen ('10)</td> <td align="center">2nd</td> <td>Westlake Village</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Mark Sanchez ('09)</td> <td align="center">1st</td> <td>Mission Viejo</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Kevin O'Connell ('08)</td> <td align="center">3rd</td> <td>Carlsbad</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Matt Leinart ('06)</td> <td align="center">1st</td> <td>Santa Ana</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Alex Smith ('05)</td> <td align="center">1st</td> <td>La Mesa</td> </tr> <tr> <td>J.P. Losman ('04)</td> <td align="center">1st</td> <td>Los Angeles</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Carson Palmer ('03)</td> <td align="center">1st</td> <td>Rancho Santa Margarita</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Kyle Boller ('03)</td> <td align="center">1st</td> <td>Santa Clarita</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Akili Smith ('99)</td> <td align="center">1st</td> <td>San Diego</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Pat Barnes ('97)</td> <td align="center">4th</td> <td>Mission Viejo</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Tony Banks ('96)</td> <td align="center">2nd</td> <td>San Diego</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Rob Johnson ('95)</td> <td align="center">4th</td> <td>Lake Forest</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Chad May ('95)</td> <td align="center">4th</td> <td>La Verne</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Steve Stenstrom ('95)</td> <td align="center">4th</td> <td>Lake Forest</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Perry Klein ('94)</td> <td align="center">4th</td> <td>Los Angeles</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jeff Carlson ('89)</td> <td align="center">4th</td> <td>Garden Grove</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Dan McGwire ('91)</td> <td align="center">1st</td> <td>Claremont</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Todd Marinovich ('91)</td> <td align="center">1st</td> <td>Santa Ana</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jeff Carlson ('89)</td> <td align="center">4th</td> <td>Garden Grove</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Steve Beuerlein ('87)</td> <td align="center">4th</td> <td>Anaheim </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Randall Cunningham ('85)</td> <td align="center">2nd</td> <td>Santa Barbara</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jay Schroeder ('84)</td> <td align="center">3rd</td> <td>Los Angeles</td></tr></tbody></table>


























































http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--so...060900663.html

Is there some other part of the country that has been drastically more successful with first round QBs?

You have to back to 1957 to get the answer to a question like that.
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