Still beats choking in the NFC title game with their soft pussy game manager QB completely unable to convert on third down.

Kyle Williams the punt returner lost that. He dropped 2 punts. 1 in the fourth quarter and 1 in overtime. They win the game if he catches those.

A real franchise QB wouldn't have left it up to the punt returner. A real franchise QB also would have been able to convert on third down with an Super Bowl appearance on the line.

Ah...there's that "blame the receivers" I've been waiting for!

Well, you can blame Baldwin. He sucks.

Baldwin does suck but he dropped ONE pass.

All defenses need to do to stifle Alex Smith is blitz the hell out of him. He can't handle pressure at all.

Steve Bono is to Lin Elliot as Alex Smith is to Kyle Williams.

Baldwin was shit long before Axl Reid, everyone knows it, so he is not allowed as an "out" for Alice. Sorry.

And at this rate, we never will.

People say that and say that, but didn't the SB champ QB leave it to the punter as well. Punter doesn't fumble and he fails in his job.

Giants take the lead in the 4th and close out with 3 more punts. OT is a stunning masterful drive from the 36 to the 29.

No, the SB champ QB went out and threw for 316 yards and a couple touchdowns, and he was able to convert on third down. He did his part.

that's not true. He was the best rated passer in the league last year against the blitz. He just needs to really get the system down in every kind of situation where the ball needs to go with different blitzes. That decisiveness will come more and more as he gets this system down.

Bullshit

I mean bullshit for the op.

wut

ALEX SMITH BRO

I didn't say it was an out. You said don't blame the receivers, and you most certainly can blame Jon Baldwin as a suck ass piece of shit money stealing piece of garbage. Cant blame bowe, he doesn't get any balls thrown his way. McCluster has caught everything his way, and Avery doesn't get run with the ones. So, you can blame Alex, and Baldwin.

Give it a break. Alex is better than cassel. Give him this year at least.

LUVS ME SOME ALEX SMITH

HE'S TUFF

Bad fan. good at Gif. bad at fan.

that's being way to kind.

Sucks major ass at fan.

AS scored 2 TDs as well

Eli lost more yardage in sacks than the 2 gift fumble shortened drives that generate half of their point output.

Giants punted 11x, and Eli failed on another drive to convert 3&1 that resulted TO on downs on a failed 4&1 run as well.

Cut it with the 'Eli converted on 3rd down' shit when 3/4 of their drives failed.

And the point remains if either punt is not fumbled, let alone both, he'd be the failing QB.

Supposedly the elite of elites out there today.

You can't even decide what team you're a fan of.

Shut the **** up.

How any homer can defend Alex Smith after getting steamrolled by BACKUP SCRUBS is beyond me.

Who is defending him? Im an Alex guy. He played like absolute shit.

But, your insistence that the back ups for San Francisco are merely scrubs, makes me laugh hilariously.

Who cares if the 49er backups are mildly talented?

The Chiefs will be facing #1's in the regular season.

The point is, that teams like the Jags, wont even have starters that are as good as some of the "scrubs" they were getting beat up by.

There is a reason that a lot of people in the biz claim the 49ers have the best roster from 1-53.

Oh, and it was preseason. A game that wasn't game planned for, and poorly played by the Chiefs. They aren't going to play that bad I don't believe.

Could, but I doubt it.

Who cares about the Jags?

Are they suppose to be some powerhouse that the Chiefs have to beat to make it to the SB?

My 25 year opinion of preseason is my Rock of Gibralter.

Don't get anyone hurt, first and last task.

uh......you seen the schedule?

I know who the Chiefs play, Einstein.

You seemed to have missed the ****ing point.

My hope for this team isn't to just beat the worst team in the league.

You think the 49er backups are better than starters on the premier teams in the league the Chiefs have to beat to accomplish something? If so, you're an idiot. The team got pushed around by ****ing backups. I don't give a shit if the game wasn't planned for, talent alone should show at least some level of competence.

Well, while I agree with you. The entire offense played like crap. I expect them to look at the film, correct it, look better in their next game, and get ready to play the regular season.

I look at it as one game. One really shitty game. At least now they know how much they have to improve to get to the level of a team like SF.

Eli Manning is not an elite QB.

Elite QBs like Brady and Rodgers are consistent. Eli is "feast or famine". His upside is that he has enormous smarts and courage, so he will attack at the pivotal moment, and when it works he gets a SB ring. That is a wonderful trait.

At other times he is foolhardy and makes boneheaded mistakes and kills his team.

Elite QBs are not inconsistent QBs. Eli is inconsistent.

I'm not knocking the guy. He is nearly elite. He is an easy top 8 QB.

How many ****ing times do I have to post this??


"While Williams publicly shouldered the burden of defeat, it was his quarterback who failed to deliver on the promise..."



http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/24/c...e-a-week-made/

that is because you aren't really a life long fan and haven't experienced the heartbreak we have going on 20+ years now

thats 320 regular season games

no , sir, its not JUST ONE GAME

you will never know this reality, because youre not loyal like we are

browns...niners...blah....what next year?

Gee, we haven't seen this in Kansas City.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/smithsux.gif

To be fair, the SB champ QB threw 2 EASY interceptions the 49ers didn't hang on to due to miscommunication. In both instances, 2 49ers DBs collided, causing the other to drop the ball. Both times.

Eli made 2 boneheaded throws but dodged a bullet. No harm no foul, and he has the ring. But he still foolishly forced those 2 throws. If the 49ers hang on to either one, there never is overtime and the 49ers meet Brady in the SB.

Actually, that game was a compelling defensive battle through all 5 quarters, and the first to blink was going to lose it. The 49ers blinked first. That was a hell of an enjoyable game to watch. Football at its best with 2 top D's just mauling the offenses.

Get used to it. The Alexsexuals are going to ruin your conversations to the point you can't just discuss the other players, but they will turn everything into an Alex debate. If you let them.

Yeah, the people with a modicum of patience for the season to actually start are driving these 'debates.' It's not the horde of haters who are convinced there could never possibly be anything but pain and death so long as Alex Smith walks the ****ing earth.

All I can really provide insight for that .gif is speculation.

#27 (CJ Spillman, $) provides a delayed ( from what I can tell from the gif) blitz. Now, this can be a designed blitz/roll or Spillman reading the back and assuming he was in pro if he was assigned certain responsibilities.

As for the play, the alignment (keep in mind, this isn't WC terminology and I'll update it accordingly as the season progresses in all likelihood), it's Gun Spread LT Strong and looks like 50s pro. While terminology varies from system to system, protection philosophies typically do not. This looks like 50s (weak slide with back having M/S/SSF and for the majority of Coryell/EP systems, there is a built in hot SS and a WS SA. From the gif, it looks like there is a built in hot but it's speculation (as it could be play design and myself not being familiar with Andy's hot/SA principles).

Now, the back does his job and then begins his "sneak" route. Hudson does a good job (if my protection assumption is correct) in assisting then completing teh slide. Where this all fails is A) Weakside blitz/support from Spillman and B) Smith staying on the X and not going to the hot or the back running the sneak while failing to climb the pocket.

Now, this analysis has quite a few areas of speculation due to my WC ignorance, but primarily, the issues on this play seem to be on Alex. From the gif, the hot looks available but it's hard to make an accurate determination from this angle. Additionally, I don't know if it was a built-in hot or a route designed and Alex didn't go through his progressions.

At this point, all I can say is A) This particular play looks like Alex's fault, especially from this angle. B)It's 1 play from the PS and I don't exactly have a familiarity with Reid's pro principles/hots/SAs, or progressions, so there is a discrepancy. Hard to not want to read too much into it and I'd encourage most not to. At the same time, if this is continued into the next PS game (against a team that does utilize similar concepts out of base/sub fronts) then there's probably some excellent fuel to add to the fire.




Also, inb4 tl;dr.

Far too complicated an analysis.

Alex froze like a deer in the headlights and ran himself into a sack.

Reminds me of stuff Cassel used to do.

It would be interesting to know if anyone was open downfield or not.

Is it wrong to want SOrter to whisper stuff like "Gun Spread LT Strong 50s pro hot" to me while i rub his feet and feed him grapes?

Just being men

being manly and talking about weak slides and mike backers and cover 1

being macho

black 59 razor, baby

Can we do that whilst fishing?

OT: I really miss fishing. I haven't gotten to fish in roughly 5 years.

This an extremely basic but accurate analysis if the principles I described are correct.

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I got some decent spots by me we could go get salmon on the ocean

or get clams and make chowder



You can get 50 clams per day with a regular license....me and my wife limit out most of the time and 100 clams is enough to make a nice pot of chowder

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

Andy's hoooooooot

ROFL

1 On Sprint 39 baby!!!!


http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...41-yard-TD-run

so do you really think alex smith isn't an upgrade from cassel? he's the same qb?

I'm not sure how many times this has to be said but just simply upgrading from one of, if not the worst QB in the NFL isn't the goal of a franchise nor is it impressive.

Alex has to perform and was specifically brought in not because he's simply an upgrade (Drew Stanton/Kolb/draft selection etc. could have likely done that) but to demonstrate through performances that he's a long-term starter and in the 2nd tier of QBs given the compensation required to attaining him.

People really underestimate just how truly bad Cassel is, especially when you consider he was in the exact same offensive system with interchangeable principles/designs/philosophies for his duration as a Chief.

It's one of the few I can barely utter in a guttural manner.

I attempted a joke regarding your football-speak. If I have to explain it, then I wasn't funny. Stooges

it is an upgrade, no one has denied this

but its not ENOUGH of an upgrade to justify the blown draft picks and using the #1 overall on a Tackle....

WHy not just pay brandon albert, get that deal DONE and use the pick on something awesome....?

Matt Flynn was available for a 5th rounder if we needed a stop gap

hell i bet we couldve got ALex Smith for a 3rd rounder if we didnt act like a 30 year old virgin sniffing panties for the 1st time

I giggled upon reading the initial post, despite it being brief.

Alex Smith isn't Matt Cassel.

But the results they provide are the same.

while i agree that 2 2nd rounders is too much compensation for smith i don't see eye to eye with you when u say smith is just a stop gap. To me, he is a possible future franchise qb who has what it takes to move the chains and win many games or if he reverts towards his old ways, a stop gap qb. Heck even if we got exactly what he did in sf i would consider him way more than a stop gap but if andy reid, being the qb guru that he is, can squeeze just a bit more out of him as he's entering the prime of his career, then smith can be a legit franchise qb.

We might disagree on that but stop with the stupid matt cassel comparisons. Yes, he looked like cassel when he didn't play well a few snaps but so did every other qb when they had bad plays. You can't pick a few plays out and say THIS IS CASSEL. it's also preseason. please calm down. alex smith before his 2 good seasons had horrible ps games and went on to have good seasons

when was Cassel 19-6 or whatever the record is?

Overreaction to preseason games

this.

The 49ers had that record. That's the whole point they had that in spite of Smith more than because of him. Hell let me guess you guys are big Tebow fans because "he just won"?

Cassel was dogshit but he still had a couple of good seasons. 11-5 on a loaded Patriots team and 10-6 on an overachieving Chiefs team (I say overachieving but don't feel they really did, that was mostly Charles, Bowe, special teams and a solid defense, yeah that doesn't sound at all like Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, special teams, and a great defense :rolleyes:).

Its not an overreaction about the preseason games you dumbshits, its that its confirming that Alex Smith is exactly the QB rational and logical people knew he is. You people are the only ones trying to argue that Smith is great (well and Dane but he just seems in his mood of being ultra super anti-anything that GoChiefs or whomever is so its obvious he's thrown logic out the window just to argue with him over everything) in spite of a wealth of evidence to the contrary. Alex Smith is different but they'll get the same results they got with Cassel. It will be about Jamaal Charles, special teams, and defense, and limiting how much Smith can limit you. Different partner but same song and dance.

The most positive thing I can say is that Smith should be a barometer for the team. That's if he plays to the best of his ability, which I'm still not sure he will (I expect turnovers when he relies on McCluster as a target that defenses key on him just like they did Cassel). I'm sure Jamaal Charles, special teams, and/or the defense will bail his ass out some games just like they did Cassel (and just the like 49ers did with Smith constantly). But if Alex Smith limits turnovers then he should allow us to see what we really have on the team, much like with Cassel in 2010. Then they need to find a QB solution and move Smith to his natural backup role ASAP, just like the 49ers.

That's also why there's a big concern. A lot of our talent is getting up there in age, so we don't know how much longer they'll be able to maintain their level of play. The 49ers were younger, but the real key is they dumped Alex at basically their first opportunity (and seriously tried before then even), I'm not sure that Reid will. Then what happens when they finally see he sucks and/or Bray or some other development project QB is finally ready to take over, but Albert, Hali, possibly DJ, Charles and Bowe are gone or no longer productive? They'll be able to argue once again how you need a good LT to protect their QB and it'll start the cycle of shit all over again.

You're straight up delusional if you think Smith is a franchise caliber QB and arguing that the Chiefs should give him a few years to see his potential is, well its why Smith is like Cassel all over again and its straight up stupid. Let me guess you also want to see the Patriots give Tebow a chance to develop so he can take over from Brady and become the glorious magical all winning QB that you know he is. You idiots sound exactly like the Tebow worshippers, you throw reason and logic out the window and want to believe so strongly that Smith is good so you'll preach it all over while everyone else just sees you for the foaming shit for brain that you really are when trying to make such proclamations.

Your whole argument has been debated (and nullified over and over again) on here, so sorry but telling people to calm down when you're arguing the same thing that only dumb shit Alex Smith fans have been for months makes people call you a ****ing idiot. They're not interested in still debating this, let alone with your dumb newbie ass that just seems to be another Alex Smith devotee, especially when we're seeing confirmation that Alex Smith is not improving and is exactly the mediocre QB he was expected and known to be. He's reached his ceiling and there's just as much chance that he turns into a turnover machine like Cassel in Reid's pass happy offense as there is that he becomes a legitimate franchise QB.

No he didn't. He improved from total shit to mediocre while the team around him became great and then carried his ass. Its why they were also able to slot in a 2nd year guy who had never played and get even better results. That team was ****ing loaded and Alex Smith held them back consistently.

I don't believe Smith is a franchise QB. But I do believe that Reid and Dorsey think he is. I think he's here at least 5 years, and likely extended in the offseason if he's even remotely adequate in 2013.

I have a gut feeling about that too. I say 3 years though as I think its more Reid, and that Smith will become a point of contention either between the coaches or between Reid and Dorsey. I think Dorsey will see the limitations while Reid will probably deflect it onto himself or say that he just needs more playmakers. I'm hoping that at that point Clark Hunt will overrule Reid and say its time to find another QB (but then you'd wonder if Reid will even stick around). Or maybe the rest of the staff (if they aren't just as delusional, which I think some of the guys like Chilly aren't but they'll probably just leave instead of trying to argue with Reid over it), or hell even Vermeil will talk some sense into him over it.

I do not want to see another internal meltdown caused by a shitty QB.

I don't think there's a real basis for the last sentence. I don't think Reid and Dorsey are in the business of rewarding mediocrity. If Smith sucks this year, and follows that up with another bad year, I think they move on.

Ha, I doubt Cap's even still in the league in 10 years.

Unless he's a backup in Miami...

Reid likely sees Alex as a franchise QB that has been unnecessarily protected (limited) by Harbaugh's conservative approach in building up his NFL offense. If Reid and Dorsey saw Alex as only a stop-gap serviceable QB, they wouldn't have given up so much to get him.

Now is Alex a QB that needs to be heavily protected and limited? Well, that is a fair question at this point... and the answer will be determined soon. We can all take our guesses in an effort to "be right on a message board".. but in the end, we are all couch potatoes that don't get paid to puff out our chests like we are pro evaluators. :rolleyes:

If Reid had inquired about Smith's availability on more than one occaision as Eagles' head coach (as had been reported), then Smith would be an Eagle right now, if the above statement were true.

Sounds like you're just making stuff up to suit your agenda.

Saved and stored for future use.

The offense was in no way loaded. At any point and time. Yes, the defense is loaded. The offense isn't loaded with play makers even NOW. Which is why a street free agent in Austin Collie is being talked about as a week one starter.

Yes, the 49ers lacked the big explosive play with Alex Smith, and Alex Smith is not the qb that Kaepernick is, but to put over this offense like its the Packers offense, or Saints is utterly stupid and false.

Only stupid shits who want to stick to their Alex Smith sucks mantra fail to acknowledge this.

Its why even this year, with Alex Smith gone, they drafted another tight end because they let Delanie leave because he couldn't catch a cold if butt naked and wet in a blizzard, and they drafted Patton as a slot receiver.

No. The 49ers are no way loaded at receiver. Right now, they have Boldin until Manningham, and Crabtree are back, and literally nothing else except a first round bust, Chad Hall, Marlon Moore, Kyle Williams, Austin Collie.

That is garbage........

They got better results with Kaepernick? Not true.

espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/86852/49ers-offensive-drive-info-by-quarterback

2012 49ers Offense by QB

And there is good reason Smith shouldn't even of had those tiny edge in yards and points.

In 5 of Smith's games the team was coasting to W's in the 3rd and 4th Quarters.

Kaepernick it was 2, 2.5
The NE game should of been but there was a string of 3 drives 10 plays and 3 punts by the 49ers late in the game.

The team in the 2nd half was more often needing drives and points to secure wins and the results were no better than boring Alex Smith's read #1, checkdown, eat the sack, Punt, maybe next time.

I agree that statistically it was a wash, although Kaep gives you more impact plays. It's about explosive plays, and the ability to create them. Especially in the playoffs or late in the season.

The NE game was a a great example.

14-25 221 yards 4 TD's and a pick. Not AMAZING numbers.

But if you watched that game, you'd see the way we moved the ball, the way we scored on TD passes.

BANG. BANG. BANG. And we're up 30 on the Pats.

Even with the turnovers, we're not scoring that quickly with Alex, he's just not gonna make those throws.

It wasn't like, "Okay lets's just play conservative and grind it out." (At least at the beginning)

So the stats are what they are. I'm not disputing that.

But look, Harbaugh/Roman has proven that they will run a consistent offense as long as they have a QB that's not completely reeruned.

So at that point the question becomes "When things are not ideal, who gives you the best chance to win?" And I think that's Kaep. He's got more of that killer instinct.

Whether it's the protection breaking. Putting the ball in a spot that's riskier to get that 1st down. Or we're down 17 on the road in the playoffs.

Kaep's that guy that can be efficient, but also give us those impact plays when being efficient isn't enough.

yo overreactions happen in preseason. If he does it for a full game or multiple games then you can say thats who he is. please stfu. the half that smith got in the second preseason game isn't confirmation of crap.

Hypothetically, I bet Smith throws the fade to Moss who was in one on one coverage on the 4th down play in the Super Bowl. Kaep never even looked at him even he is the greatest jumping receiver the game has ever seen. Kaep locked onto Crabtree and never looked back. If Smith was in there, they would have had a better chance at the TD in my opinion.

I think Kaep takes a step back this year.

Bro. We were down 3 TD's. If Smith is in there the game is over.

I honestly think it's 50-50 with Kaep. But to be honestly I'd like to see him struggle a little bit early in the season. See how he deals with it.

I smell the sophomore slump coming.