I like to think that Baldwin was held back because of shitty QB play and bad coaching. I still have hope for him but I know he has to work for it and own up to it. Even though I don't like Alex Smith in any way to be our quarterback, he surely is an up grade over Brady Cassel or Matt Quinn. So if we get better quarterback play then Baldwin wont have any excuses not to do better. I think the coaches should really ride his ass. Actually wish Todd Haley was our WR coach.

You really are a dumb muther****er. If Alex was so terrible, and it was deemed his fault, then why would a QB guru like Harbaugh suck him off to the media and beg him to stick around while paying him the 3rd highest salary on the team? Why would he put his reputation on the line to keep a QB that many ignorant SF fans already disliked? Somehow, I doubt you will even try to answer that one.

Why would Reid push so hard and give so much to get him at all? Fact is, the Niners teams prior to 2011 had many problems that were beyond the fault of their QBs. If you can't pass block, can't devise professional gameplans... can't adjust those gameplans during a game... then your team will look pretty crappy. Coaching makes a huge difference.

Is it possible that a properly developed QB... an elite QB... could have had more success with such incompetent coaching? Perhaps... but there are only few if any QBs that could manage that feat.

If someone can find a full statistical QB comparison over the last 3 years of their play, please post it. As I recall it when it was posted a while back, for the last 3 years, Alex is right up there in the top 10 of all QBs. He probably was around 7th. Even if you feel he is not worthy of a top 10 spot, to say he's terrible, awful, etc. is just being ****ing moronic.

From what I've been told from people with first hand knowledge, Baldwin was held back by himself. If he ever wants to be a real pro, he needs to step up his work habits and eat a whole humble pie.

It's disappointing because I'm probably his biggest fan on here.

This indeed. Great post. There's no accountability. I thought some Niners fans were awful, but some of you (not you, Marcellus) should just flush yourselves down the toilet. Wretched, awful people with no dignity.

I wish someone here had some connections with someone at the NFLNetwork.

I would love to see the two playoff games from that season again where the 49ers played the Saints and then the Giants.

I believe both have been on NFL Classic Games before, and I for one would love to see them again.

This was from about a year ago... and we know since then, Alex was statistically in the top 5 (top 3?) of all quarterbacks since this was posted...

#49ers Where’s Alex? … QB rating (last 665 attempts):

I agree the negatively is overwhelming, but put yourself in our shoes. We havent experience a playoff win in almost 20 years and over half the fan base has never experienced a super bowl. Sooner or later people will tend to get feed up with it, until this franchise proves otherwise.

Not my best ability, I admit. I am trying though.






Away from that note though, I just read this few-months-old article... very long, but pretty solid.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/3...-to-alex-smith

Say hello to all your new fans (and to Alex Smith)

The franchise made sweeping changes this off season. No one will know the results of those changes for seven months, yet there are some that claim to already know the end result.

It's nonsense.

They made sweeping changes only to do the same thing Carl Peterson would do to address the quarterback.

You really are DENSE.

Know ? Maybe, maybe not. Understand what will probably happen..? Yeah.

I mean Vegas doesn't have any confidence in AS doing anything more than he's done in his best years at SF.

How so? We have seen this same action time and time from Carl Peterson. Why would should we think this time is going be better or different results?

I agree, i am actually one of those that is excited and willing to give this regime a chance, but I do understand why some people would be feed up with anything the chiefs do.

I see the problem here.

Because they are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE

The butthurt is strong in this thread.

You are wasting your breath trying to explain that Alex Smith's success or failure is in no way tied to Cassel, Bono, Grbac, or any other QB to ever put on a KC uniform.

Just like Reid and Dorsey don't care about the past failings of the franchise nor should they. Their job is to build the best team THEY believe they can.

They looked at what their options and made decisions on what they think is best for this team at this moment.

That happened to be Alex Smith.

Had this been last years draft we would have RGII or Luck in a KC uniform right now. It wasn't close to last years draft class.

Its not complicated.

and its true until they get proven otherwise

And IF that's the case, the Chiefs are looking at 11-12 victories and the playoffs in 2013, right?

Contrary to the haters, led by GoChiefs and his false narrative, I've made no such predictions. There are a ton of new pieces on this team, which will take time to gel and come into focus. Think back to the 2001 season with Green and Priest Holmes: It took weeks for Saunders to figure out how to best use Priest Holmes and once he did, the offense began to explode.

I think it will take time but all that matters is consistent improvement from week to week. Anyone that watches the NFL knows that it's how a team finishes that's important, not how they start.

How many 9-7 Wildcard teams have won the Super Bowl recently?

This from a guy who gets his player evaluations from Madden 2010.

No one cares what you think, least of all, me.

Boy, don't I know this one. One, with Michael Crabtree. People in here, want to give Kaep all the success for Michael Crabtree. That couldn't be further from the truth. The truth was, that this last season was the first season that he actually acted like a professional. He was at the OTA's, he was in training camp for the first time in his career. Yes, his CAREER. He came in to camp in shape, and actually developed some chemistry with Alex Smith, who between the two, had 3 tds,, in their last 4 quarters together. And then on the other side of that, the Browns are dealing with Josh Gordon. All the talent in the world. saw dust for brains.
Well, If I were a smart man, which I do not claim to be, I would look at what happened in the offseason, as a reason for optimism. Does anyone know who the coach was of the eagles before Andy Reid in philly that actually got the eagles to a super bowl? Not that its relevant, but most of the posters in here weren't born when that super bowl took place. Andy Reid knows exactly how to build a franchise from the ground up. People need to at least give him a chance to prove that he knows what he is doing as far as Alex Smith goes. I look at the options he really had at qb. Kevin Kolb, Matt Flynn, Carson Palmer, Ryan Fitzpatrick, MATT HASSELBECK, Mike Vick, trading for Nick Foles, and any qb in the draft he could of had. And yet, he wanted, ALEX SMITH, and gave up a hefty price to get him. That should say something to the people of ChiefsPlanet.
Well, there is your first problem. Maybe that is the PROBLEM all together. Carl Peterson, had ZERO to do with Alex Smith. That would be John Dorsey, and Andy Reid. Carl Peterson from what it sounds like is doing what every Dallas fan wishes they would do, and what Jed York did in San Francisco. He is leaving football decisions, to FOOTBALL PEOPLE.

It wont take Doug Pedersen, and Alex Smith any time at all to figure out how to use Jamaal Charles. Alex Smith knows what runs to switch into, and he has zero problems handing off, or checking down to him. It will take the defense a little bit of time to get together, a secondary, is a trust thing, so they have to learn to trust each other, but as far as the offense goes, that to me, is the least of the problem....

This is such a cop out for when the team goes 6-10, 7-9, 8-8 you can use this excuse all the way into year 2 and still have faith that it's a "process"

Oh it took Alex Smith until Week 10 to figure out how to throw to Bowe, and Doug Pederson week 11 to figure out how to use McCluster and Bob Sutton week 15 to figure out how to bench Dunta Robinson for anyone else and the DL to get a pass rush, this will all carry over into next season for year 2 playoff hopes! woooo!

What's the difference between the reaction from this offseason and the 2009 offseason?

Most like the changes and a select few see it as Deja vu of the replayed Chiefs outlook of the last 30 years.

"build a team around a quarterback that other teams didn't see as a starter.

The strangest part of that...you were on the other side of the debate in 2009
and this year Have shitted on posters that question the teams current strategy...that very much appears the same as what we've done for decades.

Maverick, you must have missed Crabtrees comments about how Kaepernick trusted his players more than Alex did and that's why his production got a boost when the change was made.

Listen this reaction is because of what it is,

we were led to believe after 2008 and into 2009 we would have a 4 year rebuild

we are now on an 8 year rebuild plan. A rebuild of a rebuild that should have been a rebuild. While other better ran franchises are turning over losing seasons into winning seasons in the span of 1 year, we are on an 8 year plan to find some winning consistency.

That's why people are tired. Four years ago people were saying, by 2013 this will be a winning Chiefs team and formula. Guess what, still losing. So now by 2016/2017 this Chiefs team will be winning if we are lucky. By then that will be far too late for some of our best players and we will need, you guessed it, another rebuild.

I find myself agreeing with you a lot this offseason.

It's strange.

I don't see how this is similar to 2009, not in the very least. Todd Haley was a guy that was best known for having a screaming match with Anquan Boldin of all people, and had never been a head coach before. I can see the comparison with Dorsey, and Pioli, but, Cassel and Alex smith, there is nothing to compare. Cassel took over for Tom Brady, threw all season to Welker, Moss, and Ben Watson, and the Patriots capitalized on that and raped the Chiefs. Alex Smith came from a team that has limited receiver weapons to a team that has a phenomenal offensive cast, including a very good oline. The situations are the same in how they were brought together, but the independent pieces, are NOTHING like what it was.......

Again, I agree.

This teams fortunes won't change until they draft a quarterback that can inject some life into this stale franchise.

Successful rebuilds always start with drafting quarterbacks.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

No, I didn't miss that. And, ill be the first to tell you, and you have read me say this before. IN San Francisco, Alex Smith, RARELY, threw to a receiver if he was covered at all. It was only in his last full game against the cardinals that alex ever threw to guys who were covered. It was stunning. But, ironically, hence the THREAD TITLE. They are telling him to be more aggressive. Now, will he? I don't know, I don't know what kind of assurances he has gotten from the coaching staffs, that if he forces a few throws in the preseason, and they get picked off, are they going to turn on him, or if they are doing the right thing, and telling him that he needs to make those mistakes then, so he knows what he can get away with.

I hope he comes out and attempts passes I haven't seen from him in the preseason, and is ultra aggressive.

It's just a numbers game for our chances to win.

We dont have a shot at the division until Peyton Manning retires. And there are too many good teams in the AFC that fight for the wildcards. Our only shot is winning the division to make the playoffs. The other AFC divisions have locked up division champs and thee good teams fighting for the WC.

We can't compete with the Ravens, Steelers, Bengals, Colts and maybe even the money the Dolphins spent and their young QB on a WC spot.

That's asking Alex Smith to compete against Flacco, Big Ben, Andrew Luck and Tannehill for a chance at 10-6. With 1 of those 3 teams locking up a division and Houston and NE locking up the other two.

Alex Smith cant hang with ANY of those QBs.

hmmmm, I don't know about that. The packers rebuild started by signing Reggie White, and trading for Brett Favre. The Rams rebuild started with trading for trent green, and then by having a journey man taking over. There is no blue print to it. Matt Hasselbeck, was another teams back up that got his team to the super bowl. The Broncos rebuild is being completed by Peyton Manning. A successful rebuild, starts with having a front office, and head coach that can walk hand in hand, have a similar vision, and hit on draft picks, and free agents.

Such a quitter's attitude, and it should shame you to be so defeated. Imagine if the Chiefs players and coaches felt as you do. It's weak sauce. It takes courage to believe in something. I wish you luck in finding some courage.

you are a 49ers fan front running as a Chiefs fan because of a shit player

That's a quitters attitude, finding a 2nd team to be a homer about.

You're ****ing full of shit. When have I EVER used a "cop out" in 13 years of discussing football in this forum?

You still have not revealed how a guy in Pennsylvania knows so much about every other football team (which of course, is a joke because you repeatedly continue to show that you don't know dick).

You're an idiot. I hope that's working for you.

You sure are assuming a lot. I guess you think that without Welker, without gronk, without the murderer, that the Patriots aren't going to struggle. YOu are assuming that the Dolphins are going to be better because they added, MIKE WALLACE?

The steelers, and Ravens are FAR WORSE than they were a year ago. Also, the steelers are just flat out OLD. Yes, its true, you probably will have to fight for a wildcard with the colts/Texans runner up, but look at the division you play in. Its AWFUL. There is no competition for second place. And to think that you cant split with the bronocs, that just crazy.

A lot of your assumptions are based off of reputation, but not really off of reality. Especially with Baltimore. You don't lose everything they lost, Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Paul Kruger, Ellerbe, and Anquan Boldin, and not take a step back.

No dumbass. That's me. Don't confuse the two. mac has been an equal of both teams since he got here. Don't be so ****ing dense.

Who are you to tell anyone what they should do with their time or which team(s) they should root for?

STFU

Do you have ANY idea the sheer volume of fans that came over with Joe Montana to the Chiefs? Hell, we have several here in the forum.

You're dumb. It figures, since you and SDH share the same avatar.

Two peas in a pod called stupid.

Joe Montana = Greatest Quarterback of All Time or Alex "8-8" Smith. Pretty much have to be a dumbass to switch teams because of Alex Smith.

This.

More nonsense.

The Steelers just lost their best downfield threat in Mike Wallace. They lost their starting running back. Their defense is old and James Harrison moved on to Cincinnati. They missed the playoffs last year and are coming off of an 8-8 record.

For a guy that lives in Pennsylvania, you don't know jack about the Steelers.

I doubt people are switching teams. They are simply adding a team in which to cheer for. I will always keep SF first and by a large margin... but there's nothing wrong with adding interest in another team.

I'm sure the Ravens, Bucs and Saints can't wait to return their Super Bowl trophies.

If Denver wins it all this year (which has been predicted by many in the media), I'm sure they'll refuse the award as well.

Drew Brees, Brett Favre, and Tom Brady say Hi.

What you know about the NFL and football in general could fit in a thimble in the hand of a Barbie Doll.

I am saying this respectfully. A lot of hiner fans that came here because of Alex Smith, aren't saying they are chiefs fans, just hoping that Alex has success. I love Alex Smith. But to a lot of you. That seems CRAZY because hes a mediocre, or shit qb in your eyes. But, you also haven't been cheering for the guy for 8 years, know what he brings other than on the field ability. And that is fine. It is no different than when last year, Robinson Cano got his ass booed reeruned at the home run derby, all because he wouldn't pick Billy Butler. To me, I was like who the hell cares. Billy Butler is a turd. Now that would seem offensive to you......ITs a pity that we as humans cant even empathize a little. Hopefully, Alex Smith does good enough for your team that perhaps one day you will appreciate him the way people appreciate Trent Green. Probably not, but it would be nice. Hes a hell of a person, and not a horrible football player. Just not great.

As do Jim Plunkett, Brad Johnson, Kurt Warner, Doug Williams, Joe Theisman, Lenny Dawson and Trent Dilfer.

But there's only ONE WAY!

LMAO

Seriously guys, get over yourselves.

ehhh, Tom Brady was drafted by the pats........And he didn't specify round. Just thought I would clear that up. That's why I didn't mention him.

How did Baltimore get worse?

you can argue they got better talent wise. They got younger and more talented.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/ba...fl-pos=defense

look at those ****ing LBers. Suggs and Dumervil with Daryl Smith and Arthur Brown? Smith and Brown are much more athletic and faster than Ray Lewis was last season at the end of his career. Their D-line got better. And they are getting their best CB back from injury who is a top 5 CB in the NFL. And its not like their safety drop off is that bad, they drafted a high prospect at SS and signed Huff, who sucks but still serviceable for that defense.

And the Steelers would have been in the playoffs had the Chiefs not snapped Big Ben in half, they were fine up until that point. A healthy Big Ben will always make that team in a position to have a winning record. The wheels fall off and they lose when hes not playing. The last time the Steelers had a sub .500 record they bounced back with a winning season the following year, cause its a ****ing winning franchise.

The Donkos are NOT that good. I don't think anyone ought to be handing them the division just yet.

Top to bottom, I think KC's roster is better.

Denver is likely to win at least eleven games this year, barring catastrophic injury, because of Peyton Manning, Eric Decker, Demaryius Thomas and Wes Welker.

They won't win 13 games this year because the division, especially the Chiefs, have improved but they'll be a double-digit winner and a Super Bowl contender.

well, When you replace reed, and pollard, with a rookie, elam, and Huff, you didn't get better. Webb, has to prove he is healthy. Arthur Brown has proven absolutely NOTHING in the nfl, and how much does daryl smith have left. Yes, Adding dummerville is an upgrade over Kruger. But, they did lose boldin, and he was HUGE for the ravens. He was huge for flacco.

And as for the steelers. They are old, and slow. And they lost their speed on offense with Wallace. Yes, they still have brown, but sanders will be focused on this year. And I just don't trust ben to stay healthy. That is the toughest division in football boss. It wouldn't surprise me if the steelers didn't finish last.

they actually have more than one real WR that produces at the NFL level for starters

Its not their offense that is the question mark. To me, its their defense. Their secondary is awful, and losing dummerville, is going to hurt quite a bit. Now they will double team von miller on every play.

Rothlisberger is a year older and has always had issues playing 16 games. Mike Wallace is gone. James Harrison is gone. They have no running game. Their defense is suspect and old, especially Polamalu.

Yeah, their offense with Welker, decker, stokley, Thomas. That's as legit as it gets at receiver.

Thomas and Decker were very average before Manning's showed up.

I'm not worried about Denver doing anything in the post season because of Manning's penchant for shitting himself in the playoffs.

The two MLBers they have behind Brown had 79 and 49 tackles respectively last season. So if your argument that Brown is a rookie that produces nothing, they have two MLBers more than capable behind him that have produced in the NFL and are worthy of starting. So either way, they will have okay MLBer play that their stacked OLBers, DL and CBs can mask.

Anyone penciling in the Pats as a Super Bowl contender hasn't taken into account the loss of Wes Welker and Aaron Hernandez, not to mention Gronkowski's endless health issues.

They've had a terrible defense as of late with no running game. They don't have any one special on the perimeters either offensively or defensively. They might still win the division because the Dolphins and Bills are young (and the Jets are a mess) but I don't see them making much noise in the playoffs, if they get there.

I agree, and it would be the team we would be chasing, as the Bengals and Ravens probably have the Steelers outclassed.

I still don't think we can hang with the Colts, who have a WC essentially locked up until the Texans **** up.

The Ravens and Bengals should be in a dogfight for the division in 2013. If both teams remain healthy, both are virtual locks for the playoffs.

The Texans are a very good team but with improvements to Indy, Tennessee and even Jacksonville, I doubt they'll dominate the division. It really comes down to the changes in Indy, with Arians in Phoenix and Pagano as the head coach.

I agree about the Pats falling off in 2013, but they did have a top 10 rushing attack last year.

The bottom line is this: If the Chiefs win eleven games, they're in the playoffs. Anything less substantially decreases their odds.

Tom Brady is still the quarterback in New England. Its still safe to pencil them in as a contender.

Nah you are just saying that because you don't agree. If I put on my homer glasses & thought all is well with Alex Smith then we would be agreeing with each other. Isn't that scary?


I don't care what you think of my football knowledge. We don't agree doesn't make me wrong or you wrong until they play & we find out how it all works out this season. I'm rooting for the Chiefs to win a playoff game and hope for a Super Bowl just as much as you, but I have to see it to believe it.

I think the Colts are on the rise and will only get better. Isn't it Luck's buddy calling the playbook now. The chemistry is still there. It's his system and the sky is the limit for them.

I dont believe there are any improvements to Tennessee or Jacksonville, two teams that will still be terrible and beat on by good teams next year.

I agree that Denver's weakness is defense. I really think their secondary and LB corps are suspect.

Agree, minus the probably not bit. If Alex had gone to an already hated team, well then **** him, I say. ( I'd still want success for him, but would not support such teams ) Alex went to KC, and there has always been elements to KC football that I like.

Fair enough. I hope for my browns sake you are wrong lol.

I want to see Chump Baily fall flat on his face. Better yet I want to see Dwayne Bowe stiff arm him into the dirt.



**** Chump Baily & the Broncows.

Yes, there are teams that Alex could of went to that I might of kept an eye on him, but I wouldn't of actively rooted for him to succeed. Here, in Kansas City, I feel he can be a part of something great, and I love the majority of their fan base.

You're logic is ridiculously flawed.

It has NOTHING to do with being a "Homer". It has to do with the fact that you don't like this move, only because the Chiefs traded for Matt Cassel and Trent Green.

It has NOTHING to do with the fact the there's a new head coach and coaching staff, a new GM and scouting staff and both new offensive and defensive philosophies.

You're just stuck on something that is completely irrelevant and clearly doesn't take into the fact that there was NO ONE available on the free agent market or the draft (despite your undying love for a second round QB that's completely flawed).

You've bought into GoChiefs' flawed narrative. Period.


You were most certainly wrong about how the NFL viewed Geno Smith. Before that gigantic mess, I had absolutely no idea you even existed in this forum.

0-1.

Tennessee added LeVitre and Warmack, so if anything, their running game should be improved. Jacksonville has a new coaching staff and defensive philosophy. They may not be much improved in terms of record but they won't likely be a pushover.

Regardless, it's always difficult to sweep your divisional opponents. The Texans, for instance, have never won in Indy.

And we haven't beaten the Raiders convincingly in what seems like 10 years.

I didn't buy into anything GoChiefs has said. I've wanted the Chiefs to draft a QBotf for over 25 years. I didn't want Joe Freaking Montana and I sure the hell didn't want Alex Smith. I'm sold on the idea of building a championship team by drafting a quarterback and going with him. I was wrong about how the NFL viewed Geno Smith, doesn't mean he wont turn out to be a good quarterback after a few seasons. The NFL has time and time been wrong about players.

I have a belief in build the team in the draft & start with the quarterback. I agree this was a weak sauce draft class to do that but doesn't change I'd rather take a chance on a prospect than an 8 year vet that has a hard time staying healthy each year. Trent Green was only good 3 out of the 5 years he was here maybe can count 4 years. He got hurt and that is what I expect to happen with Alex Smith.

This new regime has to prove me wrong before I believe anything else.

Call me jaded.

Same FO, same coaches, same players, same offense, same defense, same mindset.

I'm sorry but this is just plain dumb.

You admit that this was a weak QB class, yet you'd rather made a reach for a guy that won't be ready to be a successful NFL QB anytime soon (if ever) and waste two to three years of your best players careers, in order to fulfill some mantra?

That is utterly ridiculous.

The 2013 Chiefs didn't pass on Ryan Tannehill or RGIII or Andrew Luck. They didn't pass on Cam Newton or Sam Bradford or Matthew Stafford or Matt Ryan. They passed on guys with serious questions that will require serious development before they have any business stepping on a football field.

Your "logic" is completely flawed.

But who needs a franchise QB, right?