Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9844343)

You're exactly right. They're not doing shit for us right now and that's fine. Trade Baldwin and Moeaki to Baltimore and it's fine by me even if it results in the same scenario as I posted before with one becoming a probowler and the other a solid starter that earns acclaim for his production.

It's not okay if it's a trade to New England that already is a favorite son in the league -just the same as if it were Denver or Dallas or whoever has been in the spotlight in the last decade or so. Why? Because the deck is already stacked against Kansas City as it is. Dealing away pieces as is being discussed only serves to cement the status that the Chiefs (and, for the sake of the argument, the Royals) are nothing more than farm teams that only exist to harbor young and unpolished talent for successful teams to cash in on later.

****. That.

Of course the NFL is different than baseball on almost every level. But that doesn't change people's perceptions. If the Chiefs start dealing players like Moeaki and Baldwin for draft picks to "elite" franchises then it implies they have no concerted drive to be contenders in the league and serve only as a proving ground for winning teams just to kick the can down the road and hope to contend with a roster of youthful prospects.

And no, this is not an impassioned defense of either player in this scenario. Moeaki is exactly what we know he is in that he's a probably useful player with nagging injury concerns and Baldwin is an underachieving physical specimen. Trade both of them to Arizona for second rounders in the next two drafts. But the possible negatives of having either one of these guys become stars on an established franchise outweigh any positive that results from them being dealt.

TL;DR trading them to a team like New England, Pittsburgh or Green Bay is as unadvisable as trading them to a team in the division.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9844610)

I'm going to laugh when Eric Fisher is a giant bust

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9844610)

I'm going to laugh when Eric Fisher is a giant bust

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9844600)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Ugly sequence from Alex Smith. Fisher has a long way to go still. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Chiefs&amp;src=hash">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; TJ Carpenter (@TJCarpenterWHB) <a href="https://twitter.com/TJCarpenterWHB/statuses/362219426206072832">July 30, 2013</a></blockquote>
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this is just peachy

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9844614)

I don't think he'll bust. I think he'll take the usual 3 years to "get there". And if the average for "getting there" is 3 or more years, why do the Lil' Chiefy's get all excited about taking a lineman high, when he can't make an immediate impact?

Dumb Lil' Chiefy; go sit in the ****ing corner and drool on yourself.

Originally Posted by rico (Post 9844638)

AWWNAWWWW

Jason Madson ‏@Jason_Madson now

Hemingway just dropped a pass with nobody around. Would've been big gain. #ChiefsCamp

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9844596)

Yeah they are in the OP...but if you just wanna see how Bray has done:

Nick Jacobs‏@Jacobs717m
Tyler Bray on the money to Josh Bellamy on the slant. Bellamy drops the ball. #Chiefs

Nick Jacobs‏@Jacobs716m
Pressure coming from Tyler Bray's left side. Stands tall in the pocket and checks down to Shaun Draughn for solid gain. #Chiefs

Reid Ferrin‏@KCChiefs_Reid6m
Time for threes, Bray is in, dump off to Draughn, then a later tuck and run

Nick Jacobs‏@Jacobs715m
Bray sees the pressure from left side. Adjust to hot route. Throws back shoulder for Jamar Newsome. Good adjustment by Newsome. Drops ball.

Reid Ferrin‏@KCChiefs_Reid5m
Bray to Josh Bellamy inside, then Tyler Shoemaker on the left, short gain

Bray had made noticeable improvement in a short time. Not caught, but had a nice back shoulder throw. #Chiefs

Nick Jacobs‏@Jacobs713m
In the Redzone. Bray feels pressure to the left. Good job steeping up into the pocket. Throws a dart barely over throws Demetrius Harris.

Nick Jacobs‏@Jacobs712m
Next play, Bray throws a dart to Tyler Shoemaker in the end zone. Greg Castillo strips the ball. #Chiefs

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9844652)

Reid Ferrin‏@KCChiefs_Reid28s
Bray to Demetrius Harris on two straight plays

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9844610)

I'm going to laugh when Eric Fisher is a giant bust

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9844659)

TJ Carpenter‏@TJCarpenterWHB33s
Oddly enough, my problems with Chase Daniel have nothing to do with size or arm strength. He botches snaps and takes too many gambles.


Daniels fighting for title of the worst QB on the roster...Stanzi is in trouble.

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9844661)

Is Barry Richardson still starting RT for the Lambs? If so what if he does better job to protect Sam Bradford than Eric Fisher does protecting Alex Smith?

Originally Posted by rico (Post 9844650)

Jason Madson &rlm;@Jason_Madson now

Jerrell Powe is dominating in this drill. #ChiefsCamp

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9844659)

TJ Carpenter‏@TJCarpenterWHB33s
Oddly enough, my problems with Chase Daniel have nothing to do with size or arm strength. He botches snaps and takes too many gambles.


Daniels fighting for title of the worst QB on the roster...Stanzi is in trouble.

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9844665)

We know its not the spelling bee

Originally Posted by rico (Post 9844650)

Jason Madson ‏@Jason_Madson now

Jerrell Powe is dominating in this drill. #ChiefsCamp

Originally Posted by rico (Post 9844660)

Jason Madson ‏@Jason_Madson now

Branden Albert and Eric Fisher with back to back impressive reps, vs Hali and TJax. #ChiefsCamp
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TJ Carpenter ‏@TJCarpenterWHB now

Oddly enough, my problems with Chase Daniel have nothing to do with size or arm strength. He botches snaps and takes too many gambles.

Originally Posted by rico (Post 9844684)

Reid Ferrin ‏@KCChiefs_Reid now

Alex to Bowe and Hemingway, before Sean Smith nearly picks one off
Jason Madson ‏@Jason_Madson now

Miguel Chavis is a mean, strong man. Just drove Jeff Allen back with ease. #ChiefsCamp

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9844691)

Who was it who was talking about Miguel Chavis? How he's this massive ****ing beast man?

I would love it if he could be that dominating son of a bitch on our defensive line that wrecks the other team's shit every play

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9841710)

**** it. Where do I sign up to be gay for Bray?

The dude needs to be the QB2 starting this season. Get rid of both buttchin and Stanzi, and find some half-dead veteran in the ditch to be our QB3.

Draft another guy in 2014, open competition in camp, and let the good times roll. Hopefully Bray or the rookie beat out Alice and we can actually move on as a franchise.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9844737)

It sounds like this camp may be more competitive than what previous camps have sounded like.

Cant wait to see them against another team though.

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 9844011)

hmmm

6 pro-bowlers
1st round QB who was a special teams play away from a Super Bowl
best RB in the league
2 of the top pass rushers in the league
one of the best MLB's in the league
one of the best CB's in the league
one of the best WR's in the league
and a coach with a history of success including a SB appearance


Yep..nothing to be excited about here

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9844022)

The two passrushers and MLB are part of the 6 Pro Bowlers.

Also, will you still be excited when the Chiefs perform as admirably as any of the Missouri Tiger teams or the Royals? Or will you go into rage mode like you do when they all come up short?

Because the Chiefs will come up short. You know this, right?

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9844343)

You're exactly right. They're not doing shit for us right now and that's fine. Trade Baldwin and Moeaki to Baltimore and it's fine by me even if it results in the same scenario as I posted befo with one becoming a probowler and the other a solid starter that earns acclaim for his production.

It's not okay if it's a trade to New England that already is a favorite son in the league -just the same as if it were Denver or Dallas or whoever has been in the spotlight in the last decade or so. Why? Because the deck is already stacked against Kansas City as it is. Dealing away pieces as is being discussed only serves to cement the status that the Chiefs (and, for the sake of the argument, the Royals) are nothing more than farm teams that only exist to harbor young and unpolished talent for successful teams to cash in on later.

****. That.

Of course the NFL is different than baseball on almost every level. But that doesn't change people's perceptions. If the Chiefs start dealing players like Moeaki and Baldwin for draft picks to "elite" franchises then it implies they have no concerted drive to be contenders in the league and serve only as a proving ground for winning teams just to kick the can down the road and hope to contend with a roster of youthful prospects.

And no, this is not an impassioned defense of either player in this scenario. Moeaki is exactly what we know he is in that he's a probably useful player with nagging injury concerns and Baldwin is an underachieving physical specimen. Trade both of them to Arizona for second rounders in the next two drafts. But the possible negatives of having either one of these guys become stars on an established franchise outweigh any positive that results from them being dealt.

TL;DR trading them to a team like New England, Pittsburgh or Green Bay is as unadvisable as trading them to a team in the division.

Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 9844786)

Apparently Geno Smith is killing it at Jets camp.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9844629)

Could it be that he was the wrong ****ing pick, then?

We were told Best Player Available by Marcellus and all these other dweebazoids. It's like they learned nothing from the Tyson Jackson experiment. When you take a low-impact position player that high, the stakes and the expectations for immediate greatness are way too goddamn high. Almost nobody can match those expectations.

It's still training camp, but training camp doesn't last very long. Soon it will be the regular season, and that's when every mistake made by our #1 overall RT pick is going to make this franchise look bad. REALLY REALLY ****ing bad.