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BigCatDaddy 01-18-2014 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10376760)
Not once did I EVER saying anything about the color of his skin. That is all on you. My comments have nothing to do with the color of his skin.

You are reading way too much into it and applying your own personal bias to it.


Are you AJ McCarron's mom?

BossChief 01-18-2014 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10376480)
Thats great but he looks like, acts like, speaks like, and dresses like a thug in interviews and other things. Sorry but thats my perception of him.

Happy he is charitable but when he finally starts acting like the leader of a team and presenting himself as such I might change my mind on him.

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10376510)
Sorry, but I expect a team QB to dress respectable. i.e. Brady, Manning, Smith, Rodgers, etc.

that backwards hat and speaking yo yo last week pushed him over the edge for me.

so guess what, YOU get over it.

My apologies.

Mav 01-18-2014 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10376719)
Kaepernick is still struggling with reads, and he clearly missed Crabtree.

But at the end of the day, he makes big plays and leads his team to wins.

He does look like a thug, but what matters most is who he is, not what he looks like.

Not arguing with any of that. What always bothered me with him was presnap reads, touch, and accuracy. This are still huge issues for him.

And to the missing Crabtree thing. That's a given. Every qb has their security blanket. Alex Smith missed his this year too. That's why the chiefs need to find him a dominant te. Ebron or jace would be nice.

Mav 01-18-2014 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10376734)
So, basically you don't like him because he is black?

I'm having a hard time finding anything besides that in the reasons you're giving.

He's mulatto. Not black.

Mav 01-18-2014 04:26 PM

His mother is white lol

greatgooglymoogly 01-18-2014 04:28 PM

Smith is either worse than Croyle or better than Montana in his prime. I can't decide. :hmmm:

Tribal Warfare 01-18-2014 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10376440)
cracks me up that we are comparing Smith to Young now. LMAO

Yep, some have truly jumped the mother****in shark. Alex is a Future HOFer!!!!!!!!!!!

Mav 01-18-2014 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 10377081)
Yep, some have truly jumped the mother****in shark. Alex is a Future HOFer!!!!!!!!!!!

Just ask Andy Reid, and Doug Pederson. ROFL

Namor40 01-18-2014 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10376629)
He has been a winner at quarterback for the Niners and has found himself in exactly zero trouble while in the league. His team responds to his leadership, and he helps out in his community. We need more thugs like that in the world.

Kerry Collins looked and dressed the part of a starting NFL quarterback, and was a womanizing drunk early in his career. Or how about Roethlisberger? He looks like a stand up respectable white boy quarterback, as well. Would you place more respect on one of those guys because they look the part and don't say "yo" in interviews?



The funny thing is, Kaepernick is about as genuine as it gets, he doesn't give a **** about what people think of him. I don't have an issue with how he dresses, when people talk about how "classy" Wilson is, that's just code word for "he acts and talks like a white guy and we can deal with a black QB who is that way."



The firestorm about what Kaepernick wore to the press conference after the Panthers game? I was reading this week, he wore those clothes after having them sent to him by a 13 year old fashion designer. He basically made that kid's year by showing up in a nationally televised event wearing his gear. I actually thought that was pretty cool.


http://images.thepostgame.com/sites/...unginlarge.jpg



"Jeremiah didn't hear back from Kaepernick and had no idea whether the quarterback had received the package. That made this weekend all the more satisfying for Jeremiah and his family. In the aftermath of Kaepernick wearing his vest Jeremiah says he received more than 200 text messages along with numerous pats on the back in the hallways of school. "



http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/styl...ts-his-apparel





I have no issue with him being himself rather than another PR-manipulated stiff up there. By all accounts, Luck, Wilson, Kaepernick, Newton, all these young QB's are good guys, good locker room guys, good leaders in their own right. You don't hear about them getting into any sort of trouble or having clashes with their coaches or teammates. They are all hard workers and the future of the NFL at the QB position along with Bridgewater and some of the others coming out in the near future such as Winston, Hundley...etc.

ThaVirus 01-18-2014 06:38 PM

Wow. What a thug. He obviously robbed that boy of those clothes at gun point.

You know.. Because he has tattoos.

Namor40 01-18-2014 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10377414)
Wow. What a thug. He obviously robbed that boy of those clothes at gun point.

You know.. Because he has tattoos.




It is true though, when people talk about wanting their QB to act like some others, to not have tattoo's, etc, what they are saying is "I want my QB to be white, or at least to act white." That is basically what it comes down to, whether they intend it that way or not.

Besides the kicker and punter, it's one of the last traditional white positions, so anytime someone acts different and upsets the status quo, people get irritated by it.


God forbid you have a QB that is an individual and isn't a cardboard cutout of all the rest. It's the same attitude as with McCarron's mom mocking Jameis Winston after the BCS Championship Game.


QB's are supposed to be white and if they aren't, they are supposed to act white, talk white and look as white as possible. They need to be clean cut, if they have actual personalities, they need to push them down below the surface, they need to suck up to the media and be good soldiers all the time.

When they don't fit into a narrow, preconceived notion of what a QB is supposed to look or act like, people lose their damn minds.

laughsatyou907 01-18-2014 07:17 PM

He doesn't look like a thug, he looks like a clown. He dresses like a 12 year old trying too hard.

Mav 01-18-2014 07:36 PM

No. People dislike kap because he is a pompous ass clown who kisses his biceps and mocks other players. Oh and in the off-season he supports other nfl teams gear and acts like a tool on Twitter when called or for it. And lastly he is just not that good.

Brock 01-18-2014 07:45 PM

Those people are really going to hate seeing him in the super bowl AGAIN.

Namor40 01-18-2014 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10377499)
No. People dislike kap because he is a pompous ass clown who kisses his biceps and mocks other players. Oh and in the off-season he supports other nfl teams gear and acts like a tool on Twitter when called or for it. And lastly he is just not that good.

He's won 3 or 4 games on the road in the playoffs, if that isn't good, then I don't know what is. Every now and then a game manager type like a Dilfer or a Brad Johnson makes it into the Superbowl because their team catches fire and wins in spite of them. Nobody does that twice, he's a guy who has carried that team in the playoffs, two years in a row now. People may not like him, nobody doubts his talent though. If he does well against Seattle, not sure how people can argue against him.

BossChief 01-18-2014 07:55 PM

Kaepernick has been in the superbowl both years he has played...but he's not that good.

BigCatDaddy 01-18-2014 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Namor40 (Post 10377454)
It is true though, when people talk about wanting their QB to act like some others, to not have tattoo's, etc, what they are saying is "I want my QB to be white, or at least to act white." That is basically what it comes down to, whether they intend it that way or not.

Besides the kicker and punter, it's one of the last traditional white positions, so anytime someone acts different and upsets the status quo, people get irritated by it.


God forbid you have a QB that is an individual and isn't a cardboard cutout of all the rest. It's the same attitude as with McCarron's mom mocking Jameis Winston after the BCS Championship Game.


QB's are supposed to be white and if they aren't, they are supposed to act white, talk white and look as white as possible. They need to be clean cut, if they have actual personalities, they need to push them down below the surface, they need to suck up to the media and be good soldiers all the time.

When they don't fit into a narrow, preconceived notion of what a QB is supposed to look or act like, people lose their damn minds.

Truff.

Red Dawg 01-18-2014 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10377542)
Kaepernick has been in the superbowl both years he has played...but he's not that good.

They also run the ball the most and have the best defense. When they went to the air a lot in the beginning if the year they started losing. They are forced to run a lot to make up for lack of Kaps passing skills.

Messier 01-18-2014 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10377542)
Kaepernick has been in the superbowl both years he has played...but he's not that good.

He has? Someone better tell the Seahawks not to bother.

Marcellus 01-18-2014 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10377542)
Kaepernick has been in the superbowl both years he has played...but he's not that good.

What?

BigCatDaddy 01-18-2014 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 10377611)
He has? Someone better tell the Seahawks not to bother.

I hope so. If Denver wins I think the 9ers are the much tougher match up for them.

Marcellus 01-18-2014 09:29 PM

BTW Kap can be the next Jim Kelly for all I care. Still don't like the dude.

Just because a tool like him or Joe Flacco wins or loses a SB I don't have to like them. And that has Jack and shit to do with Alex Smith. I ****ing hate Rivers too. Has nothing to do with our QB.

I just don't like who I don't like.

Messier 01-18-2014 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10377618)
I hope so. If Denver wins I think the 9ers are the much tougher match up for them.

I disagree.

ThaVirus 01-18-2014 09:50 PM

Denver would have their hands full with either NFC team.

BigCatDaddy 01-18-2014 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 10377623)
I disagree.

It's a tough matchup either way, but I feel the 9ers play a little better away from home than Seattle. Hopefully it doesn't matter and the Patriots are in it.

JakeLV 01-18-2014 10:13 PM

Kaepernick's been successful and puts himself in the spot light and draws attention to himself.

He deserves all of the bashing and praise he gets because of it.

-King- 01-18-2014 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Namor40 (Post 10377351)
The funny thing is, Kaepernick is about as genuine as it gets, he doesn't give a **** about what people think of him. I don't have an issue with how he dresses, when people talk about how "classy" Wilson is, that's just code word for "he acts and talks like a white guy and we can deal with a black QB who is that way."

Yep.

BossChief 01-18-2014 10:46 PM

Oops. I meant championship game.

splatbass 01-18-2014 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10376679)

No one in their right mind would take Alex Smith over Kaepernick.

Right now Alex Smith is the better QB. That may change as Kaep gets some experience, but right now I'd take Smith over him.

BossChief 01-18-2014 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 10377763)
Right now Alex Smith is the better QB. That may change as Kaep gets some experience, but right now I'd take Smith over him.

This is the feeling of probably 80% of this teams fanbase and its always been that way. That's why they never try to draft/play their quarterback.

The fanbase would rather perennially go 9-7 than have a couple of 5-11/7-9 years while developing their own quarterback.

I like Alex Smith, but the dude is about to turn 30 and because of that the window to win it all with him isn't as big as if you draft a kid at 21 and develop him for a couple years.

splatbass 01-18-2014 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10377775)
This is the feeling of probably 80% of this teams fanbase and its always been that way. That's why they never try to draft/play their quarterback.

The fanbase would rather perennially go 9-7 than have a couple of 5-11/7-9 years while developing their own quarterback.

I like Alex Smith, but the dude is about to turn 30 and because of that the window to win it all with him isn't as big as if you draft a kid at 21 and develop him for a couple years.

30 is not that old. Manning is the best QB in the league at 37 and could play in the SB this year, so I think the window to win it all is bigger than you think.

I stand by what I said. Alex Smith is the better QB right now.

Oh, and by the way - we went 11-5 this year, not 9-7. Dumbass. Hyperbole doesn't help your case.

Mav 01-18-2014 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Namor40 (Post 10377529)
He's won 3 or 4 games on the road in the playoffs, if that isn't good, then I don't know what is. Every now and then a game manager type like a Dilfer or a Brad Johnson makes it into the Superbowl because their team catches fire and wins in spite of them. Nobody does that twice, he's a guy who has carried that team in the playoffs, two years in a row now. People may not like him, nobody doubts his talent though. If he does well against Seattle, not sure how people can argue against him.

You believe that kap is the reason they are where they are this year? Funny I thought it was the run game and defense. A nice scramble against gb for sure. But he's not caring them. Not at all.

Mav 01-18-2014 11:37 PM

Kap is almost 26. He's not that young. He's no better now than he was last year. The eye test and stats back that up. You dint just magically get more accurate.

JakeLV 01-18-2014 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10377775)
This is the feeling of probably 80% of this teams fanbase and its always been that way. That's why they never try to draft/play their quarterback.

The fanbase would rather perennially go 9-7 than have a couple of 5-11/7-9 years while developing their own quarterback.

I like Alex Smith, but the dude is about to turn 30 and because of that the window to win it all with him isn't as big as if you draft a kid at 21 and develop him for a couple years.

I disagree.

I think that they would willingly give up a season if it means getting a legit QBOTF.

But being genuinely competitive is something fans would trade a lot for too, and that doesn't speak to the fanbase, so much as the franchise.

ShortRoundChief 01-19-2014 12:04 AM

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BossChief 01-19-2014 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeLV (Post 10377800)
I disagree.

I think that they would willingly give up a season if it means getting a legit QBOTF.

But being genuinely competitive is something fans would trade a lot for too, and that doesn't speak to the fanbase, so much as the franchise.

This franchise has historically chosen the safe vet over drafting/developing their own guy.

Trent over Brees
Trent/Huard over Aaron Rodgers
Dorsey/Albert over Flacco...because we had, you know Damon Huard and Brodie Croyle
Cassel/Jackson over anyone from 2009

Hopefully, Alex is the one that makes all that fail forgotten...

splatbass 01-19-2014 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10377822)
This franchise has historically chosen the safe vet over drafting/developing their own guy.

Trent over Brees
Trent/Huard over Aaron Rodgers
Dorsey/Albert over Flacco...because we had, you know Damon Huard and Brodie Croyle
Cassel/Jackson over anyone from 2009

Hopefully, Alex is the one that makes all that fail forgotten...

There was no one in the draft that will likely ever be better than Alex Smith is right now, and most likely will never be as good. Alex Smith was the best available at the time, and he is the best for the team for the next couple of years. Drafting a QB just to draft a QB is dumb.

If they can find a possible QBotF in the draft they should take him, but that in no way makes Alex Smith a bad choice for this team.

JakeLV 01-19-2014 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10377822)
This franchise has historically chosen the safe vet over drafting/developing their own guy.

Trent over Brees
Trent/Huard over Aaron Rodgers
Dorsey/Albert over Flacco...because we had, you know Damon Huard and Brodie Croyle
Cassel/Jackson over anyone from 2009

Hopefully, Alex is the one that makes all that fail forgotten...

I agree. And the safe vet is what leads to all the mediocrity. Nobody around here would argue that point.

But I also think (and maybe its the KoolAid) that maybe that the sun shines on even a dog's ass. Smith played at a high level at the end of the season. Stats say he's gotten better each of the last three seasons.

I'm like a battered girlfriend I guess. I keep thinking the Chiefs have changed. They finally got one they can win with.

He'll never be a world beater, but he's playing at a level only 12-15 other people in the entire world are capable of.

Each generation only has 2 to 3 truely elite QBs. Luck is one of them, so there are only 1 to 2 possible left out there... but luckily for us, the aren't the only ones to win the whole thing each year.

tk13 01-19-2014 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeLV (Post 10377853)
I agree. And the safe vet is what leads to all the mediocrity. Nobody around here would argue that point.

But I also think (and maybe its the KoolAid) that maybe that the sun shines on even a dog's ass. Smith played at a high level at the end of the season. Stats say he's gotten better each of the last three seasons.

I'm like a battered girlfriend I guess. I keep thinking the Chiefs have changed. They finally got one they can win with.

He'll never be a world beater, but he's playing at a level only 12-15 other people in the entire world are capable of.

Each generation only has 2 to 3 truely elite QBs. Luck is one of them, so there are only 1 to 2 possible left out there... but luckily for us, the aren't the only ones to win the whole thing each year.

We don't know yet. They've only had one year. It's obvious they did not like this year's draft class. And to be fair, this QB class has failed to impress to this point.

Dorsey and Reid both have a history of being aggressive with the QB position. Really they were aggressive this year... they replaced all three QBs on the roster, not sure many other teams did that. They just didn't bring in the ones people wanted.

Jimmya 01-19-2014 09:12 AM

Insanity.....doing the same thing over & over while expecting different results. Chiefs got 49ers sloppy seconds and 49ers are playing to go to the Superbowl.

Messier 01-19-2014 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmya (Post 10378014)
Insanity.....doing the same thing over & over while expecting different results. Chiefs got 49ers sloppy seconds and 49ers are playing to go to the Superbowl.

What does Reid have to do with Pioli or Peterson or any former regime?

So, instead of Smith, what QB plan would've worked better?

And, finally, the 49ers are up and running. They were really good last year and the year before. You upset the Chiefs didn't go from 2-14 to a SB team?

OldSchool 01-19-2014 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 10378076)
What does Reid have to do with Pioli or Peterson or any former regime?

So, instead of Smith, what QB plan would've worked better?

And, finally, the 49ers are up and running. They were really good last year and the year before. You upset the Chiefs didn't go from 2-14 to a SB team?

Yup, Niners are winning because they have a great team. A true top 2 defense in the league, no one is better than them and Seattle. Their OL can block anybody and knock any DL out of the park in run blocking. They have one of the deepest RB stables in the NFL. Their only issue is their mediocre passing game, should be getting a lot more production than they do with Kaepernick who can't make reads and tends to freeze up whenever his first read is taken away. They would honestly be more deadly with Alex Smith qbing them; he would actually get the ball to his receivers more than Kaep does. Definitely utilize Vernon Davis a lot more as well.

Messier 01-19-2014 10:29 AM

I don't argue Kaepernick is really talented. He's more athletically gifted than Smith, stronger arm, faster, but I think Smith is a better decision maker. I don't think the 49ers would be a worse team with Smith at QB.

Jimmya 01-19-2014 10:45 AM

Awes5....you guys actually think you're smarter than 49ers coaches and upper management. Wow

Cmd'r&Chief 01-19-2014 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10376440)
cracks me up that we are comparing Smith to Young now. LMAO

He's no Young. But he surprised the shit out of me towards the end of the season. He's worth extending for a few years.

philfree 01-19-2014 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10377775)
This is the feeling of probably 80% of this teams fanbase and its always been that way. That's why they never try to draft/play their quarterback.
The fanbase would rather perennially go 9-7 than have a couple of 5-11/7-9 years while developing their own quarterback.

I like Alex Smith, but the dude is about to turn 30 and because of that the window to win it all with him isn't as big as if you draft a kid at 21 and develop him for a couple years.

The fan base doesn't do the drafting.

As part of the fan base I want to win it all and I don't want to ever have a losing record either.

Cmd'r&Chief 01-19-2014 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 10376479)
Anyone saying Smith needs to be extended is saying they think Smith can take us to the Super Bowl. Otherwise why would you extend him? You don't extend him to make us average or competitive.

I think he could. Unfortunately it defense has to show up as well

Messier 01-19-2014 11:03 AM

I think the 49ers had two good QBs. JH made a decision, and no one can say it was a bad one. It worked out well.

You seem to think you know more than the Chiefs FO. Who would've been the Chiefs QB this year had you made the call?

Marcellus 01-19-2014 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier;10378076[B
]What does Reid have to do with Pioli or Peterson or any former regime?

So, instead of Smith, what QB plan would've worked better?[/b]

And, finally, the 49ers are up and running. They were really good last year and the year before. You upset the Chiefs didn't go from 2-14 to a SB team?

You are spinning your wheels on this. We have people here that believe Clark as told Reid and Dorsey they aren't allowed to draft a QB in the 1sr round regardless. They believe if we had the #1 pick in 2012 we wouldn't have drafted Luck.

You cant have logical debate with people that truly believe ridiculous shit like that.

ViperVisor 01-19-2014 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 10378125)
I think the 49ers had two good QBs. JH made a decision, and no one can say it was a bad one. It worked out well.

You seem to think you know more than the Chiefs FO. Who would've been the Chiefs QB this year had you made the call?

The trade and moving on I have no problem with. You have to choose A or B in the salary cap era.

The call mid season switch I have a problem with. 'Hot hand BS'. After 1 great, 1 meh, 1 bad game.
Harbuagh got lucky Kaep didn't come back to earth until year 2.

He was desperate because the defense was falling back from great to good.
It was a panic move.

This year he is lucky the Defense bounced back to being Great to hide the under 200 YPG the 49ers have been since week 2.

Mav 01-19-2014 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ViperVisor (Post 10378156)
The trade and moving on I have a problem. You have to choose A or B in the salary cap era.

The call mid season I have a problem with. 'Hot hand BS'.
Harbuagh got lucky Kaep didn't come back to earth until year 2.

He was desperate because the defense was falling back from great to good.
It was a panic move.

This year he is lucky the Defense bounced back to being Great to hide the under 200 YPG the 49ers have been since week 2.

The luck runs out today. Kap gets exposed in front of the world. That's my prediction.

splatbass 01-19-2014 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmya (Post 10378108)
Awes5....you guys actually think you're smarter than 49ers coaches and upper management. Wow

Did you watch the 49ers this year? They didn't start playing well until they started using Kaep the way they used Smith, a game manager. Smith would likely do better right now with the 49ers because he can read defenses. That isn't saying Kaep isn't good or won't be a better QB in the future.

Ragged Robin 01-19-2014 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmya (Post 10378108)
Awes5....you guys actually think you're smarter than 49ers coaches and upper management. Wow

There's a reason why they threw less than any other team in the league.

-King- 01-19-2014 05:08 PM

Wonder what Tribal Warfare has to say about Brady not being able to overcome the Patriots bad defense.

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-19-2014 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10379375)
Wonder what Tribal Warfare has to say about Brady not being able to overcome the Patriots bad defense.

Or Brady and his 5 over throws.

O.city 01-20-2014 08:11 PM

BJ Kissel ‏@bkissel7 2m
At dinner with @nfldraftscout, @Schottey & @Danit0703 as #Chiefs GM John Dorsey sits down with crew & Tom Condon.

BJ Kissel ‏@bkissel7 3m
Condon represents Alex Smith, fwiw.

BigMeatballDave 01-20-2014 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10379375)
Wonder what Tribal Warfare has to say about Brady not being able to overcome the Patriots bad defense.

If he said herp derp, it would be his most intelligent post.

temper11 01-20-2014 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Namor40 (Post 10377529)
He's won 3 or 4 games on the road in the playoffs, if that isn't good, then I don't know what is. Every now and then a game manager type like a Dilfer or a Brad Johnson makes it into the Superbowl because their team catches fire and wins in spite of them. Nobody does that twice, he's a guy who has carried that team in the playoffs, two years in a row now. People may not like him, nobody doubts his talent though. If he does well against Seattle, not sure how people can argue against him.

Keep has played well in the playoffs, but to say that he has carried that team is a big stretch. That team is stacked... they really have no weaknesses.

temper11 01-20-2014 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10377542)
Kaepernick has been in the superbowl both years he has played...but he's not that good.

Nfcc both years, not the super bowl.

temper11 01-20-2014 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10377775)
This is the feeling of probably 80% of this teams fanbase and its always been that way. That's why they never try to draft/play their quarterback.

The fanbase would rather perennially go 9-7 than have a couple of 5-11/7-9 years while developing their own quarterback.

I like Alex Smith, but the dude is about to turn 30 and because of that the window to win it all with him isn't as big as if you draft a kid at 21 and develop him for a couple years.

Who better to develop him than Alex Smith? He's as smart a QB you could ask for to mentor your fresh out of college QB.

BossChief 01-20-2014 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10383631)
BJ Kissel ‏@bkissel7 2m
At dinner with @nfldraftscout, @Schottey & @Danit0703 as #Chiefs GM John Dorsey sits down with crew & Tom Condon.

BJ Kissel ‏@bkissel7 3m
Condon represents Alex Smith, fwiw.

You know who else Tom Condon represents?

Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Drew Brees and Tony Romo.

Prepare for the worst, gentlemen.

BossChief 01-20-2014 09:22 PM

I bet Alex Smith gets MORE than those guys, too.

Just watch.

O.city 01-20-2014 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10383862)
I bet Alex Smith gets MORE than those guys, too.

Just watch.

More than Brees?

If so, we got fleeced.

BossChief 01-20-2014 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10383868)
More than Brees?

If so, we got fleeced.

here are the other deals he worked for his clients for other teams.

Matt Ryan got 6/114 with 59 guaranteed
Tony Romo got 7/119 55 guaranteed
Stafford got 5/76 41 guaranteed
Brees got 5 years 100 million with 40 guaranteed

The Bad Guy 01-20-2014 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10383862)
I bet Alex Smith gets MORE than those guys, too.

Just watch.

The difference is, those guys get to the open market, they are commanding that from other teams.

Smith isn't getting 17 million on average from another team.

O.city 01-20-2014 09:46 PM

I don't see anyway he gets that much. Or atleast I hope.

Somewhere in the 14-15 range seems about right.

BigCatDaddy 01-20-2014 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10383912)
here are the other deals he worked for his clients for other teams.

Matt Ryan got 6/114 with 59 guaranteed
Tony Romo got 7/119 55 guaranteed
Stafford got 5/76 41 guaranteed
Brees got 5 years 100 million with 40 guaranteed

It he gets that type of jack then I'm personally flying a god damn banner while circling Clark's house.

BossChief 01-20-2014 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10383964)
The difference is, those guys get to the open market, they are commanding that from other teams.

Smith isn't getting 17 million on average from another team.

I bet the Raiders would give it a spin. Maybe even the Rams and a couple other teams would jump in.

The guy has 3 years of winning football in his recent past.

The Raiders have like 60 million in cap space.

BossChief 01-20-2014 10:59 PM

I think he ends up smack dab in between Stafford and Romo.

Mav 01-21-2014 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10378162)
The luck runs out today. Kap gets exposed in front of the world. That's my prediction.

I'm proud of this one.

salame 01-21-2014 05:03 AM

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Marcellus 01-21-2014 07:19 AM

I remember all the threads when Hali, Bowe, Albert, etc...had contract negotiations going on and the general CP consensus was "Who cares about the $ its not mine".

Not to mention the 50 million Clark is cheap comments.

I was never part of the who cares about the $ crowd.

Now everyone is fretting over giving Smith a bunch of $.

Hilarious how the narrative changes here.

htismaqe 01-21-2014 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10384481)
I remember all the threads when Hali, Bowe, Albert, etc...had contract negotiations going on and the general CP consensus was "Who cares about the $ its not mine".

Not to mention the 50 million Clark is cheap comments.

I was never part of the who cares about the $ crowd.

Now everyone is fretting over giving Smith a bunch of $.

Hilarious how the narrative changes here.

ROFL

Selective reading.

OnTheWarpath15 01-21-2014 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10384481)
I remember all the threads when Hali, Bowe, Albert, etc...had contract negotiations going on and the general CP consensus was "Who cares about the $ its not mine".

Not to mention the 50 million Clark is cheap comments.

I was never part of the who cares about the $ crowd.

Now everyone is fretting over giving Smith a bunch of $.

Hilarious how the narrative changes here.

Dude, seriously?

We were upwards of 30M under the cap at some of those times.

I remember a PFT piece that talked about how we had only spent $80M, and how we'd be under the salary floor if it existed that year.

People didn't care about the money because we had a ton of it available to spend. Now we don't - we don't even have the money available to sign our rookie class.

Dorsey is going to have to get very creative and probably make some tough decisions.

ThaVirus 01-21-2014 09:53 AM

Alex is going to get a new deal this offseason worth a shit ton of money and we'll likely have to let some of our best guys go.

I've come to terms with it. You should as well.

Marcellus 01-21-2014 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10384583)
Dude, seriously?

We were upwards of 30M under the cap at some of those times.

I remember a PFT piece that talked about how we had only spent $80M, and how we'd be under the salary floor if it existed that year.

People didn't care about the money because we had a ton of it available to spend. Now we don't - we don't even have the money available to sign our rookie class.

Dorsey is going to have to get very creative and probably make some tough decisions.

The point that seems to be flying over everyone's head is, you never ever say "who gives a shit about the $, pay the guy". Which was a very popular sentiment here not long ago.

It matters, even if at that time you are $30MM under the cap. Now look at the crossroads we are at.

As I stated I was never part of the just pay the man crowd and I am not part of it now. The contract needs to be very reasonable.

Tribal Warfare 01-21-2014 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10384626)
Alex is going to get a new deal this offseason worth a shit ton of money and we'll likely have to let some of our best guys go.

I've come to terms with it. You should as well.

If we do he better play like a Franchise QB who can carry this team, because "good enough" will **** his shit up.

OnTheWarpath15 01-21-2014 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10384645)
The point that seems to be flying over everyone's head is, you never ever say "who gives a shit about the $, pay the guy". Which was a very popular sentiment here not long ago.

It matters, even if at that time you are $30MM under the cap. Now look at the crossroads we are at.

As I stated I was never part of the just pay the man crowd and I am not part of it now. The contract needs to be very reasonable.

I agree with your overall point, however I don't think any of the contracts Pioli handed out have hurt us.

What's hurting us, IMO is that we haven't drafted worth a shit, so we don't have a lot of players that contribute that are still on their first (and inexpensive) contract.

If we don't start drafting better, this is likely going to be a problem for a while - or, we're going to have to start letting some good players go.

GloryDayz 01-21-2014 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10384583)
Dude, seriously?

We were upwards of 30M under the cap at some of those times.

I remember a PFT piece that talked about how we had only spent $80M, and how we'd be under the salary floor if it existed that year.

People didn't care about the money because we had a ton of it available to spend. Now we don't - we don't even have the money available to sign our rookie class.

Dorsey is going to have to get very creative and probably make some tough decisions.

Stadium upgrade costs self-reimbursement I think.

O.city 01-21-2014 10:27 AM

I think were a little too worried about the cap right now. Someone made a good acknowledgement that we are close to the cap top, but pretty far below the cash cap.

I'd imagine we restructure some thing moving cap to cash to open some stuff up.


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