yes

Little of column a, little of column b. Every objective observer though thinks the Chiefs gave up too much. Does that not worry you at all?

Guys, guys, guys. There a plenty of reasons to be skeptical about this trade. You don't need to make shit up.

Heh.

Did it worry you when they said that on the Patrick Mahomes trade?

You can argue compensation if you like, but everything you said in your post was wrong.

I feel like Luke Skywalker right now.

"Amazing. Every single thing you just said was wrong."

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/...-season-at-60/

Do you literally know nothing about the player?

I just want to watch Clark be our Tamba+ for the next 5 years. I'm not gonna get too bent outta shape about the picks or the pay. This is a win-now move and we all know Veach isn't some master negotiator by this point.

So it's a 'bad' thing he had an elite season while playing with bum elbows?

Kermit the Frog said it first.

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So we should expect 40% more production this year since he is healthy?

How many games did he miss?

ROFL

Just stop.

Jesus christ man, just take the ****ing L

We gave up way too much.

Well, my goodness, if he racked up 13 sacks at 60%, what might he do at 100%?

Are you very familiar with football? See, most guys play with nagging injuries all the time.

Clark plays every week. With very few exceptions. And if you look at his 2018 highlight reel, then his 60% is pretty ****ing astounding.

compare with Ford's....uh...attendance record.

The guy's a beast. It's been posted and reposted, sacks, hurries, QB hits over the last three seasons, and he's neck and neck with Mack.

You can argue you think it was too much to give up, but arguing anything else just makes you look stupid.

If anything, you've raised my opinion of him. Playing through both of your UCLs being torn as a DE is some metal shit.

I don't have access to the medical records but clearly Seattle thought so. People are already spinning it and saying "boy, think about how well he's going to play when he's healthy. he's going to be the GOAT!" I certainly hope that's the case but that's super optimistic, there's just has many guys who have injuries that continue to nag them throughout their careers.

Ive sen some shit arguments before but a guy with the exact same number as Mack to start their careers, playing as a DE no less, who has missed 2 games in his life and put up good numbers when "hurt", has health issues?

Raush if you look at where we improved in the 3rd this year and the 2nd next year, we basically gave up a 2nd and 3rd round pick for Clark. Is that too much?

In a nutshell we gave up a 2nd and a 3rd and turned a low 3rd into a middle 3rd rounder and a likley very late second into a middle second rounder.

LMAO

Soon that Mahomie contract comes due and there won't be any hiding in the comfortable arms of free agency, my man.

Little man better learn how to get his draft licks in NOW while he still has a chance.

Oh who's kidding who? We all know Reid is the guy pulling the strings on draft day anyway.

Mute point. :D

Hell by his standards, the Chiefs would be sitting around huffing bags all day long instead of drafting football players since they all get hurt at some point.

The guy ****ing threw Eric Fisher backwards with two ****ed up elbows my god

Let’s break this down.

The Chiefs would have almost certainly traded away a 2nd round pick to move up on Thursday had this deal not taken place. So that pick was a goner regardless probably.

They swap 3rd rounders and actually go up a bit.

So in a sense, the Chiefs traded up with a 2nd round pick, swapped 3rds, and took Frank Clark (because I think they would have done that Thursday for another player).

That’s not bad at all.

The tendency for human beings to just double down on a losing argument even when confronted with all evidence showing them to be wrong is always astounding.

You know, I'm always more impressed with someone who admits they were wrong than someone who just keeps doubling down.

I don’t have any problem with his play. I don’t like adding another possible problem child off the field.

I know right?! I'm even more on board now.ROFL

Question:

When does "next year" become "this draft" and we actually go in with a full deck and do something resembling competent work?

Seattle didn't feel like they could pay him because of the Russell Wilson contract and needed picks. Have no idea why you feel the need to push the narrative to anything else.

Dude I swear some people on here are never happy about anything. We get a stud, edge rusher who is all of 26 and all people can do is cry about stupid things like how much he is getting paid.

We were going to pay Ford if he stayed. Why not pay this guy?

I don't either. It's a concern.

I'm going to assume we did our due diligence.

You are allowed that concern but he has 4 years with a spotless record and for some odd reason I think they looked into this heavily.

That's ****ing shitload of cap money gone.


This guy better be Bruce ****ing Smith.

I'm not saying he's a bad player or the injury risk is too high. I'm saying the injury risk coupled with the draft compensation and the contract we are going to give him makes the risk incommensurate with what we had to give up. You have to weigh all of the factors when you are evaluating a deal like this.

I'm willing to change my mind as I learn more about the player but as someone who just woke up to hear this news I honestly think it sounds like a lot to give up.

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Anyone who says a guy who missed 2 games in 2 seasons has health issues is a ****ing idiot!

Wait. All I saw was us giving up a 1 and low 2.

What did we get back?

Goddamn you are stupid. Clark counts towards "this years draft" and we gave up 1 pick in this draft to get him.

You are amazingly ****ing stupid.

Hawks and Chiefs swapped 3rd rounders this year.
Chiefs get #84, Hawks get #92

We traded 3rd rounders with them which bumped us 8 spots in the 3rd round.

We keep our highest second rounder next year (we have one from SF which will likely be higher) so if we pick in the back end of the draft again next year which is likely they get that pick which is basically a 3rd. Even if SF kills it and picks late its still damn near 3rd rounder.

Every pick moved has been at the bottom of the round and everything we kept is higher in the round.

A low 1 and we got back a stud edge rusher who actually plays most games and can stop the run

Amazing. I didn't think you could triple down on dumbass, but yet, here you are!

Also keep in mind that Seattle wanted to dump this young talent in his prime...

Don't think 'wanted' is the word I'd use.

As has been pointed out, its about $$$$.

Yeah, his numbers screamed how bad he sucks.....:rolleyes:

New Orleans dumped Roaf too...man were they smart and were we dumb!!!!

Yes. Clark is our first round pick.

We"ll have to revisit this after the 2019 season. It would interesting to know who KC liked at #29 and how their rookie year played out.

If KC hadn't overpaid for Watkins, Chiefs likely lose to the Steelers. That win prevented Pittsburgh from making the play-offs...which led to turmoil and Brown getting traded. It also gave KC HFA in the AFCCG for the first time.

Just those two things made him worth it...and **** it, it isnt my money.

And we moved up 8 spots in the 3rd.

For a low 1st round pick we came out pretty good if you ask me

So our one was this year but the 2 was next years?

Yes....

No matter how you spin it, the Chiefs did not draft Frank Clark. If you can't figure out the difference between a "draft pick" and a "free agency acquisition", then which one of us is amazingly ****ing stupid, Jane?

They just had to give Wilson a huge contract and need to extend Bobby Wagner and Jarran Reed. They don't have the cap space to sign Clark even at the tag number.

LMAO

Hey you ****ing moron Clark wasnt a free agency acquisition. You cant make this shit up.

We didn't sign him as a FA....sorry to have to correct you....

We traded for him

By the way, the "Clark is always injured" crap is the bullshit that the Seahawks fans are pushing over on Reddit to make themselves feel better about having zero pass rushers on their team now. Clark apparently has been playing through nagging injuries during the season - like, you know, every other NFL player.

You forgot we also paid 5 times more money (if not more) over #29

That pick would not have brought us a player of his quality in the draft. Not where we picked...

Money to a 26 year old (in June) player who is proven and we have cap space.

I'm OK on what we gave up, I'm not crazy about $105.5M with $63.5M guaranteed over 5 years.

Getting a guy in his prime ( as long as his elbows are healed ) with a win mode, using our picks for depth and developing players to take Watkins, Kelce,Fisher, Fuller,possibly Hills places over the next 5 years when contracts are coming up. With us having to pay Patrick, we are going to have some quality depth to back up starters and to replace some guys very soon.

I wouldn't be calling someone amazingly stupid when you think a trade is a free agent acquisition.

So a 1 and 3 this year. That’s not that bad.

It’s not my preference but we didn’t get hosed either.

Exactly my point....

That's true. But it's a LOT of money.

What were we going to pay Ford? Or Berry? Or Houston?

We weren't going to pay any of them anything.

AT DE. I meant at DE.

We're going to find out quick if Veach knows what he's doing.

Okay, so what do you think you're going to pay an elite pass rusher?

You are correct. And yet, we still did not draft him.

Maybe you can help me out with this:

All I heard for weeks, no months, was that we needed to draft well and load up on cheap good labor while Mahomes was still cheap because when it was time to pay him, it would be very hard to do that while paying out several large contracts.

Now the plan is to avoid drafting and spend like a drunken sailor on outside acquisitions, basically putting us financially where we were when we started?

CP needs medication of the psychotropic variety very badly it seems.

No, a 1st this year + 3rd swap netting 8 spots for KC. The 2nd is next year but KC kept the SF 2nd from Ford.

Ideally you draft and develop your own so you have cost controlled talent for 4-5 years.

He’s probably thinking what I’m thinking - win a SB this year and no one will give a shit about tomorrow...

Houston and Berry disagree. They are still getting paid by us thanks to the stupid moron Dorsey.

The amount of mental gymnastics cp has done to validate this trades existence LMAO

I'm willing to wager that in an alternate universe where the recipients of both trades were switched, most of CP would be saying the Chiefs took the Seahawks to the cleaners.

Clark is not Macks equivalent. Please stop touting cherry picked stats of 3 seasons. Frank has had 2 seasons of 10 or more sacks, Mack has had 4 straight seasons of it while being the focal point for most offenses. I'm not even going to dive deeper into stats because I shouldn't even have to argue such a stupid ****ing point.

Clark is not bad. He is good, probably in the second tier of rushers in the league. But no matter what you homers say it doesn't change the fact this was a bad negotiation where, when factoring in everything, we get less and they got more. We will lose Hill because of this, a first, and a second. Frank Clark will never be as good as all those things combined, no matter how much bullshit you guys want to feed yourselves.

Today it is. In a few years it's going to be a bargain contract.

A 2 next year is generally valued as equal to a 3 this year...

He punched a bitch during training camp as well in that time span ROFL