Actually I don't give a **** what Keitzman has to say. He is a shock jock who says stupid shit to get people riled up, sports radio 101. Dumb blind homer ****s like you are the ones who take people like him serious.

Take him serious? I’ve lived in Florida my entire life so I don’t even listen to this clown.

****ing idiot.

Except when that "shock" mentality filters over to places like KCTV5...and being unethical is deemed an acceptable practice.

People like him have influence whether you want to admit it or not...and it's all entertainment until it isn't...and star players start getting suspended due to "optics" based on rumor.

Most of the country still think Hill broke his kids arm and want him banned from the NFL...I wonder where they get this idea?

Oh. Another one of those. Thanks for watching out for everyone else's ears!

I really didn’t care whether the guy was fired or not, I just think it’s odd that so many are defending him or act like he was wrongfully fired when he’s clearly a moron and a POS that has attacked Mahomes, Reid, and Hill. He’s not even good at his job.

Why the **** would any Chiefs fan care that this guy was fired?

From a strictly business standpoint...why would CHunt and the Chiefs want to partner with an organization that is actively undermining them? Spreading lies and negative rumors about their product?

There is nothing wrong with objective criticism...but when it veers off into damaging people who work for them...and dragging their personal lives through the mud?

Kietzman was a parasite...he was making money off the success of the Chiefs and being allowed access. He just found out how unimportant he is...

Ok. I don't really have any problem with the Chiefs or Andy Reid being upset and trying to get him fired. I don't have a problem with 810 deciding to fire him for business reasons. My problem is with the mob of people who have no stake other than as a listeners (and in many cases, don't even have that stake), trying to decide for everyone else what we should be able to hear on the radio instead of just managing their own listening choices.

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Supports mob justice...Doesn't support mob justiceYou decide!

~relurks~

You're right. But Kietzman is the sacrificial lamb for the entire media. What they attempted was far more disturbing.

That's life. Don't **** with the Chiefs.

^^^ this man is correct. The Chiefs have been SO ON soft on the media for decades. They are well within their rights to take this entire episode, wad it up in a big old piece of paper, and cram it right up their adversaries arseholes.

I’m guessing she’d probably be breaking a NDA if there was a settlement. I’d be shocked if that wasn’t included.

:shrug: What point do you think you're making?

Actually that was my first post in any of these threads and I don't do social media, so I'm not sure how your post could have been about me. You were protesting against "mob justice" for a person whose entire career seems to have been about inciting it. Just seemed such an odd dichotomy that I misunderstood your motivation. My primary concern is that I don't give a shit what either side does. More interested in the fluidity with which people seem to adjust their moral boundaries so as to judge the actions of others.

I see. For the purpose of my posts in this thread, I consider CP social media. It's just a less efficient form (less reach) than the facebooks and twitters.

I hope you're just explaining your primary concern and not suggesting fluidity on my part.

Were you a fly on the wall to Andy's child rearing I mean come on KK got down in the dirt with something he knows nothing about. People can be great Fathers and still there kids make bad decisions and friends. Free will is a funny thing people will do what they do no matter their upbringing. It wasn't KK business to make assumptions about Andy's family he know 0 about. The calling out players he has given chances was fair game family wasn't you should know better. Even after all the KK could have save his job with a sincere heartfelt honest apology instead he blew it for all of KC to see. He is gone for a good reason.

When a judge describes your home as a drug emporium and your family as "in crisis," and both of them end up in jail you didn't do a lot to succeed as a parent.

Both of them were jailed. One later OD'd during his extra chance, and the other seems to have straightened his life out.

You can make an equally compelling argument that any succeed Britt Reid has had since then was related to his incarceration rather than Andy Reid's parenting. After all, it's not like Andy wasn't giving him extra chances beforehand.

Now the irony here is that Kietzman actually made his case worse by lying, because he was worried about the reaction of others. He was obviously talking about both kids, among the numerous other issues that Reid has had trying to control problem players.

Wow so you know what goes on in both Tyreek AND Andy’s households?

You’re nothing but a judgmental prick. I was wrong when I called King “the worst” this week, because it’s definitely you.

And for every “failure” Reid has he has a success story as well. Just because you either forget or don’t acknowledge the successes like Britt, Kelce, Vick etc. doesn’t mean that they didn’t happen.

Imagine if KK had gone all-in with this instead of denying OR apologizing.

Yeah and Judges haven't had the same shit happen with their children right under their noses.

Went to HS with one of these judges sons. He was the biggest drugger dealer and troublemaker in the school thing shed from him like water off a duck's back. Until finally did not and went to jail for armed bank robbery.

Thank you, I missed it.

When tons of drugs are found in the possession of his children and his kid says he enjoys being a drug dealer I generally have a pretty good idea, because they ****ing told me.

Also, it's rich of you to say that I can't know what happens in the house, but you know that what Reid does leads to the purported "successes". That's a complete contradiction.

So the parents are always to blame in these situations? You don’t know any good people/parents that have kids that do drugs?

I didn’t say what Reid does leads to success necessarily. I’m simply saying that some of these people with issues are successes and some are failures. You can’t use a success as an example of a failure like KK did. And people like you and KK are pretending there are only failures.

One kid doing drugs? Shit happens.

Multiple kids getting arrested and imprisoned for guns and weapons charges? That's a little different.

He has 3 other kids. Were they all supposed to be angels? Are people supposed to be perfect? If it’s simply on them as parents, what happened with the others?

You judge like somebody who has never done anything wrong or made a mistake. Get off your ****ing high horse.

Actually, what I said was that what Kietzman said wasn't necessarily inaccurate. And it wasn't. Reid has a bad track record as a parent, and he has an ignominious history with troubled players, which he's signing not because they had personal issues, but because they have talent that is a good investment because others don't want to touch them.

Notice how it's the Vicks and Tyreek Hills of the world he's taking chances on, rather than back of the roster NFL churn? There's a reason for that, and if it was due to his humanity/charity, you'd see him taking chances on Marcus 3rd String rather than Marcus Peters.

Misplaced aggression. Set your sights on something we can all appreciate like splitting up Google on CNN.

I'll leave that to Trump.

Out of my jurisdiction.

No, you characterize it that way and keep deflecting from the debate at hand because you don't have a salient counterargument.

The issue at hand is the accuracy of Kietzman's comments about Reid's ability to instill discipline, whether in his kids or players.

This is an aside, but I've made plenty of mistakes. However, I also know, as a parent, that the most valuable thing you can give your kids is your time. When you're working 90-hour weeks your kids aren't getting that time, and in many cases, there will be consequences to those decisions.

There was no accuracy to KK’s claims because it’s not his job to “fix” people either way. I’m telling you why, not deflecting.

when you were buzzing on Andy's wall did you have a stop watch on the time Andy spent with his two son's?

Fixing people is difficult. Especially them dang full-grown addict kids and millionaire football stars.

You think you got 'em fixed and "Boom", they break on ya again.

FAX

I'm with you. Apologizing doesn't work.

When Hamas is handing out scripts at the drive through window at cvc I wonder if he lectures parents picking up there kid scripts. How your son is to young to need this you should be spending more time at home with them. Your child has strep throat you should be cleaning and disinfecting you home better.

Why are you so defensive of Andy Reid? Is he related? Do you work so much you never see your kids?

Nope I just dont care for busy bodies. Do you have a family if so would you like Hamas critiquing them?

My kids didn't have an absentee father. All Hamas said was that KK wasn't entirely wrong. He didn't even fully endorse KK's viewpoint.

Traveling this weekend and this is 100% correct. People asking me what are we gonna do without Hill.

We dont know that Coach Reid was an absentee father do we? As for having to travel for work that nothing new for parents you do what you have to do.

Hamas = KK=Judgmental Pricks

8 0f 10 CP'ers =

Of course we do.

On which? As for if its we do know he was absentee who keeps those records? Does someone make note of when family travel with him and how often? Seems to me you are making absolutes of something no one knows but Andy and his immediate family.

sigh

Don't work retail, bro, sorry to burst your bubble. Also, disinfecting your home leads to worsened immune function. Totally awesome comp, though.

Sure we do. There was a massive article by Babb in WaPo about Reid before the AFCCG.

So why were they in the Green Bay Packers’ offices again at midnight? Why had they been there for 20 hours?

“If we have to do that, then we’re not being very efficient,” Holmgren told them probably a dozen times or more, but when Andy Reid walked into his office at 5 a.m. and found Jon Gruden already there, he started coming in at 4. When Steve Mariucci stayed until night turned to morning, he figured he’d better do the same."

"Reid spent three or four nights at the facility each week. Back in Green Bay, he’d work a few hours in the morning before driving home to make breakfast for his sons and then returning to the office. But with the Eagles, there was too much to do, so he gave that up, too. Philadelphians tell stories about Reid slipping out to high school football stadiums, sitting in his parked car on Friday nights to watch his boys run a few plays. Then he’d return to work for last-minute film study or game prep or draft research or free agent scouting or practice-squad maneuvering or whatever remained on a herculean to-do list."

It also paints a fairly kind picture of him overall.

dont care

so what

Sure Andy was probably an absentee parent because of his job but his wife wasn't she was the stay at home mom. No one is really to blame except the adults who took the drugs.

Here is good story on it.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/trainingcam...st-son-garrett

So were all 5 of Reid’s children supposed to be angels? Same with his football teams?

Still haven’t received an answer to that question.

I'm fairly certain the rest of the shareholders at whb were as happy as hookers at a free drug buffet for the opportunity to ditch that clown and maybe go in a direction that's more analysis centric than being a contrarian **** bag of fabricated controversy for 4 hours a day.

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I live in KC I don't have local sports radio choices. It's either drink the antifreeze or hug the aids tree.

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Do you have internet?

There are degrees of behavior. Doesn't surprise me you keep deflecting, ignoring and going to the extreme to try and save face, though. No one claimed they were supposed to all be angels.

You said we don't know that he was an absentee parent. There is literally a several thousand word article from the former Chiefs guy in KC detailing how Reid was an absentee parent.

So it would appear you can't even keep track of your own points.

How am I deflecting and trying to save face? You’re saying it’s accurate that Reid has no discipline over his players or family and a very poor record. I’m saying that nobody has a perfect record as a parent or coach, so what makes Reid anymore of a failure as a parent/coach?

Sounds to me like you’re saying that all 5 of his kids and every player with issues that he’s ever coached should be perfect and if they fail it’s on him.

This is getting a little ridiculous, guys...

Only about eleventy billion people in the world have grown up with 0 parents, 1 parent, 2 dead parents, 1 dead parent, or some combination of problems associated with dead, alive, absentee, or missing parents and not become addicted to heroin or perished due to an overdose.

Correlation? Causation? That's the argument here?

FAX

It is when you’re a judgmental prick like Hamas.

Am I supposed to believe this one guys opinion who was with him a few time for an hour or two during working hours.

Come on...we all know Reid is a workaholic and football junkie. We've all heard the sleeping at the office, 100+ hr week stories. It's part of what makes him one of the best coaches in the league. I'm not going to say that it has anything to do with his sons dealing and doing drugs but denying that he puts in ridiculous hrs at the office is kind of foolish.

And you're really think it's his opinion that Reid works like that?

Andy was an absentee father. That’s the nature of the business.

Some people put career first and some put family first. Andy is one of the best coaches in the league, but the best things about him namely mean the worst about his life as a father.

I bet that’s why he didn’t want to have coaching and GM responsibilities anymore.

His sons were adults when they got in trouble.

It doesn’t sound like the judge was necessarily blaming it on the parents.

This happens all the time with rich spoiled young adults. It doesn’t mean it was a result of Reid working too much.

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TJ, is shitting himself

He's really going to love Tyreek's Walter Payton NFL man of the year award.

You are either part of the problem or part of the solution TJ... You can't be both...

Tell him I said, "OK"....

He’s now on some misguided “freedom of speech” angle that stinks of the idiocy that emanates from our own dc forum; he believes kk should get to say whatever he likes without consequence.

ROFL

Don't forget the SB MVP as well

Amen. When I was just an infant I was dropped on my head and abandoned, and this group of sideshow freaks took me in and raised me as their own. I turned out perfectly fine. Thank you Racoon Man and No-Nipples Nadine!

I think KK knows deep down inside that he not only screwed up but he screwed up royally. Even though Kevin didn’t like Pat in the beginning, he came around and finally got on board and has even said a number of times that he believes this town will have a Super Bowl soon.

KK grew up in the city and has been a Chiefs fan his entire life, not to mention that he’s constantly mentioned how great it would be to announce the Chiefs at Super Bowl champions on his radio show one day.

Way to be stupid and get fired in the beginning of the golden age of Chiefs football, dumbass. LMAO

And I guarantee the ****er went full Captain Hadley and cried like a pussy.

His very poor record.

This ****ing douche.

Shock jock going fishing and morons are taking the bait.

So here we are again where you told me I was deflecting for calling you out on being a judgmental piece of shit.

By “very poor record” what you really mean is he’s not ****ing perfect like you and you’re ignoring every success story and the fact that he has 3 other children with no issues. You’re placing blame on him for the actions of adults. How is it a parents fault that their adult sons were addicts? One of his sons got addicted to pain killers after suffering an injury. How the **** is that Reid’s fault?

Making any kind of judgment means you think you know what went on in their household and how Reid was directly responsible when you have no ****ing clue.

Also what is Reid’s very poor record as a HC?

I’d like to see a list of all the failures if you’re going to make that claim, and no Tyreek isn’t for sure one of them as it appears there’s a lot more to that story than any of us know and he could be completely innocent.

And Kareem Hunt doesn’t really qualify either as the guy had no issues whatsoever before he was drafted. I don’t see how you can put that on Reid unless you expect him to be responsible for what all his players do when they’re on their own time.

Those two guys are where this narrative is coming from because before that Reid had a pretty good track record.

Plenty of guys with issues that he gave chances to ended up completely fine like Kelce, DJax, Vick, Demarcus Robinson, etc. but yea “very poor record” :rolleyes: