I'm fine taking him at 32. I have no idea how teams think the board will shape up, but I imagine the run on RB's starts at the end of the 1st and goes through the middle of the 2nd.

And i do believe he'll be one of the top 2-3 backs taken. I really do believe that.

And i believe that he's the best fit for our team. He's a natural pass catcher, he's explosive in space, and his patience says to me that he'd be killer in a the screen game and a zone blocking scheme.

His weakness is his long speed. He'll get chased down on long running plays. And i heard that his pass blocking is weak. But i've never evaluated that.

Sorry I like Aiyuk more and am now going all in on him. He's so explosive and plays much bigger than his 5'11 with those crazy long arms


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o0-...ature=youtu.be


Also his vertical is over 40 inches. Put that together and he's catching shit way over DBs' heads

Aiyuk is very talented but I think he is slot only to start. I think Reid wants more versatility in a WR as he likes them to move around the field.

Did you read the top comment on that video?

“Please don’t let KC get this guy. They already have a young track team.”

The rest of the league is terrified.

Would love to see us pick up Michael Pittman out of USC. Big WR stud and a great kid to be pair with Mahomes for many years!! He's a can't miss IMHO.

I'm down with Pittman. He has a Michael Thomas vibe going..

Imagine how easy it would be to get 1st downs with Pittman/Kelce and then Tyreek/Hardman doing stuff.

The top rated guard/center should be available at 32.
I think KC will grab a DB at 32, get em early as possible.
I prefer we get a crazed LB out of this draft/ OL help.

Grant Delpit, S, LSU

I've soured on Delpit

I like Reagor a lot.

He might be my 5th favorite WR in the draft. Super explosive after the catch and could so some really good stuff as the X here.

I want you to remember something, a lot of these scouts and personnel people are older, some of them don't understand how much the game has changed.....yea safeties tackle worse know why? They're much more like corners today than they use to be...

When I read some of these things I really feel like a lot of people still employed by teams think that we still play in the days of 260lb LB's that mauled OL and safeties that came up and played like LB's and pass coverage wasn't that important.

Delpit is a bit of a risk but the upside with him being able to cover TE’s is very valuable. That’s hard to find.

I've never been on the Delpit train. Everything i've heard about the guy is that he misses way too many tackles for a safety and has a hard time breaking down in the box or in the open field to bring down the ball carrier.

A guy who's great in coverage but isn't physical enough to tackle at the S position gives me nightmares of guys like Eric Murray. Soft. Soft as a S? Not my cup of tea.

Yet he was a fine tackler in 18 and tackled fine in their championship run in 19 after his ankle injury got better.

Having a first round pick is a different situation for him as well.

We are just not agreeing this year, man.

The best S's in the league tackle well.

They're are the last line of defense. It's a freakin' job requirement.

Like i said, a S that can't tackle is a soft S.

The one saving grace about Delpit that must be considered is that, IIRC, he was dealing with a high ankle sprain most of last season. You could possible attribute his poor tackling to that.

But that of course does not explain his poor tackling in '18.

It's a legit problem.

This isn't a case of, "oh he's not a strong tackler but he gets the job done". This is a case of his tackling being so below average that it's a concerning weakness.

Not from what i've heard.

I'm not on the Delpit wagon at all

Me too.

My primary draft guide has all the same knocks on him, sounds like a bigger Ron Parker to me... pass

Have you watched Antoine Winfield Jr?

I'm changing my pick to J.K. Dobbins - RB Ohio state.

I like his books.

I think he probably is, to be honest.

But it's pretty much a shite draft class for TE, IMO.

Take a look at the 2011 draft class headed by Kyle Rudolph and then a bunch of flawed dudes that really didn't amount to much. Rudolph was the best TE of the bunch and by a fair amount...but he was still pretty 'meh' when it got right down to it.

Just an unspectacular lot. Are there a lot of 'Virgil Green' type guys who have potential and measurables and will likely do dick at the next level - yup. But that's about it. More likely you'll see a Lance Kendricks or Charles Clay and forget all about the 2020 TE class when all is said and done.

Seriously though, I like this RB in the 2nd - Clyde Edwards-Helaire
(RB)

My favorite DB in the draft.

You wanna talk about a guy who's not afraid to lay the wood? Antoine Winfield Jr.

He plays with reckless abandon and that's one of my favorite safety traits. Not afraid to throw his body in the hole and greet the RB with a thump. And his ball skills are fantastic. A true ball hawk.

Of course that also means that injuries will be a concern. It always is with guys like that.

Eric Berry played like that and his body couldn't hold up, and im not talking about the Cancer either. I remember Eric talking after his rookie year about how beat up he felt vs compared to College.

Earl Thomas too.

It takes a lot out of those kinds of guys.

But if we can get his best years....

Delpit is a willing tackler...just weirdly not very good at it.

Murray is soft - Delpit is just not terribly effective. The former is permanent but the latter can be trained out. The former sees someone coming, plays him off a hip or makes a business decision, fails to slow him down and it's a big play. The latter, OTOH, will at least get in there and get in his way - slow him down a bit for a rally tackle from his teammates.

Would you like everyone to be Mathieu - oh hell yes. But again, Delpit has an aggressive streak and with some technique changes can make himself a fine tackler.

In the end I get the vibe that there's gonna be a surprise slide that I like a little more than Delpit by the time it's said and done. But I think some of the late hate on the guy is, as Mecca noted, some old heads that think safeties are still Ronnie Lott. Delpit won the Thorpe because he's a dynamic, athletic coverage safety who can do a lot of things well.

Where do you think falls? He's got the feel of a back of the 2nd-mid 3rd guy to me.

Love this. Wilson, Hitchens, Niemann might be the least athletic LB group.

I wonder how The Veach views Claypool. As a WR or as a TE?

I mean, i think he has all the tools to be a starting WR in this league.

But could you imagine him and Kelce as a two TE set? Jeebus.

But then again, i don't expect opposing D's will play them like a traditional two TE set.

I think, no matter what label you put on Claypool or where you line him up, he's getting a real DB on him so it's moot.

If the picks stay as they are, and he gets into the second, I'd say Dallas is his floor of where Delpit gets picked.

No clue.

I think that could be a realistic mock (if Murray lasts until 32) but Claypool might be the only player that I swap out. And I like Claypool.

I see a guy with all the tools of Ruggs, but who trades some straight line speed for added acceleration/explosion.

Sure, he's more raw. But Jeudy and Lamb are the only two WRs in the class who I would be confident saying will definitely have a better career. A ton of risk there - I wouldn't take him in the 1st. But if a good trade down scenario emerged, I'd be fine taking him mid-2.

Matt Miller has him going 64 to Seattle - oh no he would not. Not in my world. No way I'd let him past me in the 2nd. I mean, I guess there could be someone I like better, but it seems unlikely.

I still feel like he's a late 1st. But sometimes we overrate safeties in the draft 'round here, especially the hardcore draft wonks.

He's still my favorite safety in the class (Simmons excluded).

I was just watching some stuff.......I think Laviska Shenault as a rookie could be used a lot like Deebo Samuel was, some handoffs, ball in space etc etc.

I think this is a Harry Potter joke.

But I would HATE that pick. I've decided I wouldn't even take Dobbins in the 2nd. I just...I'm just not a fan. There's just very little 'there' there. I watch him and just can't decide what he actually does well.

I wouldn't be surprised if there ends up 5 or 6 backs in this draft that have better careers then him.

I’m wanting Winfield at #32

If there is a modest trade down into Round 2, I’m in for Dobbins or Pittman Jr.

He flew under my radar, but yeah the more you look into it this guy sounds like an instant weapon... then you just keep adding layers of polish

Seems like an even bigger Sammy Watkins, so consider me IN

That is interesting!! I'll be fine if we pick someone else. ROFL

My prediction is Chiefs fans will watch the entire 1st round...only to have KC trade down.

TE is one of those positions where the perceived best guy in the class rarely ends up being great. Even if you're a great TE, so much of it depends on what your offense does and how often your QB will look your way.

Who are the game's best TEs in the past 10 years? Kelce, Kittle, Gronk, Ertz, Julius Thomas, and... Hooper? Andrews, I guess? Not a single one of those players was selected in the 1st round, nor were any of them the first TE drafted in their respective classes. The closest thing you're going to get is Eric Ebron, and while he had a very nice 2018, I count that as only one actual outstanding season of his. Granted, that's also in the past 10 years. You go further back and you see careers of guys like Greg Olsen, Vernon Davis, and Dallas Clark all in a stretch of a few years, so it could just be a random streak of bad luck for top TEs.

It's also kind of funny that the top 2 TEs in yards and TDs over the past 3 years combined are Kelce and Ertz, both players from that wretched 2013 draft class.

Anyway, I'm wagering some hefty money that Harrison Bryant is going to be a pretty good starting TE in the NFL. He's not as bad at blocking as a bunch of scouting reports make him out to be, and he's probably the best pure pass catching TE in this draft class. And in an unspectacular year for the position as this one is, I'm pretty confident that will be good enough to be the best.

YES!!! The LSU stud would be a second round gem! I'm with you on that.

Then just take him @32.

I don't think he gets to 63.

Watch all of his offensive snaps in the Michigan game from this past season. Then you will see what Veach possibly sees in him:

He can play the workhorse role if you need him to, not in the sense that he’s going to physically dominate upfront and get tough inside yards for you, but they slow play him with a lot of inside zone where he’s getting 2 to 3 yards a carry, and then they would mix in enough outside zone and off tackle runs where he would just get huge chunk plays and eventually wear out that defense. I think Veach sees Dobbins as a finisher who is more than competent in all phases of the running back game: pass protection, pass catching, and the ability to run inside and outside of the tackles while playing with a physical edge that seems to get better as games go longer.

This is a really balls TE year, not even really worth discussing.

I think Winfield is going to be damn good. Only worried a bit about his injury history

I think he "could" and I stress could go to Miami at 26.

My lord this WR class is so good.

I keep finding new receivers to go nuts over.

I think there would be better RB's at 32. But if you could get a tackling machine ball hawk like GRANT DELPIT his LSU homie then you come out big. But yeah, probably have to trade up.

It's true. Maybe the deepest class ever.

Yeah, i keep circling back to that 2nd rounder as a REAL nice spot for a WR.

Granted, if the run starts, the carcass could be clean by the time it gets to 63...

Isaiah Simmons snaps in last 2 seasons:

CB slot left (446)
CB slot right (377)
Left OLB (182)
Safety (177)
Right OLB (156)
Left ILB (60)
Right ILB (56)
Middle LB (37)
Right safety (29)
Left safety (15)
CB wide left (14)
CB wide right (7)

My favorite so far is on Terez' All-Juice team: Adam Trautman. This is a pretty fun watch:

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Ya I like this idea in the meantime likes get more athletic at linebacker fella.

I saw we had a Facetime meeting with Josh Jones. Not a need but I wonder if he's a possibility.

He has about a .0001 chance of being there.

Good post. I really like Trautman, too. He produced when called upon and I think will produce in the NFL, as well.

Delpit's tackling, or apparent lack there of and numerous missed tackles seem to be the biggest knock on him. A tackling machine he is not. That said, he would be a nice piece to add to the back end and would likely decrease immediate need for CB with Mathieu playing more coverage.

But I mean...if we're gonna take a safety I'd want a guy to be a Sorenson replacement. We have guys that can cover.

Schrager just tweeted that he believes RB’s Swift and Edwards-Helaire are the two most likely to be chosen in round 1. All other top RB’s, he’s hearing, will last until the 2nd or 3rd round.

I shouldn’t be surprised, but to score a guy like Dobbins, Taylor, Moss, etc. with a second round pick would be amazing.

Yeah, I think CEH will probably be the best fit but if we could get Taylor in the 2nd (no dice on moss or Dobbins; 3rd rounders, IMO) and use the 1st on someone like Epenesa or Murray, that would be a home run.

Personally, Id rather have ANTOINE WINFIELD.

I haven’t watched a ton of Trautman to say, but it always feels like there’s a small school TE in the draft that everyone is clamoring over (Adam Shaheen comes to mind) but never do shit.

I’m so/so on Moss, but Dobbins will never last till the third round. He’s a fantastic back.

Trautman and Bryant out of FAU were the guys that I was thinking of when I cited Virgil Green.

Like you said - there is always a toolsy small-school TE or two that never does a thing at the next level.

Ive seen him go to Tenn at 29 in several drafts.

This isn’t correct. They aren’t trying to trade up from 5 . They are trying to get to 3 and keep 5 too

Wow that would be a bold move for both teams. Lions get what the 18th, 25th and maybe next years 1?

The trade chart for what it's worth would value the 3rd pick at 2200 and the 18th +25th at 1600. So would need next years 1 or a little more then Miami's top 2nd rounder (500)

Lions arming themselves for Trevor Lawrence?

Hope he lands in the NFC

18 26 and the 39 this year the writer said was close

Man I remember how much I wanted Stafford on the Chiefs.


I keep forgetting he exists

Doubt Patricia would survive winning the top pick.

Not sure Lions ownership gives a shit.

I get the feeling buyers remorse set in on that one REAL quick.

Which would work out for the Lions because they could recruit a HC who would want to start out with Lawrence.

It would work out for the Lions because they wouldn't have a mouth-breathing NEtard running their squad.

Shocks me how many teams still fall for those guys.

So it’s a Win-Win-Win.

They could also flip Stafford to a win now team in need of a QB like say...the Redskins cause they're desperate to just be ok.

Though I am curious - are we seeing the return of the middle-class quarterback?

Seems like more and more teams are willing to move on from solid but unspectacular veteran quarterbacks and in so doing, they're creating a surplus in the market that's driving some prices down.

Granted, it's still the QB position so they're still being well compensated, but it seems that there's a lot broader spread in QB salaries than there has been in years past. It isn't just 'QBs on rookie deals and veterans jockeying to be the new highest paid player in league history...and shit'

There appears to be genuinely quality QBs who are accepting deals in their own tiers now and I don't recall seeing that much in the recent past.

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So would any draft eligible WR or NFL WR.

:p