He's much more than that.

it's WHY he's a HOF QB only seven years in.

You're crazy. Banged up corner, young ass defensive coordinator that was 19 when Spagnola thrashed Brady, and a defense that gives up over four yards a carry is vulnerable. And if it's close I don't like Lamar holding up.

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We're not moving the goal post... My God, the Texans were starting Steven Nelson and Denzel Perryman...

There's a reason KC leads the league in unblocked pressures. It's because Spags is one of the most creative and effective blitzers in the game. The Texans are not a blitzing team (and Lamar still had to "adjust" before he was able to move the ball against it).

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I read this post and many other posts of yours and I'm sure this question has likely already been posed, but respectfully, what has THIS Ravens team accomplished in the playoffs or ANY Lamar led Ravens team in the playoffs, including the also elite 2019 Ravens?

All this regular season success is great, but if there's anything we know about the Ravens since Lamar became the QB is that they haven't been able to get it done in the playoffs. Period.

Yes, you all had a solid comfortable win against the Texans, but I would argue the Texans are not one of the better teams that made the playoffs, in fact, they likely wouldn't even be in the playoffs if not for Jacksonville's second half collapse. Good young team with an exciting rookie QB but definitely not a Super Bowl contender at this point and time.

Now, none of this precludes Baltimore from being the favorite, being that you were the better team during the regular season, playing at home, etc., but I thinks it's comical if you can't understand why people are questioning the Ravens and how really 'legit' they are.

Going off of playoff performances in the Lamar era, and again I recognize we're talking about THIS years team. All those other playoff games (minus the Cincy one last year) had two common denominators; Lamar Jackson and John Harbaugh. And last I checked, those two are still in the same spot for this upcoming game on Sunday.

So until we SEE the Ravens go on that dominant post season run and win the Super Bowl, MOST (not just Chiefs fans) will be hesitant to buy in to all the other 'metrics' and stuff that are working in the Ravens favor. There were lots of great 'metrics' for the Ravens in 2019 too.

Like Pat once said, 'I'll see it when I believe it.'

****ing hell! 11 penalties for 70 yds vs 3 for 15 yds. It makes sense though. Houston was one of the most penalized teams in the league and Baltimore was one of the least

"I wanted the Chiefs"

I'd be careful what I wished for.

We'll see...

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This is spot on exactly what has happened every year since Patrick Mahomes has been the Chiefs QB.

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The most the Chiefs have given up is 27 this year, and Baltimore is gonna score 34?

They've given up more than 20 5 times in 19 games and they're gonna give up 34 this week?

Yeah not happening.

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Need Willie Gay and Mike Edwards to get healthy.

I think Andy will go into the game with a plan that lets Allegretti do what he does best so less worried about that. He’s more than competent and I can’t see how Thuney plays this week.

Just want our starters in on defense because I think we can absolutely hold Lamar and the Ravens under 20.

The two teams are pretty close when you look at it.

If the dropped passes are in our rear view, then the Ravens should be nervous. KC is two dropped passes away from the same record as Baltimore, and Kadarius Toneys big toe away from the best record in football.

Defenses are close in yards, only 3 apart in sacks, and our recent points allowed over second halves is legendary.

Ravens were very opportunistic, gaining 18 picks and 13 fumble recoveries for 31 turnovers, to KC'S 8 picks and 9 fumble recoveries, and that's the biggest edge right there. If we don't turn it over and make Lamar earn it, it's gonna be a long day for him.

It's going to come down to which qb can get it done against a monster defense. Mahomes has been dismantling the leagues best defenses for a few years now.

Hard to bet against 15.

Piss off. You really showed your true colors today ROFL

Troll piece of shit

You might be onto something here. I would put a wager on it if I were you.

Put down the pipe, dawg!

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He hasn't even strung those two playoff wins together over five seasons. In consecutive seasons

Edit: only played 7 games in '18

Absolute morons that chant 7 Nation army know Jack shit about evaluating football. Good lord the takes on this board by Ravens fans are embarrassing level bad.

Vegas has this as a push at best and you morons think they win by multiple scores over a team with the best HC, QB, and defense in the NFL? ROFL That is not even arguable by the way so don't respond

Man, these guys are boring.

They aren't as belligerently entertaining as Bills trolls, reddit-level football knowledge that's not anywhere close to the Browns fans who stopped by a few seasons ago, just as arrogant and naive as most "first time?" fans, with added passive aggressiveness that borders on diqlix gaslighting.

And even then, duncan and others keep throwing them knowledge and insight that isn't "Chiefs will win by 8 touchdowns," but nah, Ravens are awesome and we have no idea what's coming, and DVOA! LMAO :facepalm:

Not allowed in my state, if it were I still would not. I have better things to spend my money on.

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imagine saying "you have no idea what's coming" to a fanbase whose been through 5 straight afc championship games.

buddy, we've literally been through multiple super bowl wins, a blow out super bowl loss, an unspeakable collapse against cincy, mahomes beating the jags on 1 leg, chad freaking henne beating the browns, 13 seconds... etc etc. nothing shocks us at this point. there's nothing we can't handle. this is old hat for us.

No, not all blitzes are the same. Nor are all teams that blitz the same. The Chiefs are far superior to the Texans in pass defense. And yes, Lamar is an amazing player, he's not an elite passing QB. He's a very good passing QB (better the last couple of years from the few games I've seen) but not great. But he is an elite runner and that makes up for other areas (and some).

Lamar on Mahomes: "I don't like competing against him at all"

He's ****ing scared. Meanwhile Mahomes is relishing in this moment.

Typical Baltimore fan in our reach - https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/member.php?u=17481

See, that wasn't hard. Now we know where you're at, and why you're here. Opposing fans don't come to other message boards to talk shop. They come here (especially during the playoffs) to talk shit and to get our validation. That is it. Unless we suck you off and tell you how great your team is, the convo devolves into a shit show.

So, "34-20 ravens" is probably the most intellectually honest thing you've stated yet. Congrats, and you very well could be right. But, and this is really important, NO ONE GIVES A **** about what you think. The ONLY thing I think about, when I actually think about the Ravens, is that you are in our way. That's it. So,

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He knows what he’s up against. And he knows he can’t win if his defense doesn’t have the game of their lives.

SM talking heads have been propping up LameArm for years....MAHOMES and the CHIEFS d will expose him for what he is....a rb playing qb. GO CHIEFS

the Ravens are a damn good team. Well coached. And probably have the MVP leading the team. Overall you have the better team. But, we have playoff Mahomes. In his 5 AFCCG and 3 SB’s he has had 1 bad game. Not even a full game but a 1/2 against Cincy.

no way. Not on this defense.

agreed. These are the two best teams in football.

man, I hope some Ravens player says something like that.

I, for one, appreciate when the knowledge is thrown. I learn new things on here all the time! Some of them about football!

These teams have their strengths and weaknesses but are very evenly matched. In my opinion; its going to come down to the coaching and playcalls at the correct time. That said, Nagy makes me very nervous but hoping Reid will keep things on track.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE RAVENS FAULT. Good lord I feel like I'm arguing with my three year old.

Poster: Blitz Lamar he can't handle it ahhhh!!!

Fellow ravens fan: Well in literally the most recent example possible he had an incredible stat line against the blitz. So...

A handful of posters: Yeah but you played a banged up Texans D that doesn't count our defense is so good you don't even know!

Like, what's happening here. If that's not moving goal posts I don't know what is.

Yes, KC is a good team. Are they as good as in the past couple years? Objectively no, we all agree. But 1) they have a much better defense, one of the best in the league and 2) they have one of the best QBs/TEs of all time who thrive in the playoffs.

We (ravens fans in this chat) are so quick to compliment what KC does well, but the moment we say Lamar did anything well it's "bUt his wOdERLic" or "yeah but that other #1 seed he beat he only beat because you got turnovers", or "well he's a QB I don't his multiple rushing TDs or 100 yards he racked up."

We're moving the goal posts on every single conversation about Lamar and it's baffling to me.


All that said....34-20 Ravens.

Oh Johnny...

don't take what's going to happen Sunday too hard - it is just a football game after all ;)

Not playing us this year is going to be a huge disadvantage for the Ravens.

They have no idea how they match up.

Their receivers are going to be ****ing shocked by what's about to hit them.

Marlon Humphrey returned to practice for the Ravens. Huge boost to their defense if he's active.

Reading all that made me appreciate again just how awesome these past few years have been.

What a ****ing ride we’ve been on.

Someone correct me if I am wrong but Sneed has not allowed a TD this season and he has been put on an island with the best the NFL has. OBJ is good but he is no longer considered to be one of the best. Zay is good but not on par with the best in the fl

Johhny's guess is they drop more than 30 on us.

A throw Lamar can't make, but Sneed gave up the TD to Shakir last weekend

Sooner or later all of those fumbles we keep popping out from the opposing team are going to bounce our way.

Does your 3 year old also call you out on your terrible logic?

Thank you for correcting me.

So 1 TD all season long? and this guy thinks they are dropping over 30 on us?

What a witty retort! This is actually pretty on par with my 3 year old. Ignoring everything I said and giving me a nonsense response.

He allowed his 1st TD of the season on Sunday to Shakir in the 3rd qtr.

What? I never said 30 - no way. I said 34.

Yeah, but it's hard to put that one on Sneed. That was a perfect pass and catch on near perfect coverage.

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I thought that was someone else covering him.

Thank you for correcting me.

LMAO- You were replying to someone saying we should sell out and blitz to stop the run and make Lamar beat us with his arm. If we had Steven ****ing Nelson and Denzel Perryman we wouldn't be even suggesting that because we aren't 3 ****ing years old and brain dead. The Chiefs back 7 are as good as it gets this year. If we blitz and Lamar gets his, kudos, you deserve it, but to compare success against the Texans will be the same is crazy. As Chiefs fans, we understand the back 7 this week for the Ravens is also going to be a lot better than the Bills. We aren't in here saying we only had 3 real 3rd downs and punted once and we will do the same this week...

And on the Wonderlic, I could give a ****, I've meet Lamar in person and spent 15 minutes talking with him. He was a good dude and is a great player. Football smart isn't wonderlic smart... So I don't give a shit.

As far as pointing out that you beat the 49ers with an Iowa State QB, 7th round draft pick throwing 5 picks but still picking up 429 yards is legit since you keep pointing out you beat all these teams by 14 or more.

Oh, but we say things only because Lamar is black.... **** off.

So disappointed in the knowledge of Ravens fans. Especially that pathetic board that's watching this thread. Wow they are clueless ROFL

You know what the Ravens are? Just another domino to fall in the legendary careers of Reid/Spags/Mahomes.

Only because ****ing Jim Nantz jinxed him right before the play

Smart kid.

Definitely saw a lot of issues with Lamar trying to process and holding the ball forever in the first half vs. Texans. As long as we hold contain on the edges, I think our outstanding secondary can force him to stay in the pocket where he isn't as dynamic.

Cover 0 with Sneed and McDuffie erasing 2 of your wideouts..fear it this week because you will have nightmares Sunday night after the game.

I don't think you know what 'moving the goalposts' means.

But if you think THIS defense is anything like The Texans defense from last week, you're in for a surprise.

You're not scoring 34 points. Just forget that.

You might score enough to win, but it won't be 34. Y'all have a good defense, too, and it's possible Mahomes comes up short, but it's not typical. It could happen.

But you're not scoring 34 points.

Here we go again! Just can't help yourself! We beat up on the #1 seed in the NFC but Lamar just wasn't good enough, was he?! This is a joke, right?

Chiefs points don't count! Bills defense isn't good! Jerks his gerkin to scoring on a dog shit Texans defense ROFL

7 nation army rotted your pea brains

Nope - literally never said that. In fact, in that same post, I talked about how your defense was one of the best in the league - it really is. But just like you're confident in Mahomes (as you should be), we are also confident in our team. So, I think for the first time this year the VERY GOOD KC defense gives up more than 30, and I think it's 34. But if we win 9-7 I'll take that, too!

If he has a half, 1st or 2nd, like he had in the 1st half against Houston, Baltimore will lose.

They ain't gonna go into halftime tied with him playing like that. Granted, there was likely a little rust from not having played a meaningful game in 3 weeks, but the Ravens need to hope that's all it was.

He won't have the same margin for error against KC.

34 points on our d?!

ROFL

On a play that was literally impossible to defend. Sneed was playing outside leverage and Allen threw a ball essentially OOB that Shakir snagged.

If that's the kind of throw and catch you need to score a TD against Sneed, I'd say we're in solid shape. It was one of the better plays on both ends of the play that I've seen all season.

Sometimes you just can't defend a perfectly executed play and that's exactly what that was. My jaw pretty much dropped when it happened.

But again, that's the difference between this team and the teams Pre-Mahomes. Pre-Patrick, they make that play and we spend 8 months lamenting how impossibly good the opposing QB is against us.

Now Buffalo gets to do that instead.

It's neat.

Whats up Chiefs fans. Im a Ravens fan and think the Chiefs are going to "win".

Yeah, the offense would have to completely no-show for that to happen.

Because Buffalo essentially moved the ball at will in the first half last weekend and put up 'only' 17. They'd have needed to match that level of dominance in the 2nd half to manage 34.

If we don't turn it over or have 4 or 5 three and outs, 34 points ain't happening. We aren't the '85 Bears or anything, but it's a damn good defense. Give them even footing (i.e. reasonable time on the field; no short fields) and they aren't giving up more than 24 points.

Sure, blame us because you're too stupid to understand the difference. Several posters explained that there is a big difference. Duncan had the best post. Perhaps you could go read his post again and try to understand this time.

Yeah, cool, but you're not scoring 34 points. Nope.

LMAO

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He just posted the most recent numbers however Lamar has been beating the blitz all year. The 1st half the Ravens were trying to take advantage of the Texans weak secondary and go deep, at halftime the guy with the low wonderlic score, you know the one that can't read defenses? Thay guy thats about to win his 2nd MVP went to the QB coach and told him that they had to go to the short to intermediate game to beat the blitz and wouldn't you know they scored 24 points in the 2nd half.

we had like 4 turnovers in our hands against buffalo

about time for us to just hand a team their ass 40-13!

It took Lamar an entire half of football to "figure out" the vaunted Texans blitz. Don't act like that doesn't worry you, especially against this Chiefs team.

Oh.

So your offensive coaching staff needed {checks notes} Lamar Jackson to tell them what was going on out there?

That bodes well...

Well he wasn't try8ng to process he was trying to get the ball deep. They plays that were being called were longer developing plays without a built in hot. At halftime the guy that can't read a defense woth slow processing went to the QB coach and told him he need more short to intermediate throws. He came out the 2nd half read tje defense perfectly and carved the Texans up just as he has done to every other team this season that's tried to blitz him.

Also you guys want to put the last loss to the Ravens on CEH, go back and watch the tape. Lamar punished Spags for blitzing him. I know I know it wasn't Spags blitzing it was Sorenson, Nieman, amd the likes.

Do you know what is a strawman? That's what you just did.

Yeah those guys aren't here anymore. This is a whole different deal.

If this were true he could have just as easily chose to throw to the underneath routes vs trying to force it down the field.

Why make up shit to make attempt to make him look smarter than his OC?

Starting think Lamar's wonderlic score is on the high end around Balitmore

I mean that IS typically the first line on Jackson's scouting report.

"Brilliant player; true student of the game. Understands how to read defenses forward and backwards. Future coach in the making..."

That's what everyone says about him. All the time.

So yeah - he's obviously telling his coaches how to call the game.

If Jackson is such an advanced processor in command of the offense, why isn't he adjusting to that on the fly? Checking to a different play? Telling a receiver to run a hot? Or after a drive? Why is that a halftime conversation? If you want to use an example of how in control he is, I don't that is the example you're looking for.

And, I don't think this thread in general is saying Lamar is dumb and that's his downfall, or that he's dumb and therefore can't handle the blitz. Maybe some early on or in one of the other threads on this board, but the topic recently has MOSTLY been about him being a dynamic playmaker you have to try to get to play within a few confines.

Finally, regarding blitzing. When talking about Jackson's ability to handle the blitz, referencing what he did two years ago in one game is meaningless to both sides of the discussion.

Schefter just said Thuney unlikely to play.

Lamar is better then allen, he may not have a stronger arm then allen, but his throwing angles make up for it