Zero reason whatsoever not to bring back Hunt. They are insane if they don’t. He’ll be dirt cheap and has earned it. He deserves to finish his career here. I’m sure Pat will make sure he doesn’t go anywhere again.

Great to see. It is nice seeing him realize his dream of playing in a Super Bowl. I bet he thought that ship had sailed.

Kareem was awesome in that game. It is great to see him get a chance to play in the Super Bowl.

if we win the SB, when it comes to making the rings, this guy needs the biggest, fattest ring ever created.

Such an incredibly important addition to this team, he really put his body through hell in the regular season to see us over the line and then reels out that performance.

Sure it isn't a Barkley, Gibbs esque stat line, but without him we don't win that game

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Well we’ve watched how this offense sputters with Steele blowing blocking assignments, Pacheco tripping over his own dick in the passing game, and no back on the roster being able to spot a hole to save their life. I think we missed the big play element from the RB position this year as well.

Not to derail, but what the hell happened to Pacheco? He’s never had great vision, but he’s just a hair above being a liability since he came back.

bring back hunt as the 2 and go out and get an explosive back. the pacheco experiment should be over

I’m not sure. Best guess is that he’s still recovering from the injury.. IIRC, he was averaging over 4 YPC prior to, and ended up settling at like 3.7 YPC on the season. He’s been a completely different player since his return.

I defended his position as the starter the other day in another thread but I don’t think I can anymore. He’s still got a place on the team but he needs to right his ship.

What place is that?

Hunt is the guaranteed to see a hole and fall forward for 3/4 yards guy. Perine is the guaranteed chip block and hands to the flats guy.

Unless it's just the results of winding down during the injury and being unable to get spun back up to game shape mid season, he's lost the ability to be the explosive break away back we'd need the third guy to have. Hate to see the injury get him thrown on the scrap heap so quickly, but I don't see what his usage would be anymore.

I hate to say it, but what wheels are left on hunt could fall off just as fast. He might be riding an emotional wave that has him playing beyond his actual abilities. Having one shot at redeeming yourself with the organization and while knowing this is likely your only shot at getting a ring all at once very well could use up anything and everything he has to offer. I keep thinking back to him telling Reid/Hunt that "they wouldn't regret this". Dude might not have another season in him after this run.

Well as a RB2 he would be great.

I am not ready to close the book on him either way just yet. We’ve got two seasons of plus starter play from him. His bad play this year after injury is only a small sample size. Give him the offseason to get healthy and we can make a more informed decision next year.

Hell, we stuck with CEH for like four years. We can give Pacheco another chance to get things together.

Pacheco has poor vision and not alot of short area balance.

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This is a loaded RB draft.

I 100% expect Veach to grab a talented back early.

Judkins, johnson or henderson would feast in this offense


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Man, some of you guys are really butterfly fans. Pacheco broke his leg, fcs. So he didn't jump right back in where he left off, and people want to throw him away? Wth?

I want them both to stick around. It’s great to have both. I think Pacheco will be fine and is probably out of sync after the leg injury.

I love pacheco, and own his jersey. But im not going to advocate paying him a second contract. Getting a rookie this year ensures a smooth transition for the next 3 years, and potentially upgrades the position.


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I hate it, but RB is by far the most replaceable "plug and play" position in the NFL.

Pacheco has been great, but running backs are disposable, even the really good ones.

He's going to be here next year. There is no question. But its time for the chiefs to draft some talent at the position. We need young legs and explosion. And there are lots of good options in this draft.

The running back room going into the this season was a ****ing mess. And that has nothing to do with Pop, other than he gets a little banged up. To have CEH who played Zero Snaps this season, and then Steele, who is really nothing more than a PS player. Thank god for Hunt!

Kareem was probably the best signing by Veach this year. Crazy how that worked out.

Really was. He legit won some games for us

The Kareem Hunt and Matt Arazia's redemptions, on the same team for opposite reasons. Is a great story someone will tell someday

i really hope so. i think a dynamic back would really unlock this offense. Yes, we have mahomes and our main focus should be beating teams with him, but Mahomes has not had a legitimately good running game since his first year, and that was still his best season in terms of production.

I mean, just think of how good this offense would look with a jamyr gibbs style receiving threat back.


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What number was he drafted? There's a reason it was so high, they don't come around that often.

and when it comes to drafting that high, we have bigger needs

Im not advocating a first round pick, but If i could get judkins or henderson with the titans pick im running to the podium.


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you can get a great back in the later rounds. A Gibbs level back would obviously be insane, and sometimes those guys are there on day 2 (i wouldnt hate using that high of a pick on a dynamic back) but a guy I think of who got drafted late who would be a problem in this offense is Tyrone Tracy. Former WR turned back. I saw there’s a similar player in this draft people were comparing him to named Brashard Smith. idk where he’s projected to go (i dont watch college at all so just going off what i’ve read) but I wouldn’t hate using maybe a 5th round pick on a guy like that.

You can get a great ANYTHING in the later rounds, apart from QB and we don't really need one of those.

LT is also pretty hard to find in the late rounds, but it's hard to find in the late FIRST.

I just don't know how we can see a team like Philly get there on the back of Saquon, or the Lions dominate in the regular season on their running game. Or see Buffalo push us to the brink despite being largely outplayed almost completely on the back of their 2nd round RB in Cook and STILL say "Eh, we'll just grab someone in the 4th or 5th and be fine..."

The RB and LT are easily and obviously the biggest issues on our offense and LT isn't one we're going to be able to address in the 30s.

But man, we can very probably get the best RB in this draft at 32 if we wanted. It may not be necessary but if we want to take one at 64 instead, that's EASILY defensible.

"We can get one on the 3rd day" netted us Pacheco. And he's been...okay. But he's just not giving us much. And with the way the league is shifting towards high efficiency, low explosion offenses, having a RB who can offer efficiency AND explosion would be hugely valuable for us.

If we had Cook and they had Hunt, Sunday would've been an absolute massacre.

We really should be looking to put some assets into the RB room at this point. And yes, depending on the draft board when we get up there in the 1st, that could very easily mean using a 1st on a RB. It's not my preferred course, but it has to be one on the table.

I’m with you. I want us to invest in a high end running back who’s more than a project. I just don’t know if the FO is gonna feel the same way.

We're gonna have pick 64 and 65 no? Grab one there for sure.

64 and 66. Because three teams finished with the same "worst" record, they rotate the first pick in each round.

I'd just have to wait and see.

Jeanty, Henderson, Sampson, probably Hampton and maybe James are guys I would be willing to look at at the back of the 2nd.

Not sure I'm all that excited about Judkins, Johnson, Neal or some of the other guys often mentioned in that tier.

It really just depends on how the picks go through the mid-2nd as I think that's when we'll see a fair number of those backs come off the board. And if we're sitting there at 64 and Neal is the top RB on the board, I'm looking elsewhere.

You don't like Kaleb Johnson?

I admit I'm a Hawkeye fan but the guy has everything you want in a 3-down back.

Not in the first 2 rounds, no.

Doesn't have the explosion I'd want. I need to see someone that can pull away.

Johnson is similar to Neal in that I see a more Hunt style back. And I think there are a TON of those in this draft class. So I really don't see any scarcity there that would require that I use a top 60ish pick on him.

Ah, I see.

I guess I see something different I terms of explosion. He outran a lot of guys this season. Had multiple plays over 50 yards, running and receiving.

What about Skibidi or whatever the **** his name is out of ASU. I'd take a flyer on him in the later rounds if he drops due to a relatively poor combine and double dip at the position.

You want to draft Skibidi toilet? I guess we can get some meme money for the team.

Skattebo is his name. The dude that ****ed up Texas playing hungover as ****.

I honestly wouldn't bother wasting the roster spot on him.

I'd like to keep Hunt as a short yardage back. Perine as a 3rd down back. I'd keep Pacheco strictly as a backup and then seek a new starting RB who handles 60% or so of the carries with the remainder divided situationally between Hunt and Perine.

I don't want to carry 5 RBs and don't see any utility in Skattebo over the 3 guy's I'd like to see brought back.

Yea no there's a RB spot if you draft a homerun hitter or a legit 3 down RB, that's it.

I think Johnson is both of those things. No, he's not a blazer but he definitely has breakaway ability. He's excellent in pass pro and catches the ball out of the backfield well.

Omarion Hampton is the guy I really like, he's basically Kareem Hunt in his prime.

Wouldn't hurt my feelings but I don't see them bringing both of them back, Perine in particular. They just don't seem to have as much use for him as you think they would.

In such a deep draft, some quality guys WILL get pushed back, but that doesn't mean I disagree with the sentiment. However, there also is the Eagles' blueprint of signing a premier back in FA, although I have zero idea of what options will be out there. Somehow, though, the Eagles always seem to make the right move.

Ding ding ding.

Perfect three down back.

Howie Roseman is probably the best GM in the league not named Brett Veach.

I don't think there's a probably to it; he and Beach are absolutely the best.

I'd love to know how they afford their roster, it's wonky to me how many big contracts are on that team.

Agreed, it's an insane roster. Brown via trade, a load through the draft, and forgotten guys like Baun in FA. Just a masterclass. I know some thought the Georgia picks were overhyped, but man, they all look pretty good to me.

One more game for Kareem. God I want him to get a ring so badly. What a journey.

Would help ease the wonder of "what if..." about the 2018 season. That'll still always be there, especially if Mahomes doesn't get to 7 or 8 SB wins, but this would be a nice way to end that storyline.

It doesn't hurt when you get a top 3 talent because he participates in vehicular homicide.

There are a LOT of guys who profile a ton like Prime Kareem Hunt in this draft.

I'd be surprised if any of them are that good. But one of them might be.

Maqe's guy is the one that looks MOST like Kareem to me. Neal is pretty close as well.

Hampton has a little more juice but doesn't run with quite the same power/vision, IMO.

But if you're willing to target that Hunt sort of player, I probably would just wait until the late 3rd or 4th. There are a lot of guys like that in this draft.

Sure, but 8 teams didn't pick him, 5 of which picked non-QBs. Of those only Will Anderson looked a better pink. Plus they traded up with the Bears, who promptly picked Darnell Wright. Which was fine, but not really the same value.

Roseman is good at roster construction, lots of these other GMs really aren't

I think we use him more than the stats show.

He's so good in pass pro and we've needed to provide some help to deal with the LT situation all year. He's in there on 3rd downs a lot, he's just not always catching as many passes as the RBs did back when we trusted the LT more.

I think we've gotten our money's worth and then some from him. He's a guy I'd absolutely bring back on the same sort of deal.

Kyle Monangai, RB Rutgers...

Well they got Baun for asswipe money and got an All Pro season from him.

That's part of it.

They also had some surprisingly strong draft capital because of trades they made (Wentz being the most obvious). The Eagles got a 1st for Wentz and then packaged that with their 1st THAT year for a later 1st and a 1st the next year from the Saints.

The Saints being the Saints, ended up picking 10. And Roseman used a little trade up to get to 9.

Howie deserves a ton of credit for both of those moves - those were smart and aggressive moves. But man, they both just came up aces for him to boot. It took a little luck (and vehicular homicide) for that to go as well as it did.

It's not even the draft capital they got higher up, they've also done a really nice job not wasting picks, and rebuilding weak areas through the draft, imo.

LBs looked bad, so they got Nakobe Dean and Trotter in the 3rd and 5th respectively, both look great. Obviously Baun was a masterstroke, but Oren Burks wasn't far behind. Underwhelming in GB and now having a career year.

CBs looked weak and they replace with Mitchell and Dejean, both look like studs.

Even a guy like Nolan Smith for a late first. Slow rookie year and now is a massive contributor.

Roseman has managed to cover both immediate and future needs through the draft and FA. Got to respect it.

He's a remarkable football player and should never have been let go to begin with

it was bad timing because incident occurred during the height of the 'me too movement'

that and he lied about what happened straight to Clarks face. The Chiefs are highly protective of their brand

He lied to Clark's face.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

The funny thing about ALL those picks is how cleanly the draft board came to them.

Carter, Smith and Dean were all guys where I was just annoyed as shit to watch them fall. They're like the Chargers with a more competent overall organization.

The draft board just comes to them seemingly every damn year. And all they do is simply not overthink it. When a guy like Nakobe Dean, who looked like a possible 1st round pick, falls to the middle of the 3rd round -- Yeah, take that guy!

Some of what has made Roseman and before him Ozzie Newsome so good at the draft, is that they just took the layups. And yeah, some of them ended up sliding for a reason but a TON of those guys were as good as their draft status said they should be before they started sliding for various reasons.

They've really done that well. Like the Ravens with Ozzie as you said and the Steelers used to be this way.

Just sit tight and take good football players that maybe didn't run well in shorts.

The thing that makes it go is that they've got good infrastructure to handle them and put them in good spots to win.

Is it me or did Kareem look like he had some burst back in this game?

Looked like where he's been for most of the season except for a game or two in there where he just looked beat to hell.

So...maybe? I don't think we saw MORE than we've seen from him at his freshest this season. But it does look like the rest helped get him back to where he started. And getting Pop back to at least absorb a few hits (and deliver them in the process) has probably helped him a bit as well.

He looked like he was in beast mode. I bet he’ll be really fired up in weeks.

Kareem Hunt's second game in the NFL was against the Eagles. He has played the Eagles twice 17/20 & is 2-0

Would it be reasonable to conclude that with an extra year of Carson Steele in the organization could be beneficial to the RB room? I mean, he is a UDFA rookie for his first year in the NFL.

Yeah I don't get it. People are acting surprised that he hasn't been as good just a few months after breaking his leg. It's very obvious that he is still not 100% or comfortable after returning from injury.

He's gonna be the starter next year, but maybe someone will take his job though. He'd have to play like absolute garbage though, because of how the coaching staff likes to stick with vets.

That dude is a PS JAG at best.

We need to get some more talent in the RB room via the draft.

Yeah in an ideal world, Steele isn't even around.

No.

He has no actual talent.

He's the offensive version of Mike Mazlowski. He's a limited try-hard who any serious team should be looking to layer any chance they get and/or remove from the roster.

Im an Iowa State fan and I think Kaleb Johnson is going to be an absolute superstar. Reminds me a a bit of Larry Johnson with a little more wiggle. Arian Foster comes to mind as well. Id be all for it if he fell to end of 2nd.

What the injury has done is demonstrate how thiiiiin the line for success is with him.

If he loses ANY physical ability whatsoever, he's not even an NFL caliber backup. And with his running style and some injuries starting to mount up, he's going to start to decline sooner rather than later.

You might - MIGHT - have 2 healthy seasons left for him. And even that remains to be seen. You have absolutely slammed the door shut on an extension for him because it's clear you want no part of the diminished Pacheco on this roster.

And if the extension is off the table, it's time to find a replacement because there's only one year of team control left with him anyway.

It's time. I don't think you even have people saying you should cut him - there's a role for him on this team next season. I'm just saying that this return from injury has shown us very clearly how he's going to age and it isn't going to be pretty.

And it won't be hard to upgrade on him.

SO MUCH THIS.

He could have explained what was going on, why it happened, taken a suspension and been with the team.

Instead, he lied, the Chiefs supported him, and were then made fools of when TMZ released the video.

If I can't trust what you say, you can't work for me, I dint care what the job is.

I never thought he'd be back, because leopards don't typically change their spots. If you're a moronic hothead that lashes out physically, repeatedly, that's generally who you are and most don't care go work on themselves and put the effort in to change.

If KC hadn't won the Superbowl, maybe he doesn't get that moment of realization of what he threw away by acting a fool.

It takes a lot to admit you were wrong and you need to make changes. He appears to have done that.

The main concern with bringing him back was always what is he gonna do next time, to get removed from tge team when we're counting on him.

I'll always appreciate Damien Williams, but if Kareem Hunt is present for that 2018 title game, we go to the superbowl. Theres no first half shutout, there's no dee Ford moment.

The Chiefs rebounded and have become the destroyer of worlds, so that resentment many held against him for hurting the team has been masked.

I'm glad he got his shit together, and more glad he's been such a big part of this run. He's the best back in the room.

It was also in the height of the post Jamal Lewis, me too movement, NFL over reaction period. Cancel culture at its best. Just awful.

He had multiple incidents, not just the hotel incident caught on video. I said at the time that the kid needed to "bottom out" so that he would realize he had a problem and actually take the steps to get better.

He did that. It took a while but he did it. Now he gets to be a true redemption story. It ended up working out for all parties.

You mean Ray Rice?

I mean, Hunt lost probably 10s of millions of dollars and very possibly a couple of SB rings.

"working out" isn't exactly how I'd put it...but it could've been worse.

I dunno, maybe don't be stupid enough to get caught on video knocking a woman to the ground and then kicking her? Ain't THAT hard to do.