See, that's why I'm thinking a #2. Possibly a very late #1.

If you're like...oh, Green Bay for example. Rodgers is 35. Your window is very, very short. You want to take a chance on a first round flop or a guy that's shown to be an excellent pass rusher in the NFL. Only question is health; and if your docs feel good about the results of the back surgery, maybe you take that risk.

but I doubt a mid or high #1. Maybe in some package of picks or something.

You're not going to get a 1st for Ford. Mack performs like that year in and year out. Dee Ford has had one good year. Ford is likely worth a 2nd and a 4th or something similar.

No one has said (especially me) that he's worth MORE than mack.

But he's definitely worth a first.

Mack needed paid too.

He's was worth 2 1s. Ford is worth 1.

I think you're right more than likely.

I also kind of think maybe Veach might want to put his own stamp on this defense; and a chance to move an expensive piece for a high pick might fit his aggressive stance.

I still like signing Flowers and moving on from Houston and tag and trade Ford but that's just my big plan today.

If it's like Green Bay's #30 I could see it.

I'd punt Ford and restructure Houston if it was me

Exactly.

And Mack is a ****ing monster. A nightmare. Dee Ford is a goddamned cuddly kitten compared to Kahlil Mack.

Yeah. It's not going to be a top 15 pick. Later 1st imo

I would agree but I've seen it said that Houston's agent is not interested in restructuring.

If that's the case, you have to cut him I think.

Well what were their stats last year?

Ford was just as nightmarish but you wouldn't know

Well then we have to punt.

I don't know, IS he?

We lost what, three games in which we scored 40 points?

While I'm on my Trey Flowers kick-

how many games that we did lose was stopping the run a huge issue? Mightn't a guy like Flowers, who's a good run defender as well as a good but not elite pass rusher make your team better in both phases? You can't just run at him; and playing next to Jones you can't double him. Plus the #2 or so you pick up in the Ford trade? Doesn't that just make a lot of sense?

Again, look at the entirety of their careers. Mack gets 10+ sacks every year. He's automatic.

There's nothing about Dee Ford that is even remotely consistent.