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Originally Posted by luv

Ah, so no one felt he was worth 1st and 3rd round draft picks.

Eh...

Remember, the price is doubly high, because if anybody wanted him, not only would they have to pay us two draft picks, but they'll have Jared Allen to negotiate with, and he'd likely ask for a huge payday.

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Originally Posted by luv

Ah, so no one felt he was worth 1st and 3rd round draft picks.

There's no way of knowing. Jared didn't sign the qualifying offer sheet that the Chiefs sent him, so he couldn't negotiate with other teams.

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

There's no way of knowing. Jared didn't sign the qualifying offer sheet that the Chiefs sent him, so he couldn't negotiate with other teams.

So, by not signing an offer sheet, he chose to remain with the Chiefs. Now he's saying he's worth more than what they're offering?

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Originally Posted by luv

So, by not signing an offer sheet, he chose to remain with the Chiefs. Now he's saying he's worth more than what they're offering?

Not really, no. His agent said in early March he'll sign the tender.

Bascially he's just being a pain in the butt.

If you want to be really bored, here's the pertinent information, taken directly from the Collective Bargaining Agreement:

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Section 2. Restricted Free Agents:

(a) Any Veteran player with three or more Accrued Seasons, but less than five Accrued Seasons (or less than four Accrued Seasons in any Capped Year), shall, at the expiration of his last Player Contract during such period, become a Restricted Free Agent. Any such player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any such player, subject to the restrictions set forth in this Article.

(b) In order to receive the following specified Rights of First Refusal and/or Draft Choice Compensation with respect to a Restricted Free Agent, the Prior Club of a Restricted Free Agent must tender the player a Qualifying Offer on or before the first date of the Restricted Free Agent Signing Period, as follows:

(i) For Restricted Free Agents with three Accrued Seasons:

(5) Right of First Refusal, One First Round Draft Selection, and One Third Round Draft Selection: one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least

(a) $2,096,600 for the 2006 League Year, $2,350,000 for the 2007 League Year, $2,562,000 for the 2008 League Year, $2,792,000 for the 2009 League Year, $3,043,000 for the 2010 League Year, $3,317,000 for the 2011 League Year, or $3,616,000 for the 2012 League Year, as applicable, or

(b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged;

(h) Signing Period. The dates of the period in which Restricted Free Agents shall be free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club (the “Signing Period”) shall be agreed upon by the NFL and the NFLPA by the previous September 1, but in no event may such Signing Period be less than a period of forty-five days, unless the parties agree otherwise.

(i) (i) In the event that a Restricted Free Agent has not signed a Player Contract with a Club within the Signing Period in the League Year following the expiration of his last Player Contract, and if the Prior Club by June 1 tenders to the Restricted Free Agent a one year Player Contract of at least 110% of his Paragraph 5 Salary (with all other terms of his prior year contract carried forward unchanged) or extends the player’s Qualifying Offer, whichever is greater (the “June 1 Tender”), the Prior Club shall be the only Club with which the player may negotiate or sign a Player Contract during the period from June 1 until the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season, at 4:00 p.m. New York time. If the player’s Qualifying Offer is greater than 110% of the player’s Paragraph 5 Salary (with all other terms of his prior year contract carried forward unchanged), the Club may withdraw the Qualifying Offer on June 15 and retain its rights under the preceding sentence, so long as the Club immediately tenders the player a one year Player Contract of at least 110% of his Paragraph 5 Salary (with all other terms of his prior year contract carried forward unchanged) (the “June 15 Tender”).

(ii) If a Restricted Free Agent described in Subsection 2(i) (i) above has not signed a Player Contract by the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season, at 4:00 p.m. New York time, the player shall not play football in the NFL for the remainder of that League Year, absent a showing to the Impartial Arbitrator of extreme Club or extreme personal hardship. The determination of the Impartial Arbitrator shall be made within five days of the application, and shall consider all information relating to such hardship submitted by such date. The determination of the Impartial Arbitrator shall be final and binding upon all parties.

(iii) If a Restricted Free Agent does not play in the NFL in a League Year, his Prior Team shall have the right to tender such player any Qualifying Offer consistent with Section 2(b) prior to the next League Year’s Restricted Free Agent Signing Period. In the event such a Qualifying Offer is tendered, the Prior Team shallhave the applicable rights regarding such player according to such tender, and such player shall have the same rights regarding negotiations with other Clubs as he had the previous League Year.

(j) In the event that a Restricted Free Agent has not signed a Player Contract with a Club by June 1 in the League Year following the expiration of his last Player Contract, and if his Prior Club has not by that date made the applicable June 1 Tender to such player, or withdraws the tender, or in the event the Club has withdrawn the applicable June 15 Tender, the player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, and any Club may negotiate and sign a Player Contract with such player, without any penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period.

(k) Promptly upon but no later than two business days after the signing of any Restricted Free Agent to a Player Contract, or the extending to any Restricted Free Agent of a Qualifying Offer, the signing or extending Club shall notify the NFL, which shall notify the NFLPA of such signing or offer.

(l) Draft Choice Compensation under this Article shall be due in that League Year’s Draft unless the Offer Sheet is received by the Prior Club later than two days before that League Year’s Draft, in which case Draft Choice Compensation shall be due in the following League Year’s Draft.

(m) Notwithstanding the foregoing, in the event that the Prior Club of a Restricted Free Agent has tendered the player a Qualifying Offer pursuant to this Article XIX, Section 2(m) in an amount at least $500,000 greater than that specified by Subsections 2(b)(i)(5) or 2(b)(ii)(5) above, as applicable depending upon whether the League Year is a Capped Year or an Uncapped Year, or by Article LVI, Section 2(b), if applicable, then the Club shall have a Right of First Refusal and Draft Choice Compensation of only One First Round Selection, but any provision in an Offer Sheet to such player waiving or limiting the New Club’s ability to designate the player as a Franchise Player or Transition Player in the future shall not be a Principal Term, and therefore need not be included in a contract formed with the Prior Club as a result of matching such an Offer Sheet (but shall be included in a contract formed with the New Club as a result of the Prior Club not matching
such an Offer Sheet).

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

If you want to be really bored, here's the pertinent information, taken directly from the Collective Bargaining Agreement:

You'd be amazed at how bored I can be. As soon as I fold my towels and put my sheets in the dryer, I'm reading that.

I read parts and skimmed others. From what I did read, if he doesn't sign by the designated time, then he doesn't play that year. The whole thing basically starts over the next year. So, he can tell them what he thinks he's worth, but it's up to the Chiefs as to how much he's going to get at this point. He signs, or he doesn't play. No play would equal no money, so it would be foolish not to do so. If he signs the one year contract, does he then become a unrestricted free agent at the end of the year?

Football is actually an easy game to understand. Especially as simple Herm's offense is.

BTW, I had a friend call earlier. He's a fellow Chiefs fan. I was talking to him about a bad date and mentioned the draft. He said he didn't really pay attention to the offseason stuff. He went on to ask me who would be our starting QB this year. I told him that it would probably be Croyle with Huard as backup. He asked about Trent, and I was able to tell him that I doubted Trent would be a Chief much longer. I told him about the standstill we're in regarding him. If it wasn't for you guys answering my questions to where I would be able to understand what's going on in other threads, I would have never been able to do that. I was so proud of myself. Thanks guys!

You're very welcome!

Way to go!

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Originally Posted by luv

He basically has no leverage, because of the CBA. I actually didn't know all of that until I sat down and read it last night, at least the part about the entire process starting over again next year if he sits the season out and never signs the qualifying offer sheet. I thought it was also interesting to note that on June 15th, if he doesn't sign the original offer sheet, the Chiefs have the option of dropping their original $2.3 million tender and retendering him an offer at 110% of his salary from last year.

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Football is actually an easy game to understand. Especially as simple Herm's offense is.

Yeah, I really get tired of people who go around acting like it's rocket science.

The function of a tight end exactly?

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Originally Posted by luv

The function of a tight end exactly?

Tight ends were invented high atop a mountain in a Himalayan Buddhist shrine.

A group of monks gathered to discuss what would happen if an offensive lineman could be fast enough to play wide receiver, or if wide receivers could be big enough to play on the offensive line.

The idea proved impossible. No way somebody could be both that big and that fast. All the monks died in a fire of their own brainstorming.

Football minds started to gather, though, and decided that if you couldn't find someone who was both big enough to play offensive line, and fast enough to play wide receiver, that maybe you could create somebody in the middle who could do a little of both.

And the tight end was born.

He typically lines up next to the RT, but can stand up on the wings just like a WR, or line up next to the LT. Physically, he is usually right between what an OL is (300 pounds, 5.0+ 40 time) and a WR is (210 pounds, 4.5- 40 time). Usually they'll be 260 lbs, 4.7ish 40 time.

In the NFL recently, TEs have gotten more and more specialized. Many teams now have a receiving TE and a blocking TE that share playing time. The blocking TE primarily plays on the OL, and the receiving TE will be more likely to run a route for a pass.

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Originally Posted by luv

The function of a tight end exactly?

Okay, that question just sounded wrong.

I know I could look shit like this up, but I like getting it in layman's terms.