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pikesome 02-10-2009 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477439)
They would be much better if they would have kept Brees and used that draft pick for something else.

Could have had Larry Fitzgerald.

Mecca 02-10-2009 06:41 PM

If you're a big fan of the spread check this out...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=202128

"This is America, so we love to see the ball fly all over the place. But if you are going to make a living in the National Football League, you can't do it in the spread or shotgun formation, throwing the ball for 60 plays a game," Terry Robiskie said. "In the NFL, if you repeatedly leave those two tackles open, they are going to get beat. You can say it's a quick offense, and the ball is going to come out quick. That's accurate. But just as the ball comes out, that $80 million quarterback is going to get hit in his mouth and hit often. That's just the history of this game.

"On this level there are too many Jason Taylors and Bruce Smiths in this world, and they will be better than your best tackle."

Reaper16 02-10-2009 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5477445)
doesnt need one, just work on footwork. get the feet right everything else follows

You realize that Sanchez has superb footwork right now, don't you?

OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 5477424)
LMAO the spread absolutely helps the O line, come on Mecca you know better than that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477408)
He didn't, he just wasn't made of paper mache.

This.

Croyle was sacked 1 time in 2 starts: .5 sacks per game.

Huard was sacked 4 times in 3 starts: 1.3 sacks per game.

Thigpen was sacked 21 times in 11 starts: 1.9 sacks per game.


Thigpen got hit WAY more, which is what happens in the spread, yet he stayed healthy.

RealSNR 02-10-2009 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pikesome (Post 5477458)
Could have had Larry Fitzgerald.

The Chiefs could have won the Super Bowl in the 90s if.... lots of things.

Mecca 02-10-2009 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5477465)
You realize that Sanchez has superb footwork right now, don't you?

There are guys that were taken with top 10 picks from the spread that could never figure it out yet we're suppose to believe Thigpen can, I don't understand that.

DeezNutz 02-10-2009 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5477455)
Two minute drill in that very game if memory serves...
He helped get the offense in for 6 on an impressive drive.

I'm not remembering, so I'm not going to be intellectually dishonest with a reply.

I just remember thinking that game was a disaster, and I recall the scared talk going into the Jet game (even from Tony G. as a matter of fact) as a result.

notorious 02-10-2009 06:44 PM

No doubt, the spread hasn't done Jack S&^%.

Micjones 02-10-2009 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477463)
If you're a big fan of the spread check this out...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=202128

"This is America, so we love to see the ball fly all over the place. But if you are going to make a living in the National Football League, you can't do it in the spread or shotgun formation, throwing the ball for 60 plays a game," Terry Robiskie said. "In the NFL, if you repeatedly leave those two tackles open, they are going to get beat. You can say it's a quick offense, and the ball is going to come out quick. That's accurate. But just as the ball comes out, that $80 million quarterback is going to get hit in his mouth and hit often. That's just the history of this game.

"On this level there are too many Jason Taylors and Bruce Smiths in this world, and they will be better than your best tackle."

Thigpen never had 60 attempts last season.
The closest he came was 54.
Aside from that game he never had more than 38 in any one contest.

And I'm not arguing FOR the Chiefs staying with the Spread.
I'm just saying.

OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477415)
I have seen you in the past take the exact opposite stance on this. That a QB's success really isn't directly related to Super Bowl wins. What changed that?

I'm pretty sure the post you quoted says playoff wins, does it not?

Many QB's win playoff games.

Very few win SB's.

So no, I don't think winning a SB is a good barometer.

But you ought to be able to win some playoff games, and give your team a chance at the big game.

Hammock Parties 02-10-2009 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477079)
Why can't Thigpen improve?

Why can't Gus Frerotte improve?

Mecca 02-10-2009 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5477479)
Thigpen never had 60 attempts last season.
The closest he came was 54.
Aside from that game he never had more than 38 in any one contest.

60 is an purposely exaggerated number....it's saying when you are throwing at a 2-1 even 3-1 rate out of the shotgun constantly you are begging for your QB to get beat around.

DeezNutz 02-10-2009 06:47 PM

The quotation says "60 plays" not "60 pass attempts," FWIW. Slight difference.

MIAdragon 02-10-2009 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477467)
This.

Croyle was sacked 1 time in 2 starts: .5 sacks per game.

Huard was sacked 4 times in 3 starts: 1.3 sacks per game.

Thigpen was sacked 21 times in 11 starts: 1.9 sacks per game.


Thigpen got hit WAY more, which is what happens in the spread, yet he stayed healthy.

Now pull out the 13 sacks in games where Thiggy was not in the spread....

OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477448)
And I can link you to an article where an NFL coach thinks a spread QB is going to revolutionize the NFL.

Is that coach currently working?


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