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Chiefnj2 08-28-2009 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TFG (Post 6009609)
Actually, the distance the ball travels in the air is about 55 yards, since it is thrown in the middle of the field at about the 45 and caught on the sideline at the 15. The question was not the accuracy of the pass, but whether or not anyone could show me a video of a "deep pass" by Cassel that was not FLOATED. I am not questioning Matt's accuracy, but rather his arm strength. There is no way to deny that pass is floated. It has a high arc and spends about four seconds in the air. A "zipped" pass is "flat" and "fast." A "floater" is soft with lots of arc and much longer time in the air. So, once again, I ask the Red Planet here, can anyone show me a pass by Cassel of more than 25 yards in the air that is a ZIPPED flat fastball, not a floating arcing sky high softball???

Start the Jeopardy! music...

How about the Matty Ice I video?

TFG 08-28-2009 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6009668)
How about the Matty Ice I video?



Yes, indeed, that is a zipped ball. Thrown at the 14, caught at the 41...

Range 27 yards.

Sorry. I was wrong. I said Matt had 25 yards of zip. He actually has 27. Please forgive me.

Hammock Parties 08-28-2009 12:06 PM

This throw travels 42 yards (more if you account for the angle) and takes about 2.3 seconds (I noted the time in virtualdubmod from the frame of his release to the frame of the ball hitting the hands) to get there. Weak arm? Really?

http://i32.tinypic.com/29nta46.gif

Pioli Zombie 08-28-2009 12:11 PM

Same crap that was said about Brady. Weak arm. Can't throw it deep. In the meantime. Zip zip zip. Ball always got there
His arm is good enough. He's got the other intangibles that are more important.

Want arm strength. Get Jeff George.
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Chiefnj2 08-28-2009 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6009706)
This throw travels 42 yards (more if you account for the angle) and takes about 2.3 seconds (I noted the time in virtualdubmod from the frame of his release to the frame of the ball hitting the hands) to get there. Weak arm? Really?

http://i32.tinypic.com/29nta46.gif

In the Miami game he has a 32 yard rope in the 2nd half. The clip is up at nfl.com if you care to post it.

SAUTO 08-28-2009 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6009706)
This throw travels 42 yards (more if you account for the angle) and takes about 2.3 seconds (I noted the time in virtualdubmod from the frame of his release to the frame of the ball hitting the hands) to get there. Weak arm? Really?

http://i32.tinypic.com/29nta46.gif

but it left the screen so it was a floater

jidar 08-28-2009 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TFG (Post 6003225)
Is it just me or are the coaches and FO people from the Pats just so unbelievably arrogant that they simply believe that, whatever is on the roster, a 3-4 and a new QB are the solution? I mean, what on Earth would convince anyone that the Chiefs needed to go 3-4? A: Patriotic arrogance. Same in Denver too. Anyone and everyone ever to stand within a few feet of Bill Belichick is just an unreal genius who knows that the way to success in the NFL is to switch to a 3-4 regardless of what talent is on the roster and then give up anything and everything for a USC backup QB, including that no-good Jay Cutler.



My Chief offseason:

FIX THE OL = 1) Eugene Monroe ... and undrafteds Darryl Harris and Edwin Williams, and likely Jamon Meredith with that Round 5er. Yeah, hindsight is... OK, I would have Drafted all of those higher... and kept the 4-3, kept Jason Babin who was showing something, and grabbed Ron Brace in Round 2 to pair with Dorsey and STOP THE RUN...


The Pioli strategy has to be questioned. The OL was the overwhelming #1 need, and what... Colin Brown in Round 5, Goff as a UFA??? Man, that just doesn't exactly impress me at all. I'd call that the #1 goof or "regrettable decision" this offseason, with Cassel a Chief behind the goof of the attempt to make Cassel the Bronco...

#1 overwhelming need huh?


So the Chiefs D-line set an NFL record for least sacks in a season... I'm not sure it's so obvious as all of that.
Hrmmmm..... :hmmm:

DaneMcCloud 08-28-2009 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jidar (Post 6009744)
So the Chiefs D-line set an NFL record for least sacks in a season

D-line? Huh-uh.

The entire DEFENSE set the record for least amount of sacks in a single season at 10.

Personally, I don't see many more in store for the 2009 season. Who's going to get to the QB? Vrabel? Hali? Ha!

I'm actually extremely excited that the Chiefs moved back to the 3-4 defense but I think it's going to take at least one more offseason before we see any significant results in regards to sacks.

TFG 08-28-2009 12:42 PM

[QUOTE=GoChiefs;6009706]This throw travels 42 yards (more if you account for the angle) and takes about 2.3 seconds (I noted the time in virtualdubmod from the frame of his release to the frame of the ball hitting the hands) to get there. Weak arm? Really?

/QUOTE]


What is great about that one is that, once again, the ball is thrown so high it is out of the picture. Have another angle of that?

TFG 08-28-2009 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6009720)
Same crap that was said about Brady. Weak arm. Can't throw it deep. In the meantime. Zip zip zip. Ball always got there
His arm is good enough. He's got the other intangibles that are more important.

Want arm strength. Get Jeff George.
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Good example. Byron Leftwich is another. Leftwich can throw a flat 50 yard lazer. That doesn't make him a good QB.

Arm strength is, however, an important part of the arsenal. Without it, the offense is "limited" by it.

Hammock Parties 08-28-2009 12:50 PM

[quote=TFG;6009817]
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6009706)
This throw travels 42 yards (more if you account for the angle) and takes about 2.3 seconds (I noted the time in virtualdubmod from the frame of his release to the frame of the ball hitting the hands) to get there. Weak arm? Really?

/QUOTE]


What is great about that one is that, once again, the ball is thrown so high it is out of the picture. Have another angle of that?

It takes 2.3 seconds to get there.

Any faster and you're talking about Jeff George level arm strength.

The throw pretty much shows that Cassel has above-average arm strength. In no way does he have a weak arm.

TFG 08-28-2009 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jidar (Post 6009744)
#1 overwhelming need huh?


So the Chiefs D-line set an NFL record for least sacks in a season... I'm not sure it's so obvious as all of that.
Hrmmmm..... :hmmm:


Granted, the Chiefs had a pretty long list of "needs" this offseason. Jason Babin has looked really good for the Eagles. Wasn't he playing pretty well at the end of last year?

Even before a pass rush, a defense must STOP THE RUN, not give up 80 yarders to LenDale White. The Chiefs urgently need someone TOUGH in the middle of the DL. That dumb team in Foxboro got the one and only one player in the Draft to fit that description... Ron Brace of BC.

While the top of the Draft is well "covered," there were a lot of players in this Draft I really liked as "late/undrafted," and Darryl Harris was at the top of that list. Others:

6th Round

Brice McCain CB Utah (knock on him - no stats - wait, did they even throw at him??)
Myron Pryor DT Kentucky (First Round caliber athlete with injury and 'tude questions)
Stephen Hodge LB TCU (has knee probs right now, kid is a real force when healthy)


Undrafted

Edwin Williams C Maryland (my "best C in Draft" over Mack and the rest, flawless snapping motion, power, anchor, more athletic than given credit for, smart durable high character = PRAY the Skins cut this kid and the Chiefs grab him - a "reverse Lilja")
Reshard Langford S Vanderbilt (ran poorly on Pro Day, really a top player in all aspects)
Woodny Turenne CB Louisville (impressive before broken clavicle, ran sub 4.5 a few months after the injury, great player with ball skills and hips)
Lucas Taylor WR Tennessee (already waived/IR for Denver, was a Second Round grade in 2007 before injuries - real speed and hands)
Jacob Lacey CB Oklahoma State (world class man cover guy, skinny, not yet a good tackler)

TFG 08-28-2009 12:57 PM

[QUOTE=GoChiefs;6009853]
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Originally Posted by TFG (Post 6009817)

It takes 2.3 seconds to get there.

Any faster and you're talking about Jeff George level arm strength.

The throw pretty much shows that Cassel has above-average arm strength. In no way does he have a weak arm.


So it was faster than a punt = that's your claim?

Sorry, but I'd like to SEE IT before taking your word on the scale of seconds/yards...

Hammock Parties 08-28-2009 01:06 PM

[quote=TFG;6009878]
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6009853)


So it was faster than a punt = that's your claim?

Sorry, but I'd like to SEE IT before taking your word on the scale of seconds/yards...

Count it off yourself. 2.3 seconds.

The trajectory of the ball is irrelevant.

TFG 08-28-2009 01:15 PM

[QUOTE=GoChiefs;6009917]
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Originally Posted by TFG (Post 6009878)

Count it off yourself. 2.3 seconds.

The trajectory of the ball is irrelevant.



How can the trajectory of the ball be irrelevant if the question is specifically about trajectory - zipped or floated??? :rolleyes:


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