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Nightfyre 09-01-2009 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JOhn (Post 6022342)
:spock:

Please, I just have to hear this.:rolleyes:
Well, people are quantifying evil in terms of lives taken. Truman, through the use of nuclear weapons took in excess of 200,000 lives, the majority of which were civilian. However, you could qualify that by saying japanese civilians were warriors and that ultimately it saved nearly as many american lives simply through the use of the bomb. I'm just running with the standards of the board here though.
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JOhn 09-01-2009 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 6022423)
Well, people are quantifying evil in terms of lives taken. Truman, through the use of nuclear weapons took in excess of 200,000 lives, the majority of which were civilian. However, you could qualify that by saying japanese civilians were warriors and that ultimately it saved nearly as many american lives simply through the use of the bomb. I'm just running with the standards of the board here though.
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In that case Roosevelt took FAR more lives than Truman ever thought of. Hell throw Curtis LeMay in there also.

And in Truman's defense, he actually saved far more lives by dropping the bomb than would have been lost in continuing Fire Bombing raids & or the invasion of Japan.

crazycoffey 09-01-2009 01:23 PM
has anyone mentioned Whitlock yet?

Nightfyre 09-01-2009 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JOhn (Post 6022434)
In that case Roosevelt took FAR more lives than Truman ever thought of. Hell throw Curtis LeMay in there also.

And in Truman's defense, he actually saved far more lives by dropping the bomb than would have been lost in continuing Fire Bombing raids & or the invasion of Japan.
Interesting. LeMay had the nick name "Demon LeMay" in japan. I think we have a winner!
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Sweet Daddy Hate 09-01-2009 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 6022367)
hmmmm i always considered wes hardin more of a cold blooded murderer & wild bill more the iconic shootist.
Shooting a man for snoring too loud is not a crime; it's a public service.:fire:

Rain Man 09-01-2009 01:32 PM
Anyone have thoughts about William Calley? Does he make the cut?

Amnorix 09-01-2009 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6022100)
I'm not defending him so much as pointing out that your knowledge and understanding of history are simplistic at best and imbecilic at worst.
:rolleyes:

Did you think that I thought the bodies in the street were a bunch of priests?

Spare me. And spare me the condescending attitude. I haven't spent my adult lifetime reading little else but history to have you sit there and act like you're some kind of Harvard history professor. You're the one defending the mass murdering criminal here, not me.

patteeu 09-01-2009 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 6021890)
When I think "villian"....I dont necessarily think of "killer" per se.....I think of people who are as close to universally hated as possible....so with that in mind:

...
Nikolai Volkov and the Iron Sheik
Shanon Sharpe
...
Oh, good angle. How about:

Barry Manilow
Michael Bolton
Alex Rodriquez
Jeff Gordon

and especially...

Michael Jackson

MOhillbilly 09-01-2009 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6022416)
Hardin was pretty much unequalled in his prowess with a pistol. Even in later life he was still capable of pulling off amazing trick shots. Hickok himself was reluctant to challenge him.

But yes, he was definitely a cold blooded killer.
Ah, i remember that story. Harvey Logan is another bad mofo.

Coach 09-01-2009 01:42 PM
Sports agents

Amnorix 09-01-2009 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6022500)
Anyone have thoughts about William Calley? Does he make the cut?
mmmm....maybe. Several hundred men, women and children were killed. It's about on par with Wounded Knee though. I guess it depends on what degree of latitude you give for being "at war". I wouldn't be inclined to give too much, so you could definitely make a case for it depending on the standards you want to apply.

patteeu 09-01-2009 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 6022312)
No, I put the blame on jefferson davis and abraham lincoln both, thus dividing the total civil war casualties both ways making them co-villains.

Another person you could make a case for is truman.
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Technically, that's two people. :Poke:

ClevelandBronco 09-01-2009 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6022474)
Shooting a man for snoring too loud is not a crime; it's a public service.:fire:
John Wesley Hardin is an (obviously) distant cousin by marriage. I'm fascinated that he was one of "us." I've enjoyed reading about him. I guess I should be ashamed to admit that he's a member of our family.

BTW: I snore like a water buffalo. I guess I'm glad we didn't live at the same time and in the same hotel.

Nightfyre 09-01-2009 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6022561)
Technically, that's two people. :Poke:
Right, but if you just reread my first post while imposing my inflection, you totally would see that that's what I said from the start! ROFL I guess I'm just being inconcise.
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MOhillbilly 09-01-2009 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 6022578)
John Wesley Hardin is an (obviously) distant cousin by marriage. I'm fascinated that he was one of "us." I've enjoyed reading about him. I guess I should be ashamed to admit that he's a member of our family.

BTW: I snore like a water buffalo. I guess I'm glad we didn't live at the same time and in the same hotel.
i dated a girl who was also a distant relative.


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