Dude.....just warning you....but this dipshit is going to turn this into one big reeruned argument that will go nowhere. Abort now.

Both teams would be stupid to pass on Luck. They both reached on QB's because they didn't have one. Palmer locked out and Favre retired.

I'm setting the over/under on wins at 4. Our last win will be vs. Broncos at home. Will 4 wins be 'bad' enough?

No. I'll take the under at 3 wins, and that still wont be bad enough.

Any team that doesn't have a young QB which they think is very likely to become a top 5 QB in this league will draft Luck IMO. Look at what Peyton Manning has done for that Colts team.

Vikings and Bengals wil take Luck. Pretty much any team that has a chance outside of St-Louis I think.

Colts are not 0-4 yet, they still have to play tonight.

I am sticking by my thoughts that you can't really judge the Chiefs chances of the #1 pick until the MIN AND IND games. After the game next week we will know if we have a chance at that or if we are going to win 6ish games.

We played with a ton of heart yesterday. That being said MIN is terrible and we played them at home and still MIN had a chance at the end to win the game on the last drive. I know NFL games are played close and a win is a win. My point is I didn't see concrete proof that we will be out of the race or in it all season after last week.

They are playing hard and we do have some talent still healthy. If I did have to guess, I don't see us finishing with the worst record. Don't we lose the tie-breaker with everyone based on our strength of schedule?

Chiefs don't need Luck, pick up Jones. Just don't take Barkley, he'll be another USC reject like Cassel, Leinert, et al. If they are in position for Luck later, draft and TRADE! Need more help than simply jettisoning Cassel (ugh, he's soooo bad, like a reverse Favre).

I don't understand why anyone is that on Landry Jones. Barkley's pretty clearly a superior prospect in my mind.

I agree. I could see the Chiefs winning 4.

the games that I think they'll win are:

Miami, Indy, and Denver.

*I think out of those 3, Indy is the best chance for them to lose.

What if either the Rams, Vikings or even Jax finish with the worst record in football?

That would be an interesting case scenario.

All of those teams have potentially good young qb's. Do they draft Luck regardless? Or, what if you have other teams with no young quarterbacks ala Indy, KC but they don't end up with the #1 pick in the draft? Do those teams decide to make offers and trade up? It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out.

*BTW, I see the Colts drafting Luck IF they finish with the worst record in the league. I don't think there is any way they pass on him. My reasoning, 1) Manning isn't exactly healthy and who knows if he will be the same? 2) Manning is getting old, and sooner or later they are going to need a successor to replace him. Luck would be ideal for them. Simple as that.

Nobody is going to trade the Luck pick cuz of the new rookie scale. He'll come way cheap compared to any recent #1 pick... you get the next Elway at a backup QB price - you take him.

I think the Rams are a lock to trade the pick simply because of how much they have invested in Bradford. And I think the Panthers are similarly married to Newton as their guy. The Vikings, however, would probably trade Ponder and keep Luck. The Jaguars are somewhere in the middle; I think they like Gabbert, but they might be willing to trade him away and keep Luck depending on how things shake out.

I'll take the over, but it wont matter...4 will not be bad enough to get the 1st pick.

I stopped reading at the comma after the name Luck.

Agreed.