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Chiefs Pantalones 12-15-2011 09:02 PM
After seeing that you know he hated the position he was in. His hands were tied to say the least. I'm not disagreeing with Haley's dismissal, but any coach in the league would've gotten fired with Cassel/Palko at QB. And I really do believe he was starting Palko to say **** you to Pioli because Haley knew he was gone no matter what. Tonight's program really showed us what thought was just speculation before in a lot of areas.

Chiefs Pantalones 12-15-2011 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8207433)
To be fair, he never took any shots at Cassel, everyone else in the room did. He did say the Niners are the Chiefs of last year though.
That is taking a shot at Cassel dude lol

SenselessChiefsFan 12-15-2011 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8207420)
So you believe that Haley locked the doors the media room and wouldn't let them go to the bathroom without an escort. Just go on record right now and tell us. Was it Haley's policy or Pioli's?
Frankly, I don't know. I don't think that was Haley. I imagine it was Pioli. I don't know that the doors were unlocked last week.

I do know that Haley controlled who played, when meetings were held, when the worked out, and how he answered questions.

I don't think that Pioli has handled everything right, but when it comes to their relationship, I believe that Haley was the one who was most responsible for the breakdown.

FringeNC 12-15-2011 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan (Post 8207429)
And, where is Thigpen starting?
They are both backup caliber QBs. I'd rather have Thigpen as my backup compared to Cassel.

threebag 12-15-2011 09:07 PM
We would have been better off letting Pioli go. Clark moving into a
Jerry Jones type roll. To make the transition seamless he could have waived Matt Cassel. Then come up with some catchy little phrase like "just win baby". Imagine the action on this board then.

Hammock Parties 12-15-2011 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8207433)
To be fair, he never took any shots at Cassel, everyone else in the room did. He did say the Niners are the Chiefs of last year though.


The Niners are frauds?

aturnis 12-15-2011 09:09 PM
Is there any place I can watch this online? I missed it and would really like to see it for myself.

Hammock Parties 12-15-2011 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by threebag02 (Post 8207448)
Then come up with some catchy little phrase like "just win baby". Imagine the action on this board then.
"Just bankroll, baby"

BigCatDaddy 12-15-2011 09:10 PM
God, I can't believe I'm saying this but does anyone else think Todd would have been a better coach under Carl Peterson? King Carl for all his faults seem to let the coaches put their stamp on the team. I'm not saying he is a better GM at all, but I think Haley would have done better.

Marty, Gunther, Vermeil, Herm, each of their teams had the identity of the coach stamped all over it. I don't feel like this was ever a Haley stamped team. In fact the Haley reign was very schizophrenic. I still got the feeling I don't know what kind of coach Haley is and can be.

Chiefs Pantalones 12-15-2011 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8207450)
The Niners are frauds?
He was bluntly taking a shot at the Chiefs and passive aggressively taking a shot at Cassel. You could tell. Dude hated Cassel.

DaWolf 12-15-2011 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan (Post 8207440)
I don't think that Pioli has handled everything right, but when it comes to their relationship, I believe that Haley was the one who was most responsible for the breakdown.
That's all speculation. They both likely had a part in it. Todd's volatility and inability to get along with his own coaches would probably suggest that he has a major issue in terms of getting along and building consensus. I see Todd as a control freak, and Pioli, while less volatile, is also a control freak. You put two control freaks together, it wont end pretty...

Smed1065 12-15-2011 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan (Post 8207363)
A little misguided. I said he was better than he was given credit for. I don't consider him an elite coach, but he wasn't as bad as people on here said he was.

He had certain mannerisms that made people on here get annoyed by him.

Oddly, the defenders of Haley talk about lack of talent. Yet, Herm had even less talent. Herm took over an old team and completely tore it down and was rebuilding it.

Haley was handed a better QB than Herm had.... and a bunch of young ascending talent.

People gripe about the Chiefs not developing a young QB. Yet, Herm was moving that direction. He was trying to develop a young QB. Heck, had Herm still been here, the Chiefs might have actually drafted Sanchez.

When the Chiefs drafted Dorsey, Herm has said subsequently that he wanted to draft Matt Ryan, but that the Falcons had taken him.

Herm could be coaching right now if he wanted to. He doesn't. He likes his analyst job. Makes similar money for a lot less work.... and has incredible job security.

As far as Haley getting a head job.... I guess we will have to see.
So did PeeHoli add them or did Haley coach em?

htismaqe 12-15-2011 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan (Post 8207440)
Frankly, I don't know. I don't think that was Haley. I imagine it was Pioli. I don't know that the doors were unlocked last week.

I do know that Haley controlled who played, when meetings were held, when the worked out, and how he answered questions.

I don't think that Pioli has handled everything right, but when it comes to their relationship, I believe that Haley was the one who was most responsible for the breakdown.
Several members of the media have now reported that the locks came off the doors the day after Haley was fired and Romeo was introduced.

If you "imagine" that it was Pioli who ordered them locked in the first place, then what possible motive could he have for doing a complete 180 immediately after releasing Haley? He's either trying to make it look like it was Haley's fault or he got slapped by Clark and told to shape up or he's gone too.

SenselessChiefsFan 12-15-2011 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8207431)
It will be even more curious when they're no closer to a Super Bowl next year...
I bet they will be a lot closer. They are currently 5-8. That projects out to 6-10.

I bet that the Chiefs will be better than 6-10 next year.

DaWolf 12-15-2011 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 8207457)
God, I can't believe I'm saying this but does anyone else think Todd would have been a better coach under Carl Peterson? King Carl for all his faults seem to let the coaches put their stamp on the team. I'm not saying he is a better GM at all, but I think Haley would have done better.

Marty, Gunther, Vermeil, Herm, each of their teams had the identity of the coach stamped all over it. I don't feel like this was ever a Haley stamped team. In fact the Haley reign was very schizophrenic. I still got the feeling I don't know what kind of coach Haley is and can be.
No, not really.

"Hey Dick, you want me to draft some other guy, well shove it. Here's Larry Johnson."


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