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Chiefspants 12-20-2011 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8222143)
Terrible odds. Enough for me to pass on Romeo.

So, 30 coaches have won a superbowl in NFL history out of how many? What are the odds there, Clay?

Phobia 12-20-2011 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 8222141)
Well said. Not that I should get on people for not giving in during an arguement.

I don't have a problem with somebody sticking to their guns but when their guns are on the ocean floor, then maybe its time to let those guns sink alone. I'm about 50% convinced he's trolling me though. I don't think he's brilliant but there's no way he's this dense.

Hammock Parties 12-20-2011 04:07 AM

FYI, there's no agenda. I'm legitimately terrified of Romeo as our next head coach. Worst case scenario, he actually wins a few games with the talent we have in place, McDaniels is the OC, Romeo retires in 3-4 years and McDaniels becomes the new HC.

Scares the shit out of me.

johnny961 12-20-2011 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 8222073)
Maybe most lose their drive at a certain age. Romeo obviously hasn't.

This. Most probably lose any drive to coach as they get older. But as long as a candidate is capable of physically doing the job and has the drive I really don't see where age makes a hell of alot of difference.

Phobia 12-20-2011 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 8222147)
So, 30 coaches have won a superbowl in NFL history out of how many? What are the odds there, Clay?

Roughly... you have 44 SuperBowls. 33 superbowl winners so 11 winners are multiples like Noll, Landry, Walsh, and BB. Guessing there are a comparable number of multiple losers like Levy. So figure 66-70 total SuperBowl coaches.

Chiefspants 12-20-2011 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8222154)
Roughly... you have 44 SuperBowls. 33 superbowl winners so 11 winners are multiples like Noll, Landry, Walsh, and BB. Guessing there are a comparable number of multiple losers like Levy. So figure 66-70 total SuperBowl coaches.

So, take that 33 out of the 448 head coaches who have ever coached in the nfl, and you come out with a worse percentage than Clay's 3/27 ratio.

Phobia 12-20-2011 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8222152)
FYI, there's no agenda. I'm legitimately terrified of Romeo as our next head coach. Worst case scenario, he actually wins a few games with the talent we have in place, McDaniels is the OC, Romeo retires in 3-4 years and McDaniels becomes the new HC.

Scares the shit out of me.

I don't think you've come to realize that the NFL is about talent, execution, and a whole lot of luck. We could bring Belechick to KC tomorrow and not win a SuperBowl. Sometimes good coaches fail. Sometimes bad coaches get very lucky. It doesn't have jack to do with age, hair-style, color, pedigree, or even coaching tree.

Now, I'm not downplaying the role of head coach because we all know about having morons wearing that hat. But the head coach isn't going to be the sole catalyst for taking the Chiefs to the promised land.

AustinChief 12-20-2011 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8222154)
Roughly... you have 44 SuperBowls. 33 superbowl winners so 11 winners are multiples like Noll, Landry, Walsh, and BB. Guessing there are a comparable number of multiple losers like Levy. So figure 66-70 total SuperBowl coaches.

Close.. 28 coaches have won a superbowl, an additional 20 have gone but never won.

I may be off by 1 or 2 on the 20 figure, but it's close.

Phobia 12-20-2011 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 8222158)
So, take that 33 out of the 448 head coaches who have ever coached in the nfl, and you come out with a worse percentage than Clay's 3/27 ratio.

Preaching the choir. He's not interested in logic here.

Hammock Parties 12-20-2011 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8222160)
I don't think you've come to realize that the NFL is about talent, execution, and a whole lot of luck.

It would seem coaches over 63 aren't lucky.

Phobia 12-20-2011 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8222164)
It would seem coaches over 63 aren't lucky.

Because Marv Levy's age made Scott Norwood miss that kick. He just couldn't put it through the uprights because of his ancient coach.

|Zach| 12-20-2011 04:56 AM

I would be fine with it.

Hammock Parties 12-20-2011 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8222168)
Because Marv Levy's age made Scott Norwood miss that kick. He just couldn't put it through the uprights because of his ancient coach.

Even if Norwood makes it, you're still only looking at 4 coaches in 40+ years.

I'm sure the stars will align for our franchise in the next four years under Romeo, though.

Phobia 12-20-2011 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8222173)
Even if Norwood makes it, you're still only looking at 4 coaches in 40+ years.

I'm sure the stars will align for our franchise in the next four years under Romeo, though.

Okay, let's play it your way then. Since your probability stick goes both ways then the Chiefs franchise has won one out of 44 SuperBowls. Wouldn't that mean, using your logic, that any coach KC hired would be unable to win a SuperBowl? I mean, since you're using statistics and history to determine the age window of our next head coach? I'd like to figure out your exact algorithm... What should be the ideal age, Clay?

Have there been any red-headed SuperBowl winning coaches? We need to figure these important factors out in advance before we submit our approved candidate list to Clark.

Hammock Parties 12-20-2011 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8222179)
the Chiefs franchise has won one out of 44 SuperBowls. Wouldn't that mean, using your logic, that any coach KC hired would be unable to win a SuperBowl?

No. Because each Chiefs team is different, with it's own set of independent variables.

For instance, one of those variables - we keep hiring shitty head coaches. We have now had 5 head coaches in 13 years. So we should definitely seek to continue this trend with another short-term hire.


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