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Pasta Little Brioni 02-11-2012 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8365297)
The Rams have a very good veteran in Brandon Lloyd already. Blackmon would do fine as a #2 WR--even if it takes him time to develop, it's hard to believe it would take him long to be a significant upgrade at #2.

If their top priority is LT, that makes the argument for Bowe even worse. Because you can draft a stud LT like Kalil and use free agency to bring in a receiver. Unlike WR, for a team that has no money, that's going to be a very difficult position for the Rams to get past #4.

The Rams invested a number 2 overall pick in Jason Smith and spent a high 2nd on Saffold. It would be a collosal waste of resources and they might as well change thier team name to the St. Louis Sacofpoos.

O.city 02-11-2012 11:54 AM

The Rams can trade likely with the Browns and get two first round picks. The key is that they only have to move back 2 spots and can still get Blackmon or Kalil.

Then with that other first round pick they can get a wr or tackle, whichever one they didn't take. They can get those two players and pay them less than they would have to pay Bowe.

While I do think Bowe is a great wr, it makes no sense financially for the Rams, who don't have any cap space.

chiefzilla1501 02-11-2012 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8365292)
Absolute hogwash. He's on a similar if not better track than Andre Johnson through 5 years in the league with shit QB play to boot. He absolutely can be an elite reciever in this league.

Bowe is a good receiver. I would sign him to a huge contract yesterday.

But is he in the same class as Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, or Megatron? Absolutely not. And that has nothing to do with the QB. When I see Bowe take over games the way they do, maybe. Statistically, yes, he matches up. But he's not in the same league as those guys.

chiefzilla1501 02-11-2012 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8365305)
well ... you have it all figured out then.

you should talk to the Rams about a job.

I'd get the job over you, given that your plan is to buy expensive players when your cap is already tight and to trade away 10-year prospects so my rebuilding team can win today.

Brock 02-11-2012 12:17 PM

He would be if he didn't have garbage QBs his entire career.

O.city 02-11-2012 12:17 PM

Those guys have really good qbs throwing them the ball. It's hard for Bowe to take over a game when every other ball is high or low.


Look at what Fitz has done since Warner left.

chiefzilla1501 02-11-2012 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8365308)
The Rams invested a number 2 overall pick in Jason Smith and spent a high 2nd on Saffold. It would be a collosal waste of resources and they might as well change thier team name to the St. Louis Sacofpoos.

When you have a franchise QB with an injury history, there is nothing wrong with stacking your team with Left Tackles. That's the same garbage mentality that would have the Lions passing up on Megatron because they messed up on Rodgers and Mike Williams.

The Rams absolutely have to upgrade their Left Tackle. It is mission critical. They don't have a ton of money in free agency. So you think you should put Bradford at risk just to save face?

O.city 02-11-2012 12:20 PM

Kalil is a great LT prospect. They could potentially come away with Kalil and the second best wr prospect in the draft in round 1.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-11-2012 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8365351)
Bowe is a good receiver. I would sign him to a huge contract yesterday.

But is he in the same class as Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, or Megatron? Absolutely not. And that has nothing to do with the QB. When I see Bowe take over games the way they do, maybe. Statistically, yes, he matches up. But he's not in the same league as those guys.

It doesn't? ROFL Seriously?

Pasta Little Brioni 02-11-2012 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8365362)
When you have a franchise QB with an injury history, there is nothing wrong with stacking your team with Left Tackles. That's the same garbage mentality that would have the Lions passing up on Megatron because they messed up on Rodgers and Mike Williams.

The Rams absolutely have to upgrade their Left Tackle. It is mission critical. They don't have a ton of money in free agency. So you think you should put Bradford at risk just to save face?

Great, so the rest of thier team can be shit because they have so much invested on the line. If they trade down and grab both of Cleveland's first that would be a bit different.

Bradford hasn't proven enough to be called a franchise QB anyway...I reserve that title for folks who have earned it.

chiefzilla1501 02-11-2012 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8365359)
Those guys have really good qbs throwing them the ball. It's hard for Bowe to take over a game when every other ball is high or low.


Look at what Fitz has done since Warner left.

Fitz is doing just fine without Warner. He had one of his most productive seasons last year behind QBs worse than Cassel.

I'm not talking about statistically. I'm talking about... in the playoffs, do I have any confidence that Bowe is going to beat guys like Revis and Asomugah and Champ Bailey consistently? I'm sorry, but I've seen plenty of games where Bowe gets smothered by a very good corner, regardless of QB play. Guys like Randy Moss and TO in their prime, and Fitzgerald and Megatron and Andre Johnson are unguardable, even against the league's best. And that's leaving out the point that while Bowe has QB disadvantages, he also has had enormous advantages for most of his career. Like having Tony Gonzalez draw double and triple teams. Like teams loading 8 in the box and leaving Bowe one-on-one without much outside help.

I like Bowe as a WR. But I think we're being homers if we think he's among the league's elite. He is just a notch below that.

chiefzilla1501 02-11-2012 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8365372)
Great, so the rest of thier team can be shit because they have so much invested on the line. If they trade down and grab both of Cleveland's first that would be a bit different.

Umm... we all know that a franchise QB is critical for a franchise. Would I invest a shitload to keep my fragile QB on the field and off his back? Every ****ing time.

Brock 02-11-2012 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8365375)
Fitz is doing just fine without Warner. He had one of his most productive seasons last year behind QBs worse than Cassel.


So did Dwayne Bowe.

O.city 02-11-2012 12:28 PM

We all want Bowe to be at that level. I don't think he will be. I think Fitz and Megatron are just physically better than everyone. I think Johnson is there too but it took him a little longer to figure it out.

I think Bowe is probably a top 5 or 6 wr. Is he a top 3 guy. No, but he doesn't have to be. I think he's a great possesion wr, who can be more with the right qb.

I think he has alot of room to grow.

And teams did load 8 in the box but Bowe didn't seem to get alot of one on ones. His only playoff game he had bracket coverage and a qb who didn't even throw a ball his way.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-11-2012 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8365379)
Umm... we all know that a franchise QB is critical for a franchise. Would I invest a shitload to keep my fragile QB on the field and off his back? Every ****ing time.

If he truly was a "franchise QB", we wouldn't be talking about the line would we? He'd get rid of the ball on time and raise the level of his teammates around him. I thought that was the definition of a "franchise QB"?


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