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cosmo20002 11-09-2015 06:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 11872237)
9. Alex Gordon – Royals. Five years, $105MM. Gordon was drafted second overall by the Royals in 2005, one pick after Upton. He has become one of the game’s best left fielders, combining elite defense with excellent on-base skills and decent pop. Gordon’s left-handed bat would look great in a lot of lineups, but most MLBTR writers expect him to remain in Kansas City. How far will the World Champion Royals push the hometown discount? We feel Gordon’s earning power is around $100MM, so it’s hard to picture him accepting something below $75MM.

I honestly don't think I've seen any writer, national or local, predict he'll stay here. Guess I'm not looking in the right places.

tmw4h5 11-09-2015 06:26 PM
If we hit on just a few players out of the list of Mondesi, Starling, Zimmer, Dozier, Griffin, Almonte, Binford, Bonifacio, Blewett, Cuthbert, Russell, Watson -- I don't see a reason why this window has to close and why we have to go into rebuilding mode. Sure, if 2017 rolls around and we're playing poorly by the break, by all means, trade away some pieces that we know we won't be able to re-sign. But, I don't see a reason for a complete breakdown of operations and a full rebuild.

(KC Royals prospect Bubba Starling is continuing his 2015 breakout at the plate by hitting .308/.326/.558 with four home runs in 14 games in the Arizona Fall League (AFL) - from Royals Review),

RealSNR 11-09-2015 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 11872891)
Uh oh, Twins looking to add some pop

Win the rights to bargain with Korean slugger Byrug Ho Park


http://mweb.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...-byung-ho-park
They've already got some pop in their hitting. The trick is going to be finding a spot in the field for either Sano or this new guy. They can't both be DH (and if they are, it's kind of a waste of resources)

cosmo20002 11-09-2015 06:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 11872757)
This team is going to be rebuilding after 2017. We may never see a core group of guys like this again in our lifetimes. Why not sellout to keep Gordon and Zobrist, enter 2016 and likely 2017 as WS favorites, and who cares if that screws us for a few years after 2017?

Opportunities for a 4-year WS run basically never come along for a team like the Royals. We have to go for this.
That's basically how I feel. Keeping the team a top contender the next two years also helps keep the revenue coming in through attendance, hopefully those postseason games, and of course that next TV contract. Spend $ to make $.

I hope Dayton doesn't think that his near-perfect record on acquisitions the past couple years is going to last forever and that he can find a couple replacements for Gordon and Z if he just crunches the sabermetrics hard enough.

Pitt Gorilla 11-09-2015 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tmw4h5 (Post 11872904)
If we hit on just a few players out of the list of Mondesi, Starling, Zimmer, Dozier, Griffin, Almonte, Binford, Bonifacio, Blewett, Cuthbert, Russell, Watson -- I don't see a reason why this window has to close and why we have to go into rebuilding mode. Sure, if 2017 rolls around and we're playing poorly by the break, by all means, trade away some pieces that we know we won't be able to re-sign. But, I don't see a reason for a complete breakdown of operations and a full rebuild.

(KC Royals prospect Bubba Starling is continuing his 2015 breakout at the plate by hitting .308/.326/.558 with four home runs in 14 games in the Arizona Fall League (AFL) - from Royals Review),
I've been beating this drum for a while, but the competitive balance draft has been boning us. We've been insanely unlucky in the past two years, missing out completely on a pick. That could have really helped us going forward (down the road).

WhawhaWhat 11-10-2015 07:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 11872891)
Uh oh, Twins looking to add some pop

Win the rights to bargain with Korean slugger Byrug Ho Park


http://mweb.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...-byung-ho-park
Also a bat flip superstar. Hope to see that over here just not against the Royals.

http://mlbfancave.mlb.com/assets/ima...g_pj7gux6z.gif

duncan_idaho 11-10-2015 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tmw4h5 (Post 11872904)
If we hit on just a few players out of the list of Mondesi, Starling, Zimmer, Dozier, Griffin, Almonte, Binford, Bonifacio, Blewett, Cuthbert, Russell, Watson -- I don't see a reason why this window has to close and why we have to go into rebuilding mode. Sure, if 2017 rolls around and we're playing poorly by the break, by all means, trade away some pieces that we know we won't be able to re-sign. But, I don't see a reason for a complete breakdown of operations and a full rebuild.

(KC Royals prospect Bubba Starling is continuing his 2015 breakout at the plate by hitting .308/.326/.558 with four home runs in 14 games in the Arizona Fall League (AFL) - from Royals Review),
2018 looks to be a rebuilding year, but it be a quick turnaround rebuild if a few things go well, rather than a complete descent into the suck.

Ventura and Perez will still be there. If one of Zimmer/Almonte becomes an effective MLB starter in the next two seasons, 40 percent of your starting rotation is home-grown and cost-controlled. Even if they do rip up Salvy's contract and say, double it, he's still an extreme bargain.

They need one of Starling/Bonifacio to become an effective every day player who can provide some offense.

And they Mondesi to be what they think he can be (a great defensive shortstop who is a plus bat at the position... .280/15/.330 OBP/.450 SLG type).

One way or the other, KC looks to be in line for a SLEW of compensation picks following 2017, unless the CBA is drastically changed.

Hosmer
Moustakas
Duffy
Davis
Escobar
Cain

All guys who would likely command a QO and still get signed elsewhere.

I could see them working out extensions for Davis and one of Cain/Moustakas when the time comes... which also would make that 2018 window a little more open.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 11872891)
Uh oh, Twins looking to add some pop

Win the rights to bargain with Korean slugger Byrug Ho Park


http://mweb.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...-byung-ho-park
Said player was out-performed in the Korean league by former major leaguer Marcus Thames this year. He's a quality prospect, but I don't think he's Jose Abreu.

The Twins will still have to agree to terms with Park, and that's no guarantee.

Minnesota might have to trade Trevor Plouffe, who has been a solid player for the Twins, to make things work if they do sign Park.

ReynardMuldrake 11-10-2015 10:07 AM
To give you an idea of how far we've come, this article is from Dec. 2012. Amazing that we've almost doubled our payroll since then.

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By BOB DUTTON
The Kansas City Star

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Royals owner David Glass created a stir recently in revealing $70 million to be the budgeted break-even point for the club’s 2013 payroll.

Well, the financial pinch is a lot tighter than initially believed.

That $70 million includes far more than salaries allocated to the 25-man roster for opening day. Club officials say it encompasses the entire 40-man roster and also includes the signing bonus limits for the draft and international spending.

That reduces the break-even point for the 25-man roster – the figure generally used for comparison purposes in public discussions – to roughly $57 million. The draft and international limits under the new labor agreement comprise about $10 million.

It also means, as things currently stand, the Royals are already over budget since the projected payroll for their 25-man roster is roughly $65 million.

Glass expressed willingness to subsidize the payroll at a moderate level, which he said he has often done in the past, but the numbers explain why general manager Dayton Moore believes any further payroll additions will likely require corresponding cuts.

“I’ve always been willing to spend whatever cash we’ve generated on payroll,” Glass said, “and I’ve even been willing to subsidize it under conditions where we have an opportunity to be competitive in our division. I’ve never changed from that.”

While top club officials, present and past, affirm Glass’ contention that he doesn’t pocket an operating profit, those assertions are a stark contrast to figures published by Forbes magazine, which contend Glass made about $100 million from 2000-11.

Major League Baseball has long contended the Forbes figures, which are calculated without access to club financial statements, are wildly inaccurate.

“Mr. Glass has gone above and beyond,” Moore said, “in supporting our team in everything we’ve wanted to do internationally, through the draft and in building and improving our major-league payroll. He’s been extremely supportive.

“We’ve signed virtually every single player who we’ve identified as being worthy of a long-term contract. Does he ask tough questions? Yeah, but there’s not anybody I’ve ever met who is more passionate or a better historian of the game. He owns a major-league team for all of the right reasons.”

Saul Good 11-10-2015 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11873805)
2018 looks to be a rebuilding year, but it be a quick turnaround rebuild if a few things go well, rather than a complete descent into the suck.

Ventura and Perez will still be there. If one of Zimmer/Almonte becomes an effective MLB starter in the next two seasons, 40 percent of your starting rotation is home-grown and cost-controlled. Even if they do rip up Salvy's contract and say, double it, he's still an extreme bargain.

They need one of Starling/Bonifacio to become an effective every day player who can provide some offense.

And they Mondesi to be what they think he can be (a great defensive shortstop who is a plus bat at the position... .280/15/.330 OBP/.450 SLG type).

One way or the other, KC looks to be in line for a SLEW of compensation picks following 2017, unless the CBA is drastically changed.

Hosmer
Moustakas
Duffy
Davis
Escobar
Cain

All guys who would likely command a QO and still get signed elsewhere.

I could see them working out extensions for Davis and one of Cain/Moustakas when the time comes... which also would make that 2018 window a little more open.



Said player was out-performed in the Korean league by former major leaguer Marcus Thames this year. He's a quality prospect, but I don't think he's Jose Abreu.

The Twins will still have to agree to terms with Park, and that's no guarantee.

Minnesota might have to trade Trevor Plouffe, who has been a solid player for the Twins, to make things work if they do sign Park.
QOs are interesting to me, as teams clearly have not figured out how to use them effectively. The last I had seen, not a single player had accepted one. That means teams aren't using them enough, thus a lot of picks are being left on the table. If nobody is accepting the offers, they aren't being issued often enough.

mikeyis4dcats. 11-10-2015 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11873835)
QOs are interesting to me, as teams clearly have not figured out how to use them effectively. The last I had seen, not a single player had accepted one. That means teams aren't using them enough, thus a lot of picks are being left on the table. If nobody is accepting the offers, they aren't being issued often enough.
I think some of it is no one wants to be THAT guy, the first to accept one. QOs seem to me to be regarded as lowball offers for the most part. Those that are close to being worth the money aren't getting one because they are signing deals anyhow, only big money players are getting them, and more as a formality.

siberian khatru 11-10-2015 12:04 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a> officials privately more optimistic about keeping Ben Zobrist than teams&#39; other big free agents -- Gordon or Cueto.</p>&mdash; Jerry Crasnick (@jcrasnick) <a href="https://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/664134712626192384">November 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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RealSNR 11-10-2015 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 11874071)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a> officials privately more optimistic about keeping Ben Zobrist than teams&#39; other big free agents -- Gordon or Cueto.</p>&mdash; Jerry Crasnick (@jcrasnick) <a href="https://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/664134712626192384">November 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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I don't think anybody was expecting Cueto, but Zobrist over Gordon is a bit of a shock to me.

Bowser 11-10-2015 12:06 PM
Haven't read the thread in a bit, but is the rumor of Joe Maddon wanting Alex in Chicago still going strong?

Saul Good 11-10-2015 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 11874077)
Haven't read the thread in a bit, but is the rumor of Joe Maddon wanting Alex in Chicago still going strong?
They really don't have a spot for him unless they want to move a gold glover to RF.

duncan_idaho 11-10-2015 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11874079)
They really don't have a spot for him unless they want to move a gold glover to RF.

I was told they talked to him about RF when converting him in the minors, but he wasn't comfortable reading fly balls on "that" side of the field.

I'd be shocked if he signed somewhere knowing they plan to move him to RF.

Re: More QOs...

I think teams are very judicious with them because you don't want to get stuck with a marginal guy.

From the players side, it might seem a little too close to the pre-Curt Flood days for some. I think we see some accepted this year.


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