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BigRedChief 08-15-2020 04:02 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Showing off his 50 speed grade. The future is bright. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stlcards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stlcards</a> <a href="https://t.co/o73d68lYfK">https://t.co/o73d68lYfK</a></p>&mdash; Cardinal Metrics (@CardinalMetrics) <a href="https://twitter.com/CardinalMetrics/status/1294755761940201474?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jewish Rabbi 08-15-2020 04:13 PM

Reyes with a nice inning. Would be huge to finally get him back.

BigRedChief 08-15-2020 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 15115682)
Reyes with a nice inning. Would be huge to finally get him back.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Alex Reyes bringing the heat. Faces three and strikes out three in season debut. His velo for the strike 3s: 99.5, 98.2, 98.2. That is great to see! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a></p>&mdash; Cardinals Magazine (@CardsMagazine) <a href="https://twitter.com/CardsMagazine/status/1294759407205720067?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

BigRedChief 08-15-2020 05:26 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Proud moment!!! <a href="https://t.co/88rh3ook3g">pic.twitter.com/88rh3ook3g</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Carlson (@ElkGroveBB) <a href="https://twitter.com/ElkGroveBB/status/1294760906690162689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

BigRedChief 08-15-2020 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 15115682)
Reyes with a nice inning. Would be huge to finally get him back.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Welcome back! <a href="https://t.co/rdfleVPlRT">https://t.co/rdfleVPlRT</a></p>&mdash; stlCupofJoe (@stlCupofJoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/stlCupofJoe/status/1294792029667549190?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

VAChief 08-16-2020 06:20 AM

Reyes was throwing more fluidly than I last saw him especially with the fastball. Still inconsistent with his breaking pitches, but a great first outing back nonetheless.

BigRedChief 08-16-2020 12:59 PM

This guy looks like the real deal.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cardscaptions?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#cardscaptions</a> <a href="https://t.co/5HAtOHRh5N">https://t.co/5HAtOHRh5N</a> <a href="https://t.co/asi81epaIo">pic.twitter.com/asi81epaIo</a></p>&mdash; cardinalsgifs (@cardinalsgifs) <a href="https://twitter.com/cardinalsgifs/status/1295068525959102464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DJ's left nut 08-16-2020 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 15115914)
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Welcome back! <a href="https://t.co/rdfleVPlRT">https://t.co/rdfleVPlRT</a></p>&mdash; stlCupofJoe (@stlCupofJoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/stlCupofJoe/status/1294792029667549190?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He's still late off and dragging his pitching arm.

It'll give him filthy stuff until he breaks down. Again.

Very very few pitchers can physically hold together throwing a ball like that and Reyes has already proved he's not one of them. Frustrates me that they let him start doing that 5 years ago and it frustrates me even more that they didn't take 2 years worth of wasted service time and at least used it to calm that delivery down.

Yeah, he'd lose 3-4 MPH, but he'd get more movement, his curveball would improve and he'd probably be able to actually take the mound (even start games) for a full season.

Reyes just looks like a tragic right-off to me even when he's throwing fire.

BigRedChief 08-16-2020 03:08 PM

Hey DJ and or others in the know, that Seth Elledge looked like he had fantastic stuff. Was it just a good day for the guy or can he pitch like that consistently?

Edit from a tweet:
acquired him in a trade with the @Mariners for Sam Tuivailala.

Elledge averaged greater than 10 K/9 in his time in minors.

Jewish Rabbi 08-17-2020 08:33 PM

Dilly Bar finna hit a walk off HR

Marco Polo 08-18-2020 07:21 AM

I was able to watch a few innings yesterday. I've missed baseball. Just wish I could watch them more without subscribing to MLB.tv.

DJ's left nut 08-18-2020 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 15116786)
Hey DJ and or others in the know, that Seth Elledge looked like he had fantastic stuff. Was it just a good day for the guy or can he pitch like that consistently?

Edit from a tweet:
acquired him in a trade with the @Mariners for Sam Tuivailala.

Elledge averaged greater than 10 K/9 in his time in minors.

He was a 40 man acquisition. Tui was out of options, we had a 40 man crunch and Elledge was still a year away from needing to be added to be protected from the Rule 5 when the deal was made. It cleared both a 25 man and 40 man spot for the upcoming offseason.

I felt at the time like the Mariners had unnecessarily slow-played him and he was ready for a jump in competition. Then he was super mediocre in AA and kinda made me look dumb.

I've sorta felt like he can be another Maness/Thompson sort of 7th inning bridge reliever. My guess is, like those guys, he'll get in trouble if he elevates at all. Typical sinker/slider reliever who can get outs if he can keep hitters from being able to spit on his slider (which they'll be able to do if he's elevating his sinker; location will telegraph the pitch).

Every team has a few guys like this and they'll pitch for 5 years, give you two completely confusing really good ones (think Mitchell Boggs in 2012), then one day they'll have a bad outing...then another...then another and that'll be that.

Fine guy to have - they'll probably get some mileage out of him and if he, Gallegos and Hicks can give you 3 years of steady back end relief, you're probably in pretty damn good shape. Especially with guys like Fernandez and the inevitable Alex Reyes: wild-ass reliever carnival ride.

I prefer Woodford as a long-term asset who's as likely as not to end up in the 'pen and Kodi Whitley as a true jam reliever.

BigRedChief 08-18-2020 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15119632)
He was a 40 man acquisition. Tui was out of options, we had a 40 man crunch and Elledge was still a year away from needing to be added to be protected from the Rule 5 when the deal was made. It cleared both a 25 man and 40 man spot for the upcoming offseason.

I felt at the time like the Mariners had unnecessarily slow-played him and he was ready for a jump in competition. Then he was super mediocre in AA and kinda made me look dumb.

I've sorta felt like he can be another Maness/Thompson sort of 7th inning bridge reliever. My guess is, like those guys, he'll get in trouble if he elevates at all. Typical sinker/slider reliever who can get outs if he can keep hitters from being able to spit on his slider (which they'll be able to do if he's elevating his sinker; location will telegraph the pitch).

Every team has a few guys like this and they'll pitch for 5 years, give you two completely confusing really good ones (think Mitchell Boggs in 2012), then one day they'll have a bad outing...then another...then another and that'll be that.

Fine guy to have - they'll probably get some mileage out of him and if he, Gallegos and Hicks can give you 3 years of steady back end relief, you're probably in pretty damn good shape. Especially with guys like Fernandez and the inevitable Alex Reyes: wild-ass reliever carnival ride.

I prefer Woodford as a long-term asset who's as likely as not to end up in the 'pen and Kodi Whitley as a true jam reliever.

thanks man. He looked so good but it was one damn inning. Reyes looked good too but we know he can go off the rails pretty easily. I figured there was no way Mo pulled off a lopsided trade in our favor. It’s been a long time since he did that.

I guess we are going to get more out of him than Tu.

Marcellus 08-18-2020 08:17 PM

Why is Weiters catching almost every day? I get Yadi is out but Kitzner looks better and we need to get some young guys ready to go for the future.

Jewish Rabbi 08-18-2020 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 15119901)
Why is Weiters catching almost every day? I get Yadi is out but Kitzner looks better and we need to get some young guys ready to go for the future.

They’ve been split pretty evenly, each taking a game in double headers.

Carlson needs a day off. He’s pressing hard.


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