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smithandrew051 01-10-2022 02:07 PM
I’d probably go:

1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers
3. Brady (assuming you get the refs too, otherwise he drops to 32)
4. Allen
5. Wilson
6. Burrow
7. Prescott
8. Herbert
9. Stafford
10. Murray

ThaVirus 01-10-2022 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16067019)
I would replace him with any and all of the guys you named, because they've all accomplished the towering feat of making the playoffs. Herbert has a great roster and still hasn't done that. He can make big throws but he ain't shit until he actually does shit.

Is their roster really all that great though? They've got a bottom 3 scoring defense. Herbert can't control that and their defense has been nearly as bad as ours was for that stretch early on this year.

Red Dawg 01-10-2022 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16067078)
Is their roster really all that great though? They've got a bottom 3 scoring defense. Herbert can't control that and their defense has been nearly as bad as ours was for that stretch early on this year.
If he's so perfect and great when why do they lose so much and miss the payoffs? He is not better than Mahomes at all. Mahomes has dragged 3 bad defenses to the division title, the payoffs and to the SB twice and got a win.

I know this much, Mahomes would have got the TD and won that ****ing game last night and never would have been 14 down in the 4th with the season on the line to the Raiders.

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carcosa 01-10-2022 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16067078)
Is their roster really all that great though? They've got a bottom 3 scoring defense. Herbert can't control that and their defense has been nearly as bad as ours was for that stretch early on this year.
Gee, I wonder if Patrick Mahomes ever had to drag a bottom 3 scoring defense to the AFC CG.

Herbert has a big arm but that's about it until he actually does something.

carcosa 01-10-2022 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16067250)
If he's so perfect and great when why do they lose so much and miss the payoffs? He is not better than Mahomes at all. Mahomes has dragged 3 bad defenses to the division title, the payoffs and to the SB twice and got a win.

I know this much, Mahomes would have got the TD and won that ****ing game last night and never would have been 14 down in the 4th with the season on the line to the Raiders.
Hell yes Rude Bitch go off!!!!!

carcosa 01-10-2022 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16067056)
I’d probably go:

1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers
3. Brady (assuming you get the refs too, otherwise he drops to 32)
4. Allen
5. Wilson
6. Burrow
7. Prescott
8. Herbert
9. Stafford
10. Murray
Good list but Herbert is way too high

Chiefnj2 01-10-2022 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16067250)
If he's so perfect and great when why do they lose so much and miss the payoffs? He is not better than Mahomes at all. Mahomes has dragged 3 bad defenses to the division title, the payoffs and to the SB twice and got a win.
The 2019 and 2020 defenses were bad? Being top 10 in points against is bad?

Chieftain 01-10-2022 03:36 PM
Herbert has one major flaw: Lack of touch in his throws

He makes up for his lack of touch by throwing impressively accurate balls and doing so consistently even in tight windows.
You can only do that for so long in high pressure situations. That's when touch comes into play. And escapability, too. He doesn't leave the pocket as much as he should. These two combined play a deciding factor in him closing out games.

ThaVirus 01-10-2022 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16067250)
If he's so perfect and great when why do they lose so much and miss the payoffs? He is not better than Mahomes at all. Mahomes has dragged 3 bad defenses to the division title, the payoffs and to the SB twice and got a win.



I know this much, Mahomes would have got the TD and won that ****ing game last night and never would have been 14 down in the 4th with the season on the line to the Raiders.

I never said he was perfect and I never said he is better than Mahomes. In fact, I made two lists in which I specifically ranked Mahomes ahead of Herbert.

You don't know shit, dude. Mahomes just got smacked in the ****ing Super Bowl. We lost by three scores. Did you miss that?

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16067276)
Gee, I wonder if Patrick Mahomes ever had to drag a bottom 3 scoring defense to the AFC CG.



Herbert has a big arm but that's about it until he actually does something.

He literally never has lol

Hammock Parties 01-10-2022 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 16067301)
Herbert has one major flaw: Lack of touch in his throws

He makes up for his lack of touch by throwing impressively accurate balls and doing so consistently even in tight windows.
You can only do that for so long in high pressure situations. That's when touch comes into play. And escapability, too. He doesn't leave the pocket as much as he should. These two combined play a deciding factor in him closing out games.
He's not yet great at feeling how to maneuver in the pocket and escape it.

Mahomes has that down to a science, nay, an art.

Big Ben 01-10-2022 03:51 PM
Herbert, hands down.

carcosa 01-10-2022 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16067322)
I never said he was perfect and I never said he is better than Mahomes. In fact, I made two lists in which I specifically ranked Mahomes ahead of Herbert.

You don't know shit, dude. Mahomes just got smacked in the ****ing Super Bowl. We lost by three scores. Did you miss that?
And? Did you miss the part where Mahomes had a high school JV offensive line in front of him? What does that have to do with anything? Why are you so invested in defending Herbert?

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16067322)


He literally never has lol
Alright well the Chargers D this year gave up a whopping .8 more points per game than the 2018 Chiefs defense. Seems to me an actual elite QB who deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Mahomes would do better than 9-8 and no playoff berth.

Hey man, maybe you should just go root for the Chargers, I hear they're desperate for fans!

Hammock Parties 01-10-2022 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067348)
Herbert, hands down.
His hand is down his pants as he watches the Chiefs play postseason football.

ThaVirus 01-10-2022 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16067351)
And? Did you miss the part where Mahomes had a high school JV offensive line in front of him? What does that have to do with anything? Why are you so invested in defending Herbert?







Alright well the Chargers D this year gave up a whopping .8 more points per game than the 2018 Chiefs defense. Seems to me an actual elite QB who deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Mahomes would do better than 9-8 and no playoff berth.



Hey man, maybe you should just go root for the Chargers, I hear they're desperate for fans!

Scroll up, bruv. I'm only responding to the people who are responding to me.

I'm wondering why people here are so bent on tearing him down. It's weird. Whole board was shaking in their boots hoping to not run into LA in the postseason, then they come here and say dude isn't a top 5 QB lol soooooo we're afraid of Ekeler and Keenan Allen then? Their bottom 3 defense? Their dipshit coach?


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