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Mecca 04-10-2023 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16896924)
cool, now do defense.

Maybe he's a big Dax Hill fan?

O.city 04-10-2023 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16896808)

Maybe. I dunno. Not a big fan of his.

Chris Meck 04-10-2023 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16896929)
Maybe he's a big Dax Hill fan?

well, and maybe he should be, but if we're going to assume our guys who haven't done it yet can't, then we should assume theirs can't either.

Dunerdr 04-10-2023 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16896420)
Because they didn't draft well.

It's all ****ed if you don't draft well.

And they rarely shelled out any money in FA to bail out bad drafts.

O.city 04-10-2023 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16896924)
cool, now do defense.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16896929)
Maybe he's a big Dax Hill fan?

Defense is so unpredictable year to year.....I think they'll take a hit but if the offense is better it should theoretically make up for it.

Mecca 04-10-2023 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16896933)
Maybe. I dunno. Not a big fan of his.

Johnston would most likely be fine here, he's fast enough and has good size.

htismaqe 04-10-2023 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16896938)
Defense is so unpredictable year to year.....I think they'll take a hit but if the offense is better it should theoretically make up for it.

That's just the thing - the hallmark of Cinci's defense the last couple of years IS it's consistency.

Any amount of inconsistency introduces entropy in their system. It's not a top 10 defense, it's not a bottom 10 defense. It's a defense that consistently performs good enough to get a win.

Let's not forget that Joe Burrow, in the playoffs, has NEVER had to score 25 points or more to win a game.

Chris Meck 04-10-2023 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16896938)
Defense is so unpredictable year to year.....I think they'll take a hit but if the offense is better it should theoretically make up for it.

I really don't think Brown's going to move the needle much for them. Burrow knows to get the ball out fast, and Brown gets beat at the snap when he loses, so I don't really see it making a big difference.

Their weapons are all still there, for now.

Defensively, they lost both of their very good safeties.

I'm not saying they're going away, but they're going to have to draft well and play them early now.

Megatron96 04-10-2023 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16896938)
Defense is so unpredictable year to year.....I think they'll take a hit but if the offense is better it should theoretically make up for it.

Not that it means anything, but a quick skim of the thread titles on the Bengals board reveals almost no worries about their safety situation. I don't really dig into their roster/depth chart, so I don't know if they have players on the team that can fill in adequately, or if they expect to draft replacements in the draft. bottom line though, they don't seem that concerned.

htismaqe 04-10-2023 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16896942)
I really don't think Brown's going to move the needle much for them. Burrow knows to get the ball out fast, and Brown gets beat at the snap when he loses, so I don't really see it making a big difference.

Their weapons are all still there, for now.

Defensively, they lost both of their very good safeties.

I'm not saying they're going away, but they're going to have to draft well - with late-round picks, not top 5's over and over like they've had previously - and play them early now.

FYP

htismaqe 04-10-2023 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16896944)
Not that it means anything, but a quick skim of the thread titles on the Bengals board reveals almost no worries about their safety situation. I don't really dig into their roster/depth chart, so I don't know if they have players on the team that can fill in adequately, or if they expect to draft replacements in the draft. bottom line though, they don't seem that concerned.

Because like us, they're banking on their offense overcoming any weaknesses in the defense.

The problem is that Pat has proven he can win even when the defense gives up 30+ in the playoffs. The Bengals so far under Burrow have never done that.

Megatron96 04-10-2023 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16896946)
Because like us, they're banking on their offense overcoming any weaknesses in the defense.

The problem is that Pat has proven he can win even when the defense gives up 30+ in the playoffs. The Bengals so far under Burrow have never done that.

All due respect, problem is they don't allow KC to score 30 anyway. Not in the last three games in a row. And they would've both times last season if not for an inexplicable drop by Boyd in the EZ in the regular season matchup and a wildly implausible INT off Burrow on the AFFCG.

htismaqe 04-10-2023 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16896958)
All due respect, problem is they don't allow KC to score 30 anyway. Not in the last three games in a row. And they would've both times last season if not for an inexplicable drop by Boyd in the EZ in the regular season matchup and a wildly implausible INT off Burrow on the AFFCG.

That's exactly my point.

They don't allow KC (or anybody else for that matter) to score 25 points, especially in the playoffs.

Burrow has NEVER had to do what Mahomes has done consistently since 2018 - overcome atrocious defensive performances that resulted in more than 30 points against. Burrow has not only never done it, he's never HAD to do it.

If the defense takes a step back at all, they're absolutely banking on their offense to overcome it. On paper, it's looks like they could do exactly that but the simple fact is that, up to this point, they simply haven't done it. There's no historical evidence to backup the assumption at all.

DJ's left nut 04-10-2023 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16896958)
All due respect, problem is they don't allow KC to score 30 anyway. Not in the last three games in a row. And they would've both times last season if not for an inexplicable drop by Boyd in the EZ in the regular season matchup and a wildly implausible INT off Burrow on the AFFCG.

The drop I'll give you.

The INT? Those happen on those deep throws. Maybe not always in as spectacular a fashion, but he threw to a covered guy and the ball got picked - that's gonna happen from time to time.

Megatron96 04-10-2023 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16896968)
That's exactly my point.

They don't allow KC (or anybody else for that matter) to score 25 points, especially in the playoffs.

Burrow has NEVER had to do what Mahomes has done consistently since 2018 - overcome atrocious defensive performances that resulted in more than 30 points against. Burrow has not only never done it, he's never HAD to do it.

If the defense takes a step back at all, they're absolutely banking on their offense to overcome it. On paper, it's looks like they could do exactly that but the simple fact is that, up to this point, they simply haven't done it. There's no historical evidence to backup the assumption at all.

They haven't either because they didn't have to, or it literally took a bad bounce against them to prevent them from scoring 30+. I wouldn't bank on 'bad luck' being a consistent 12th defender for us every time we play them.

I'm just saying they're a really good team, offensively and defensively, and getting lucky every time we play them isn't a great strategy. I know Andy/Spags know that better than anyone, so I'm not worried.


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