Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17864986)

They've gotta cut corners somewhere when guys start making the money they are. It's just the way it is.

Some things will work out, some won't.

But if he doesn't play to a certain standard, we're pretty much drawing dead.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17864984)

I think the difference in our respective outlooks is simple:

If the OL doesn't play any better at all than it did in the mid-season, this team can win a championship by Mahomes simply playing to his ability. Hitting the shots he has and not feeling phantom pressure. Stop moving yourself into contact, run the offense.

That doesn't mean things are going to be easy for him or that they're going to put up 40+. But with this OL playing as it did for the middle part of the season, Mahomes can raise his level to a place sufficient for us to win championships. We don't NEED a significant improvement at OL.

Meanwhile, if the OL were to become a brick wall and Mahomes were to STILL see phantom pressure and STILL miss open shots (or simply not throw them), we lose.

You're using the OL improvement as a proxy for Mahomes improvement and saying one is vital to the other. I'm saying the Mahomes improvement is ALL that matters. And even if the OL doesn't improve substantially, Mahomes getting even to his level of last post-season will be enough to 3-peat.

But it starts with Mahomes.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17864986)

They've gotta cut corners somewhere when guys start making the money they are. It's just the way it is.

Some things will work out, some won't.

But if he doesn't play to a certain standard, we're pretty much drawing dead.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17865004)

We're back to the "he played well in the 4th quarter, just needed 1 more play" stuff. I'm glad he's been that good on third down, but if you'd be better on 1st and 2nd you wouldn't put so much pressure on yourself on 3rd down.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17865013)

A lot of that is the running game. No push from the line and no burst from the backs. Teams are sitting on the short stuff and stopping the run. That's why you saw what you saw against Cleveland. They HAVE to find a way to get the ball downfield or they're just throwing themselves at the teeth of the defense play after play.

Originally Posted by LagunaSWana (Post 17864991)

Getting back to Hollywood Brown, what do we expect from him on Saturday? I think it's a bit of a fantasy that he will come in and suddenly make our deep passing game relevant again, so will he be an effective replacement for what Rice was giving before he got hurt? I honestly just don't know his game that well and what to expect.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17865016)

Pacheco has poor vision.

There's a reason Hunt always seems to look immediately better.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17865021)

Hunt has better vision but it doesn't do as much good when he's so slow.

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17865018)

I disagree. I fully expect the passing game plan to look better and more balanced. As far as his individual production? I really don't know. I doubt Andy dials up a lot for him out of the gate, but I still expect his presence to be felt.