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Mecca 08-21-2009 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 5992344)
The same thing happend to Cassel last year. As Deeznutz said Haley will gameplan around the o-line. The o-line will only improve from these past few games.

NE's line is HOF level compared to what we have out there.

Chiefnj2 08-21-2009 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5992333)
Haley and co. will game plan around the line.

Get ready for vanilla in bunches, RRP (underneath). All in an effort to keep Cassel alive.

They can't run the ball. I think Cassel will be in the shotgun 70% of the time. More of a west coast offense.

milkman 08-21-2009 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5992317)
The thing is, he still hasn't really learned all the nuances of the position, and now he's lighter, and proper footwork and technique become more important.

The other thing is, people I've known who have lost a substantial amount of wieght in a short period of time have become suddenly awkward and clumsy, and it's takene them 3 weeks to a month to become familiar with their new bodies.

DeezNutz 08-21-2009 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5992368)
They can't run the ball. I think Cassel will be in the shotgun 70% of the time. More of a west coast offense.

Very possible.

LJ won't (or shouldn't) sniff much field under this scenario.

milkman 08-21-2009 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5992381)
Very possible.

LJ won't (or shouldn't) sniff much field under this scenario.

Good.

Cause as Seedy said earlier, LJ is an average back now.

Chiefnj2 08-21-2009 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5992381)
Very possible.

LJ won't (or shouldn't) sniff much field under this scenario.

If he is going to "run" like he did tonight, he won't be missed.

DeezNutz 08-21-2009 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5992386)
Good.

Cause as Seedy said earlier, LJ is an average back now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5992389)
If he is going to "run" like he did tonight, he won't be missed.

Yep.

I stand by my long-standing opinion that LJ is a completely worthless bitch.

ArrowheadMagic 08-21-2009 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5992350)
This is why I kind of give a baffled look when people say 8 wins or something like that.

I have a really really bad image of how the Chiefs will handle Justin Tuck coming off the right side...


Albert eats him up. A step up in the pocket.... moving the pocket.... Tuck doesnt do well when he has been ran at. Different ways of negating pass rushes. When Tuck uses 2 moves and it doesnt work... he shuts down.

cdcox 08-21-2009 10:39 PM

Whoa, Brokie was cut in half and got back up. Good for him.

Mecca 08-21-2009 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 5992395)
Albert eats him up. A step up in the pocket.... moving the pocket.... Tuck doesnt do well when he has been ran at. Different ways of negating pass rushes. When Tuck uses 2 moves and it doesnt work... he shuts down.

Tuck isn't on Alberts side....Umeyiora is....

OnTheWarpath15 08-21-2009 10:39 PM

Good to see Croyle pop right back up after that shot to the chin.

DeezNutz 08-21-2009 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5992398)
Tuck isn't on Alberts side....Umeyiora is....

Oh, in that case...

mother****...

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-21-2009 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5992333)
Haley and co. will game plan around the line.

Get ready for vanilla in bunches, RRP (underneath). All in an effort to keep Cassel alive.

Yeppers.:doh!:

OnTheWarpath15 08-21-2009 10:45 PM

Damn, Croyle is slinging it.

ArrowheadMagic 08-21-2009 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5992398)
Tuck isn't on Alberts side....Umeyiora is....


Giants dont move their DL around for the better matchups? wait that was Spags... that was last year...... we have a working experience with their new DC..... right? ...we do? lol... mecca come on now..... someone with your vast knowledsge knows they moved people around last year.... where did their current DC coach defense at last year......?

milkman 08-21-2009 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5992423)
Damn, Croyle is slinging it.

He's taken a couple hits, but he's also had teh opportunity to step up in the pocket a couple of times and really show his arm.

OnTheWarpath15 08-21-2009 10:55 PM

Was that Mike Brown or DeJuan Morgan that just got pwned by Tarvaris Jackson?

ArrowheadMagic 08-21-2009 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5992436)
He's taken a couple hits, but he's also had teh opportunity to step up in the pocket a couple of times and really show his arm.


against 2nd teamers... maybe 3rd teamers... since minny started mostly 2nd teamers...

milkman 08-21-2009 10:57 PM

Morgan

Titty Meat 08-21-2009 10:58 PM

QB Controversy!

Titty Meat 08-21-2009 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5992460)
Was that Mike Brown or DeJuan Morgan that just got pwned by Tarvaris Jackson?

Mike Brown doesn't get pwnt.

OnTheWarpath15 08-21-2009 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5992467)
Morgan

Yeah, I think McGraw might have blown that play. Looked like he had deep middle, Morgan realized he wasn't there, and tried to make up for it.

ArrowheadMagic 08-21-2009 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5992460)
Was that Mike Brown or DeJuan Morgan that just got pwned by Tarvaris Jackson?


lol........ you'd bitch about just anything.... its 2nd teamers against 2nd and 3rd teamers...... like morgan is making this team....

cdcox 08-21-2009 10:59 PM

Completely toasted. Morgan has been a disappointment so far.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-21-2009 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5992460)
Was that Mike Brown or DeJuan Morgan that just got pwned by Tarvaris Jackson?

If you're talking about running inside when he should have stayed outside:

BROWN.

milkman 08-21-2009 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 5992465)
against 2nd teamers... maybe 3rd teamers... since minny started mostly 2nd teamers...

I know, I'm just sayin'.

OnTheWarpath15 08-21-2009 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 5992475)
lol........ you'd bitch just about anything.... its 2nd teamers against 2nd and 3rd teamers...... like morgan is making this team....

WTF?

Just asking a question, ****stick.

Titty Meat 08-21-2009 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5992478)
If you're talking about running inside when he should have stayed outside:

BROWN.

Is that the play where Tavris threw the ball a few yards past the line of scrimage?

Mecca 08-21-2009 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 5992432)
Giants dont move their DL around for the better matchups? wait that was Spags... that was last year...... we have a working experience with their new DC..... right? ...we do? lol... mecca come on now..... someone with your vast knowledsge knows they moved people around last year.... where did their current DC coach defense at last year......?

Generally speaking I'd expect them to lineup that way, Umenyiora didn't even play last year..

But I didn't even bring up all the ridiculous things they can do I was just talking straight match whoever lines up over that RT is going to kill us.

OnTheWarpath15 08-21-2009 11:02 PM

Does Jackie Battle have ****ing bacon grease on his gloves or something?

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-21-2009 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 5992481)
Is that the play where Tavris threw the ball a few yards past the line of scrimage?

It was after the Bowe TD.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-21-2009 11:04 PM

Are you guys re-watching?

Mecca 08-21-2009 11:04 PM

Also for the comment about making the team, they have to have some backup safeties right?

John McGraw got owned...if he makes the team I'll be pretty upset.

OnTheWarpath15 08-21-2009 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5992490)
Are you guys re-watching?

I don't live in KC, so I'm watching for the 1st time.

milkman 08-21-2009 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5992490)
Are you guys re-watching?

I'm an out of towner.
I'm watching for the first time.

I'll rewatch in the morning with a more critical eye.

OnTheWarpath15 08-21-2009 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5992491)
Also for the comment about making the team, they have to have some backup safeties right?

John McGraw got owned...if he makes the team I'll be pretty upset.

He'll make the team because he's a decent ST player on a team with no good ST players.

Mecca 08-21-2009 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5992497)
He'll make the team because he's a decent ST player on a team with no good ST players.

Blah you'd think even a guy like Morgan could do what he does there, he was an ace special teamer for his college team.

Titty Meat 08-21-2009 11:08 PM

NFL Network is playing the game right now.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-21-2009 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5992494)
I don't live in KC, so I'm watching for the 1st time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5992496)
I'm an out of towner.
I'm watching for the first time.

I'll rewatch in the morning with a more critical eye.

But...Milk; you're only one time zone from me. I started watching at 5, Arizona time.

ArrowheadMagic 08-21-2009 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5992480)
WTF?

Just asking a question, ****stick.


easy sister.... I asked if the Chiefs offense improved from last week against a better defense and you couldnt answer that.

OnTheWarpath15 08-21-2009 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 5992513)
easy sister.... I asked if the Chiefs offense improved from last week against a better defense and you couldnt answer that.

Actually, yes I did.

I said I didn't see any improvement.

If anything, the right side of the OL was worse against backups this week than against starters (and not exactly scrubs in Mario Williams and Okoye) last week.

Our starters moved the ball against 2nd/3rd teamers. Maybe we can petition the league to have our opponents bench their starters so we can be competitive.

milkman 08-21-2009 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5992506)
But...Milk; you're only one time zone from me. I started watching at 5, Arizona time.

Don't know about that.

Game didn't come on here until 8, my time.

milkman 08-21-2009 11:17 PM

Gotta say, Mike Mayock sucks ass as a color analyst.

And I can't wait for the Vikings season to end on a Favre interception.

cdcox 08-21-2009 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5992520)
Don't know about that.

Game didn't come on here until 8, my time.

Started at 11PM for me, but I'm HARDCORE.

OnTheWarpath15 08-21-2009 11:19 PM

Well, I guess covering the screen is an issue for the starters AND the backups.

If our regular season opponents watch PS film, we're gonna see a shit-ton of screens go for massive yardage this year.

cdcox 08-21-2009 11:20 PM

Mogan flagged then loses the receiver.

milkman 08-21-2009 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5992537)
Started at 11PM for me, but I'm HARDCORE.

Well, my 8PM is probably like your 11PM, since I had to get up for work at 315AM.

cdcox 08-21-2009 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5992548)
Well, my 8PM is probably like your 11PM, since I had to get up for work at 315AM.

Pretty much. I got up at 7:30.

TRR 08-21-2009 11:24 PM

For such limited practice time, and obvious limited snaps, I thought Ashley Lelie looked in shape, and very long. I would really liked to see Haley nail down the top 4 WR's, and let Cassel get comfortable with them. I don't see what Haley sees in Copper as a WR. I'm not in love with Darling. And Quinten Lawrence wipes out as many good plays as he gives KC.

After Bowe and Bradley, it really looks like a big cluster between Engram, Toomer, Darling and Lelie.

ArrowheadMagic 08-21-2009 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5992518)
Actually, yes I did.

I said I didn't see any improvement.

If anything, the right side of the OL was worse against backups this week than against starters (and not exactly scrubs in Mario Williams and Okoye) last week.

Our starters moved the ball against 2nd/3rd teamers. Maybe we can petition the league to have our opponents bench their starters so we can be competitive.

Please tell me you are not serious about this post. I will give you ample time to edit it.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-21-2009 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5992548)
Well, my 8PM is probably like your 11PM, since I had to get up for work at 315AM.

I watched live, 7:00pm CST over the net, 5:00pm my time. We don't do daylight savings time here though.

OnTheWarpath15 08-21-2009 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 5992560)
Please tell me you are not serious about this post. I will give you ample time to edit it.

Nothing to edit.

If you think the offensive line played better this week, you're a ****ing reerun.

Simple as that.

milkman 08-21-2009 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5992568)
I watched live, 7:00pm CST over the net, 5:00pm my time. We don't do daylight savings time here though.

I love that about 'Zona.

Wow Mcbride sucks out there.

cdcox 08-21-2009 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5992573)
I love that about 'Zona.

Wow Mcbride sucks out there.

He was in during the 1st quarter, too. They are getting a good look at him tonight. He's probably on the bubble.

alanm 08-21-2009 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 5992282)
Where did I say I expect the Chiefs offense to be awesome at? I said somewhere that it seems as though Pioli didn't do enough to upgrade the o-line. Atleast we have a mobile QB whos accurate this year and won't have to play a gimmick offense.

Unless the oline gets him killed. Then you fall back on Croyle. Who if he loves his life and his wife will have studied film on the Huard flop technique.

ArrowheadMagic 08-21-2009 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5992569)
Nothing to edit.

If you think the offensive line played better this week, you're a ****ing reerun.

Simple as that.


Did they not move the ball better than they did the week before? against what I believe is a better defense... regardless what 2 lineman were missing. Its my opinion that minny has a better defense than Houston... apparently you think otherwise.


Its a new offense that all the players are learning.. apparently you expect this team to win 8 games or more. I on the other hand expect improvement from week to week..... This week was an improvement over last week..... Since they did score this week on an obviously better defense.

TRR 08-21-2009 11:39 PM

McBride needs to move back to DE if he wants to make the team IMO. The difference in athletic ability between Hali and McBride is as big as the Grand Canyon.

Mr. Arrowhead 08-21-2009 11:41 PM

oo the fan, the positive ones will find excuses to be positive all the time and the negative ones will find an excuse to be negative all the time.

milkman 08-21-2009 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead (Post 5992583)
oo the fan, the positive ones will find excuses to be positive all the time and the negative ones will find an excuse to be negative all the time.

I really think you might be talking out of your ass.

On the other hand, you might be right.

:)

Chan93lx50 08-21-2009 11:56 PM

Not getting in on the one yard line makes me wanna puke!

cdcox 08-22-2009 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Chan93lx50 (Post 5992604)
Not getting in on the one yard line makes me wanna puke!

You are going to want to puke a lot this year. Seriously, if we crack the 5 yard line, who's your money player?

KCrockaholic 08-22-2009 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5992616)
You are going to want to puke a lot this year. Seriously, if we crack the 5 yard line, who's your money player?

LJ...If it was still first team offense/defense, LJ would have scored. Hes the only redzone back we truly have.

Saccopoo 08-22-2009 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5992635)
LJ...If it was still first team offense/defense, LJ would have scored. Hes the only redzone back we truly have.

It would be hard for Larry to score as his head/helmet would be jammed up the rectum of a Chiefs guard. I wonder if he closes his eyes when he runs...

Hammock Parties 08-22-2009 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5992616)
You are going to want to puke a lot this year. Seriously, if we crack the 5 yard line, who's your money player?

You think teams are really gonna run a safety over the top when Bowe is split out wide on the goal line?

Hell even Randy Moss doesn't get that treatment.

Tiger's Fan 08-22-2009 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 5992560)
Please tell me you are not serious about this post. I will give you ample time to edit it.

Not sure if he thinks you're talking about the offense as a whole, or just the offensive line.

But either way, yeah he's serious. He's a protege of meccas. They hate everything Chiefs. Not sure who their team is. They must suck awfully bad though considering how much time they spend on this board. Might be raider fans.

ArrowheadMagic 08-22-2009 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buster Hymen (Post 5992702)
Not sure if he thinks you're talking about the offense as a whole, or just the offensive line.

But either way, yeah he's serious. He's a protege of meccas. They hate everything Chiefs. Not sure who their team is. They must suck awfully bad though considering how much time they spend on this board. Might be raider fans.



Most people understand we have holes in our OL. But what we saw tonight was an improvement over the Houston game. I know OTW58 likes to talk out the side of his ass. Typical know it all.... done nothing...knows everything. He knows his football... knows the offense as a whole was better. Needs to stop trying to push peoples buttons to get a point across... even Raised by reeruns knows tonight was a better showing offensively against a vastly superior defensive team... regardless who was playing.

JD10367 08-22-2009 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 5992722)
Most people understand we have holes in our OL. But what we saw tonight was an improvement over the Houston game. I know OTW58 likes to talk out the side of his ass. Typical know it all.... done nothing...knows everything. He knows his football... knows the offense as a whole was better. Needs to stop trying to push peoples buttons to get a point across... even Raised by reeruns knows tonight was a better showing offensively against a vastly superior defensive team... regardless who was playing.

That.

Your O showed some nice flashes. So did your D. Against a team supposed to contend.

Don't worry about the end of the game. That wasn't your first-string offense. As bad as your O-line might have looked, with the #1s in and Cassel, Bowe, LJ, etc.,., chances are you get that yard in four attempts.

As for Farvrvrvurh, he didn't do anything but did show he might at least know where he's supposed to be aiming. His brain seems to know their offense. The question is, can his body follow the directions. If so, he might help them win some games, and since they were already probably going to win 9 or 10 he'll probably push them high enough to easily win that sad division. If their D and running game can make some noise, they'll be problematic for the NFC. But he's still a supreme douchebag.

angelo 08-22-2009 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5991424)
It's gotten to the point with Texas guys in the NFL that I wouldn't draft one unless I had no doubt he would be special.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. UT players are just soft and lack discipline.

Ang

MahiMike 08-22-2009 09:21 AM

My observations from a grainy laptop view of the game:

Our OL had moments of competence followed by mostly average play.

Haley/Gailey play calling set up some holes for the line. The end around was great.

Speaking of Lawrence, I see why he's still with the team just for that play. He could be a deep threat we need.

Cassel looked great. I was surprised how well he scrambled and threw accurately on the run.

LJ looked good when he had a bit of a hole.

Bowe was ALWAYS open! How does that happen and how long until he's double-teamed every week?

The 1st team defense played aggressively and put Favre on his butt.

All in all, I was happy with the game. We led at halftime which is all that counts in preseason.

boogblaster 08-22-2009 09:51 AM

The team as a whole looked improved ... The O looked OK but still O-line problems .. The D looked improved ... We contened with their 1st team ... We should have won that game but couldn't shove the D-line of the Vikes ... All in all we have improved ...

"Bob" Dobbs 08-22-2009 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boogblaster (Post 5993083)
The team as a whole looked improved ... The O looked OK but still O-line problems .. The D looked improved ... We contened with their 1st team ... We should have won that game but couldn't shove the D-line of the Vikes ... All in all we have improved ...

Which is what things SHOULD look like at this point considering the changes Pioli/Haley have made (and more importantly HAVEN'T made. Yet.) I honestly believe the team is taking the long view, and many here aren't quite that patient.

UsualSuspects 09-20-2009 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 5992282)
Where did I say I expect the Chiefs offense to be awesome at? I said somewhere that it seems as though Pioli didn't do enough to upgrade the o-line. Atleast we have a mobile QB whos accurate this year and won't have to play a gimmick offense.

You are a reerun!
I waited but U do suck the azz without doubt.

UsualSuspects 09-20-2009 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5992635)
LJ...If it was still first team offense/defense, LJ would have scored. Hes the only redzone back we truly have.


We are sorry then...

**** LJ.

He's a leech!

And has a dick sucker from here...............


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