If they were in any other division my answer would be no.

The Dolphins have a good chance to surprise this year.

The Chiefs have been on a "win now" philosophy ever since Carl Peterson took over & still today. How has that got us any more wins in the playoffs that lead us to the Super Bowl?

It won't happen any quicker your way.

This is disingenuous.

Tom Brady isn't just a franchise QB, he's a future Hall of Famer with three Super Bowl rings and five appearances.

What's the one constant throughout all of these years?

It's not "My way", you drooling Mongoloid, it was this franchise's best opportunity to compete in 2013.

I will be happy to be proven wrong Dane by the Chiefs this season. They need to prove it to me on the field win in the playoffs and give me a reason to think Alex Smith was worth the draft picks we gave up. Until then I'm not happy and wont be happy about going with Alex Smith.


All I ask is that this doesn't turn out the same as all the other retread quarterbacks we have seen the past 25 years.


NFL franchises are wrong all the time about players until that player turns out to be good or not. I look at things as a fan perspective I'm not coaching these guys. It's on them to prove me wrong.

So, we get to read in each every post how much you disliked the trade and wanted Geno Smith until next January?

Awesome. It's so original and enlightening.

did you say this in 2009 too?

Mutually exclusive

you know, since you whiny assholes are always dead, dead ****ing wrong, I'm kind of expecting Alex to kick ass. I mean, that would truly be the past foreshadowing the present.

Good I hope so. Super Bowl to the ship.

Agree to Disagree.

I bought in 2009 and was sold a huge lemon, one of the biggest frauds of the NFL. At the time I didnt know that and really thought big, winning culture and Super Bowl potential. Sold on it being better than all of Herm, Vermiel and Marty combined. And I was duped in that 4 years. Here I am 4 years later, and I'm not buying in until I see results. No need to believe in a new 4 year plan rebuilding off the previous 4 year rebuild.

Fact of the matter is this team should be winning right now, they should have been winning last season, and we were sold millions of lies and awful FO decisions in that time span.

I'll reserve judgement that all the "new" mindset is mutually exclusive when it shows me what they have done for me lately, rather than hype, what ifs and potential so I am not as disappointed when the games that count roll around.

2 yrs

I may have.

So what you are implying is no matter what happens and what changes the end result will always be the same.

Makes sense to me.

I will shut up about Geno Smith if he doesn't do anything for the Jets. He plays for the Jets so I could really give a **** how he does. I want to see if I would have been right about him but he can also go **** himself as a Jet.

So what you are saying is its easier to just be a hater. Yea I already pointed that out about 30 posts back.

Edit- nope it was about 100 posts back.

I really liked Geno, but he's not even going to beat out Sanchez.

Yikes.

no, I'm saying it's hard to cheer for guys like Dunta Robinson, Donnie Avery, and Mike Devito as upgrades and positive changes when their sample size on previous teams has been less than desired.

Our best players are still our Herm picks besides 2 guys and that is really sad in a 6 year span.

nope it was about 100 posts back.

This is as ridiculous as hating a team because they continue to draft QB's instead of signing a veteran.

The San Diego Chargers went to their only Super Bowl after trading for Stan Humphries. Since then, they drafted Ryan Leaf, Drew Brees and Philip Rivers.

They haven't returned to the Super Bowl nor have they won anything since.

Drafting and developing a QB doesn't happen in a vacuum. Drafting a guy at 1.1, especially a player that extremely undeserving of that spot and expecting a Super Bowl, is folly. David Carr, Jamarcus Russell and Tim Couch are just a few examples.

The Chiefs had no legitimate options in the draft or free agency. Their best chance to compete in 2013 was to trade for the best available QB.

That or stick with Matt Cassel.

So who do you propose Dorsey should have picked up at WR, CB, and DE this off season rather than these guys?


What does the fact our best players are mainly Herm era players have to do with Dorsey and Reid?

This is good stuff dude you are starting to get the core of your issues and the fact they have nothing to do with the current FO.

You are getting close to a break though.

Even though there are similarities, there are also major differences.

Pioli... although highly thought of at the time... brought in rookie coaches, and maybe even more importantly brought in is own hand picked QB who most definitely fit the description of a backup QB. And he was married to said QB.

This time, Reid was brought in, and is a successful veteran coach. Dorsey was then brought into the fold by both Clark Hunt and Reid. And together, they went out and got their QB... who is not a backup QB by typical backup criteria, but a starting NFL QB.

Major differences IMO.

The biggest difference is that Matt Cassel went from the Spread offense, from Randy Moss and Wes Welker, to playing behind center with Dwayne Bowe as his only target.

Smith is coming from a similar offense with a single decent receiver to a team with a Top Three WR in Bowe, a solid veteran in Avery, as gadget receiver in McCluster and a similar tight end in Fasano.

Smith played lights out with lessor skilled players whereas Cassel played in an unconventional offense with greater players.

The parallels between the two players, other than compensation, don't exist.

Nothing is looking good for him as it is right now. I maybe wrong about him after all, but I sure liked what he did at WC so I still think he can do good in the pros if he works hard enough for it. It may not be how hard he works but his smarts may hold him back? He has talent to be successful though.

If only the Chiefs had signed Stanford Routt and Glenn Dorsey in free agency this year.

Oh. Wait.

My biggest difference is that Cassel was a backup QB in every sense of the word... including his college days.

Smith is a starting QB... at all levels.

Major difference.

But I agree with your assessment as well.

Avery caught 60 last year. What is wrong with that?

Maybe?

800 yards and 3 TD's, yet he claimed last night that Avery wasn't an upgrade over Steve Breaston and his 74 yards last season.

Matt Cassel had BB on the sideline too. I think Matt Cassel played with fear and abandonment that he didn't want an earful if he missed up and had to go to the sidelines. He ran for first downs and had success moving the chains with his feet more than he did with his arm. We didn't get that out of Matt Cassel. That's how I remembered Matt Cassel doing it in NE.

Yes, maybe? I want to see how they do in preseason when it matters.

The biggest reason why you were wrong is because you greatly overstated his value.

No one in the NFL viewed him as a first round draft prospect, let alone worthy of 1.1. Yet all you did for months (not that you were alone) is bitch and moan after the Alex Smith trade was announced because you were absolutely certain that Geno Smith was a day one Franchise QB.

Wrong.

Now, this doesn't preclude Smith from someday developing into an average to above average QB. But his actions on draft day and since seem to prove that he doesn't "get it".

Regardless, the Chiefs would have been a disaster in waiting had they selected Smith at 1.1 and signed Chase Daniel.

Wait a freaking minute here.

Are you saying a guy who never started in college and was a 7th round pick is not the same talent level as a guy who was the 1st overall pick in the draft?

I'm more upset if we give up an opportunity to draft a top prospect QB in next years draft by giving the niners another 2nd draft pick than passing on Geno Smith. I can live with Alex Smith being a stop gap if that is the plan & look at this years QB prospects & continue to upgrade in the draft. It's if he lives up to the mediocre way of the Chiefs and we are stuck in purgatory I'm worked up about.

Winning in the playoffs would prove me wrong.

So, you're "upset" about the possibility of drafting a QB in the second round, NEXT YEAR, before this team and QB have even played a preseason game this year?

What?

I'm upset if the next four years go by that we don't have a draft pick QB under center giving us a chance to compete for Super Bowls.

If we are stuck with Alex Smith next for years & no Super Bowl or even playoff wins that matter then FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU**

:shake:

I'm upset if the next four years go by that we don't have a draft pick QB under center giving us a chance to compete for Super Bowls.

If we are stuck with Alex Smith next four years & no Super Bowl or even playoff wins that matter then FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU**

So you are upset about things that haven't happened and may never happen.

Genious.

:shake:

Looks like its time to kill this thread with fire. Double posts.


Ffs at least wait and see what happens with this regime before we declare it dead. I realize and get where some are coming from, after the past decade it's easy to be apathetic.

But hopefully this times different in that we actuall brought in guys who have proven they know what they're doing. While I, or anyone for that matter, probably doesn't agree with a few, some or all the moves they make/made, their history in the league gives them a benefit of the doubt.


Just sit back relax and see what happens

We have Baldwin. WR problem solved.

Only if you're an absolute goddamned amateur at it. I will hate with ferocity and aplomb until the Chiefs either:

a) Do it my goddamned way, or

b) Hoist a Lombardi

Whichever comes first.

You are the dumbest goddamned **** to ever bleed.

I don't play Madden, Miss Molly. Go **** yourself none too gently.

They'll win 6 games this year but Reid is the best coach this franchise has had since Hank Stram.

This post further illustrates the fact that my sperm are smarter than you.

Six games? If they won six games this season, they'll be a major disappointment.

How I the hell do you come up with six games?

6 games? JIMP. 3-13.

Stop posting. You're an idiot. It's confirmed.

I think the defensive line will get mauled without a NT and the offense while able to move the ball won't be a good red zone team. If Hali or Houston go down this team is toast.

I know we don't know for certain what we have in Poe, but it seems silly to me to just assume we have NO NT.

I never get this kind of attitude, from either side of the fence. Why do you even care what other people think? Why do differing opinions make you so irate? What is it about discussion that makes you feel like you have to not only step up on the pulpit and try to convince the unbelievers but belittle them as well, simply because they disagree with you? Why do you assume that those opinions are based any less on reality/analysis/belief/whatever than yours? And why are you so invested in "wrong" and "right" when at the end of the day we're all making wild guesses, because nobody on earth can predict the thousands of different things, good and bad, that can happen to an NFL team over the course of 8 months?

No d-line

sketchy WRs

questionable QB

???? the secondary outside Flowers and Berry.

Our D-coord doesn't exactly inspire confidence either.

And if Jamaal Charles is injured they won't have running game and if Dwayne Bowe is injured they won't have a #1 receiver and if Dustin Colquitt is injured they won't have an MVP.

What's you're point?

Things pretty much have to be perfect this year for Alex Smith to get this team to a winning record.

That's the real bugaboo with this turd...he's not good enough to overcome a couple injuries the way a top of the line QB would be.

WTF are you talking about? Are you actually reading posts or just responding aimlessly?

I am more than happy to have rational discussions with people about football, what I am referring to in the post you quoted is the abundance of people that are already discussing what is going to happen as if it were already fact and how this team is doing nothing to get better.

I haven't belittled anyone that wasn't acting like an asshat to begin with. If you think otherwise prove it.

This place is being ruined by posters who think they know everything there is to know and everyone else is idiotic, especially the people who aren't negative about the team.

I have done nothing but state my frustration with that attitude and say that I am willing to give this FO, these coaches and Alex Smith a chance.

Learn to comprehend.

I agree, another major difference is this is the first draft in five years we drafted by measurables and not by the GM's ****ing ego to outsmart everyone else in the draft with his high bro Patriots attitude. We actually went for talent and need.

Which is why this class could blow the last four out of the water. And it could pay off big in the future years.

That's a matter of opinion and last time I checked, your initial opinions suck.

Oh, you're GREAT at hopping in the bandwagon after everything's going down hill, but you don't know a ****ing thing beforehand.

Last three years I sure did, bub.

It's a fact that Alex Smith isn't good enough to be a playmaking QB, so let's not get silly. If we have a bad day running the ball, we're gonna lose the game...just like Cassel. He can't carry a team.

I do think Avery is fools gold as a viable #2 WR. I do think he can contribute, but I think he brings more cons than pros. Not a Chris Chambers level though.

He will be okay for this team, I just dont consider him an upgrade over Baldwin or McCluster and I think his numbers are a product of the system with Luck, because if you break them down he's not that efficient. McCluster and Baldwin project out more efficient than him last season.

It may work out, I think he's going to drop too many balls and the gameday thread is going to explode during games because of it lol.

Avery is probably going to have 400 yards with the likes of Alex "checkdown" Smith throwing him the ball.

The same can be said for 95% of all starting NFL QB's.

In case you hadn't noticed, no team is perfect, especially week to week.

Tom Brady loses, Aaron Rogers loses, Peyton Manning loses, Drew Brees loses, Eli Manning loses, Matt Ryan loses, etc. and so on.

Yea but if the Chiefs had any of those QBs you just named we would all be blowing each other right now with nothing negative to say really, because we would be garunteed at least a 10+ win season every year and a shot at the Super Bowl. Which all those QBs have, every season really barring injury.

They have no depth at key positions and a QB who can't overcome those things.

Please explain this efficiency you speak of.
You talkin about drops? Ypr? Yac?
How do you go about this breakdown?

That's not true whatsoever.

Those guys can compensate if a key playmaker goes down.

If necessary they can carry an offense.

Then why do they routinely lose 5-8 games each season?

I expect to see far more passes from Alex Smith this year, most in the 0-20 range where he excels.

And that's not a bad thing at all. It only takes 10 yards to get a first down.

That can be said for every team in the NFL.

Who backs up Ray Rice? Adrian Peterson? Eli Manning? Peyton Manning? Von Miller? Aaron Rodgers? Tom Brady? Megatron?

Need I go on?

Are you seriously arguing Alex Smith is as good as those guys?

Slow down there mister, you just talking crazy talk now.

Awesome you prop up your argument by citing what is by far proven throughout the history of the league as the far less successful way of building a team. ROFL

Drafting and developing your own QB accounts for what ~75% of Super Bowl winners? And the rest almost all either were from a very different era or had one off success (like the Ravens and Bucs both of which needed exceptional defense). Brees is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that actually won one that is comparable to the Alex Smith situation, and that required a lot. Brees stepped up his game so dramatically coming off a serious injury. Smith already had a serious injury and did not come back any better, and certainly nowhere close to the improvement that Brees showed.

Your argument is like the idiots that cite some "scientists" that don't believe in something like evolution. Of course if you compare the numbers of them to the opposite then you see just how stupid it is to use them as an argument.

Brady, Aikman, Elway, Favre, Rogers, Roethlisberger, Manning, Manning, Montana, Young, Starr, Naimath, Bradshaw, Staubach, Namath, Griese, Stabler, Flacco...do I really need to continue?

I'd have to check but I think even just making the Super Bowl would have a similar ratio.

But hey, yeah let's buy into the Chiefs way of doing the same thing and expecting different results. :banghead:

Granted I haven't read all the posts but I don't see anyone saying they haven't gotten any better, but most people seem to accept that they really haven't done enough to actually move towards seriously competing for a championship. And short of Alex Smith having his skin grafted over an android, anything that will get them where they want to go (Super Bowl) will require years of development (although if we get lucky maybe that has already started via either Bray or Stanzi but I'm not holding my breath; that's still the most interesting thing to me though is if either of them can make enough improvement to push for becoming the starter).

And what happens if the negative "idiots" are right? Oh let me guess you'll be all for "giving them a chance" to the next QB/coach/etc. Hey, great to have optimism, but calling people idiots for being able to see a recurring pattern of mediocrity and failure is just well, stupid.

In what way do past KC QB's have any effect on how Alex Smith performs?

Your list doesn't help your argument all that much...

Brady- 6th round really want to gamble on late round QB talent?
Elway- drafted by Colts
Farve- drafted by Falcons
E. Manning- drafted by Chargers
Young- USFL then Bucs
Starr- 17th round pick (see Brady)

And you're full of shit.

Yeah, Doug Williams, Brett Favre, Joe Theisman, Brad Johnson, Kurt Warner, Jim Plunkett and Steve Young were all drafted and developed by their teams, then won a Super Bowl.

:facepalm:

You're clearly NOT a scientist.

And your percentage is far off the mark.

Farve and Young? Really?

I know you're a reerun but you don't have to put on display like this, do you?

Mutually Exclusive, reerun. Mutually Exclusive.

What is stupid is people calling themselves fans.. seeing so many changes to key positions.. and yet giving up before football even begins. Whether those people turn out to be right or wrong is fairly irrelevant. The bottom line is.. they are prematurely quitting on their team.

Just imagine for a moment that both "sides" here were surrounded in Arrowhead by the KC GM, coaches and players. Now which side would the GM, coaches, and players respect as fans?

Thing is... no one is demanding blind homerism here. In truth, if the Chiefs had the EXACT same coaches and players going into this season? I can see a reason to feel deflated.. defeated. But that's just clearly not the situation... and that is why the truly open-minded, loyal Chiefs fans are either taking a wait-n-see approach..or even finding a level of optimism in their team being rather good.

CLEARLY an unproven GM, a Head Coach whose latest work can best be described as "southward bound", and yet ANOTHER goddamned retread from the Bay, should have us ALL SHITTING DAISIES!

Jesus H. Balls I wish you would just die.

Fans paying money for merchandising, game day seats, ect can be as critical as they want. We are not obligated to kiss anyone in the FO's ass. We do not have to shut up on a BB, that is just ****ing stupid and the board is worse for the lack of debate. Truth be told, only Maverick has supplied any kind of decent arguments in favor of Smith. Calling detractors who come up with stats, and historical references idiots makes you look like jackasses.

Yes

guy averaged 3.7 YAC and was targeted about 120 times and caught 60 balls.

I just dont consider that efficient. McCluster and Baldwin contributed more with Cassel/Brady Quinn, I think those two would have put up similar numbers with Luck throwing to them last season instead of the garbage they had to deal with.

Why else would the Colts let him walk and replace him with Darius Heyward Bey.

Ty Hilton also passed him very quickly statistically as the season progressed, though Hilton plays the slot, the reads definitely ended up changing.

So by the end of the year he was the fourth maybe even fifth option. There were games were he was targeted 12 to 14 times and he come away with 3 or 4 ****ing catches. That's horrible in my opinion. If he gets targeted that many times in a Chiefs game and only has 3 catches to show for it I'll be screaming at my television.

Who the **** are you? Which of these people you speak of are season ticket holders? The biggest Smith the detractor is a dumb **** that breaks federal law each and every by pirating video, editing it and sharing it with anyone that will watch it.

You want to be critical? Fine. But your argument doesn't hold an ounce of water if it's based on the actions of past coaches and administrations.

That's just lazy and dumb.

LMAO

Dane's butthurt is so strong, his english is failing him.

If this year is a losing season what are you going to say this time next year after this current coaching staff and administration already had a year to showcase? Are you still going to give them a pass? Or can people be critical after the sample size of one year? Is your stance to buy in fully or are you looking for results in year one. People on here are different so I am curious where you stand on this personnel for the upcoming season.