There is a very good chance of this. He is the most sacked QB in football.

and the other two stats? or are you going to say AS is MC except for most of the stupid shit MC does

Alex Smith on average gets sacked 2.5 times per game.

Career fumbles:

Matt Cassel - 41

Alex Smith - 44

We done here?

so, nine seasons is the same as four seasons. ok. got it. and craters of the moon are actually on the moon, not in idaho.

You're so full of shit. If the Chiefs do wind up in the middle of the pack, you will claim you are right. If the Chiefs wind up in the top ten you will still say you are right because the difference between middle of the pack and top 10 is so close.

Let's break it down:

Yards/game-
#10 defense: 333.1
#15 defense: 343.2

Yards/play-
#10 defense: 5.2
#15 defense: 5.3

Points/game-
#10 defense: 21
#15 defense: 21.9

The margins are so close you will claim "victory" one way or another.

c'mon asshat, let's get the answer to this

Break it down per attempt, genious.

Alex Smith: 1 fumble every 49.4 passes.

Matt Cassel: 1 fumble every 49.8 passes.

Good times, eh?

colin st. kaepernick 1 fumble every 46.1 passes

oh noes

You asked, I answered, the truth is the truth.

Alex Smith and Matt Cassel are so similar it's frightening.

ya, and the 49ers are so similar to the 18 - 0 pats cassel played with, it is frightening how ****ing lame you have been over AS.

Mostly you should be frightened that you made a post that sought to separate the two QBs, but it only made the comparison stronger when the data was revealed to you.

I think if you switch matt cassel and Alex Smith around, you will get very similar results.

ie Alex Smith on the Chiefs with Todd Haley and co would be a train wreck just like with Cassel

Matt Cassel on the 49ers under Harbaugh would perform much better


now who would be better on the Chiefs under Reid? I think it's pretty safe to say Alex Smith but i don't think the difference overall would be a big as you think.

I am never going to argue math stats with you folks, obviously that is dumb.

I see completely different players in these two QB's. the most glaring diff is that MC throws with a baseball wind up whereas AS has a normal desirable QB release. the next glaring diff is that AS has desirable ball placement whereas MC throws passes routinely that require WR's to be equipped with ass rockets in order to catch these "passes" that look more like punts or knuckle thrown baseballs that nobody seems to know where they end up.

I need a rocket up my ass to catch that one, Matt.

He doesn't. He has a funky release where he drops the ball down way too low. There's a weird windup.

It's not close to the ideal release.

Better than bad is good!/Lil' Chiefy

MC's baseball pitcher from the stretch wind up gives defenses plenty of time to blanket the play. AS has a much quicker release and is actually pretty accurate throwing on the run, which is what you need in the NFL.

I'll take a look at his release point over the next month, but I don't recall he had the kind of variables in his motion you describe.

every QB has a couple trajectory points used to make certain types of throws, the good ones are very consistent and decisive as to which trajectory to use during a given play call. this area of AS's game is an area of strength, evidenced by his success throwing on the run.

but I'll keep this in mind as the season gets going.

LMAO

That's exactly what it is.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/9/1...iths-mechanics

great Dylan DeSimone thinks alex smith has bad mechanics... for ****'s sake.

Part of the story. Alex's mechanics were off after he had his shoulder surgeries. In fact, he was blasted by a couple of NFL pundits for it. In off season prior to the 2012 season, he went to a throwing coach recommended by Drew Brees. Afterwards said pundits all remarked how much better his motion was.

Do you even watch football? Have you seen Alex Smith play before?

That analysis is spot on, and it's not limited to that one person.

Back when we traded for Alex @TheFilmRoom on twitter was complaining about Alex's poor release. His low windup is one of the reasons he has so many fumbles throughout his career.

Anyway, the guy does not have a good release. It's better than Cassel's, but it's still pretty funky. It's not compact.

If you're going to make this comment, it applies to you as well...because if you really watched Alex, you'd have seen a huge difference in his motion form 2011 to 2012.

Pot meet kettle.

We really should go troll a Vikings board & see what this shit feels like

That would be pointless.

THEY ARE THE NFC VERSION OF US...

You guys can keep trying to find reasons to hate Alex but the fact remains he has not even thrown a pass for us-lol

Is this going to go on all season? Example-Yes Bowe caught it but it did not hit him in the chest for Perfect Football Placement (PFP)- so Alex sucks. Here are stats showing all the footballs thrown in (PFP) by other Quarterbacks which further proves that he sucks. It is irrelevant that Alex threw for 300 yards, 4 TDs and no Int's because his PFP was off on 20% of his passes so this proves he sucks and always will.

Alex Smith has never had a 4 TD game.

except they win more games.

:shake:

Yeah but wetell them all the intangibles Cassel has

Well, let's look at the facts:

Both teams started in 1960. Since the merger of the AFL and NFL, KC has won 1 SB while the Vikings have not won a SB (however they have appeared in 3 SBs). Aside from this one statistic, the Vikings compare favorable to the chiefs: The Vikings have 4 Conference championships, the chiefs have ZERO. The Vikings have 18 Division championships while the chiefs have 8 (that's 10 more for the Vikings, in case you didn't notice). The Vikings have 27 playoff appearances while kc has 16 playoff appearances.

Ummm, wrong. Don't make SH*T up.

Hate all you want but at least be honest.

And yet Vikings fans would trade all that history for our SB.

God you're dumb. I'm guessing you were one of the Bronco fans in the early 90's who said that the Broncos were so great because they went to 4 SB's, but yet didn't have a Lombardi.

Saints playoff game he scored 4, but the running TD that was huge for the game probably won't count in your mind because he didn't throw it.

Well it probably doesn't count because is was a playoff game.

Cause you know it's stats that wins games.

LMAO at homers bringing up rushing TDs.

We're talking about passing TDs, folks.

He's a QB.

Never thrown 4 TD in a game.

Even Cassel did that...more than once, too!

The jets were 18th in points defense and 16th in yards defense the year before they became the #1 defense. The personnel was almost identical. The 2008 scheme mangini ran is very similar to what we ran last year. Top 10 isn't a quantum leap. This defense when motivated is solid enough. Not spectacular, but solid enough. A good scheme could absolutely catapul tthem to the top 10.

So they weren't near the bottom of the league, like us?

Got it.

I said the Vikings win more games and all you have to do is go back to last year to see this. You prop up your single SB victory that happened back in 1969. You weren't even alive back then.

You don't need to throw 4 TD's to win games Clay.

That's funny because Alex Smith scored 4 TD's in a playoff game to beat a QB that throws 4 TD's in a game all the time.

Funny how that works.

I'm a Chiefs fan, I'm acutely aware of that fact.

Don't care about last year. Training camp starts for us today. It's 2013. New and much improved overall team.

Facts are still facts though. We have 1 SB (beating them) and they have nothing.

you heard my call for back up :thumb:

watching MC play QB is like looking at a Jackson Pollock piece.

http://g-ec1.apartmenttherapy.com/26...01_rect540.jpg

The Chiefs were a top 15 yards and points defense two years straight before romeo took charge and everyone played lazy. Forget scheme, this team is going to play with a hell of a lot more energy and discipline than in 2012. And the talent is probably much better than what they had in 2011.

16 playoff appearances in 53 years! That sucks. Zero playoff wins since 1993. 20 years without a playoff win. The Vikings may not be the poster boy team for the NFL, but they sure don't set the suckfest record for inept NFL franchises the way your turd team does.

And people were crediting Romeo for our defensive improvement during those years. LMAO

This team didn't suck last year because of lack of effort. We lack talent up front, period.

You're banking on a coach Jets fans were happy to get rid of as making the difference this year using a bunch of crappy defensive linemen and questionable CBs.

Uh? Yeah sure, being more pressure constant as a defense, in no way going to lead to more pressure from your d line. Do you even understand what you said.....Of course the defensive line is going to get more pressure. They aren't going to be double teamed every play.....holy shit clay.
Did you even READ the entire article? If you scroll to the very bottom, it is clearly stating the difference between, 2011, AND 2012. Alex pretty much fixed all of those problems, including the dreaded knee lock he had.

His Mechanics at this point, are pretty much flawless as a qb goes.

No I'm not banking on it. Like I said, if Sutton knows the scheme. It's possible he is terrible. I like the scheme but a big wait and see on the coordinator.

But in terms of talent, we have solid enough talent with a few terrific players. And they absolutely did play lazy and undisciplined last year and it's because romeo is the worst motivational coach in the Nfl. He can coordinate, but he sure as shit can't get players to play.I can guarantee you at tthe very least that Hali, DJ, flowers, and hopefully berry look like completely different players and that will be less a credit to Reid and Sutton as it is an insult to romeo.

These guys can't beat blocks one on one. They showed that much last year. And DeVito is not a pass rusher.

I'm more concerned about the run defense because we have no one on our line like Pouha and I don't think Poe is the answer. If Poe and Jackson are getting pushed around, it's going to be a disaster.

why would Hali, DJ, Flowers and Berry look completely different? There is no where to go really for those guys, they are top players at their positions and they are all Pro Bowl caliber. There is no "difference" that they can get better or make. They are the model for consistent talent no matter who the coach is

if you say you wanna see a guy like Dontari Poe, Sean Smith, Tyson Jackson, Allen Bailey, Kendrick Lewis take the next step and look "completely" different, THEN its a credit to Reid and Sutton

but to take our only talent and household names and say, well if they play good this year its the coaches credit. Those guys have been playing good since they all entered the league no matter what shit coach or coordinators we have why would this year be any different.

Now that, I can agree with. But that hasn't been your argument. The run defense is something to be concerned about. The pass rush isn't in my opinion. They are going to get pressure on the qb. That much is certain. Personnel dictates that.

Math much?

Matt Cassel has played 5 seasons
Alex Smith has played 7 seasons

They were drafted the same year.

well ... when you talk about sticking rockets and things up your ass you are bound to get tombstone's attention. That's they way he rolls.

You are one dumb sumbitch.

Coming from you that's a compliment.

No. Those guys are great players who didn't look themselves last year. DJ and berry went back to freelancing. Hali didn't look like he had the motor. I pointed out last preseason. Romeo coaches soft. Our players were poorly conditioned, poorly motivated, didn't do tackling drills in the preseason, and played undisciplined.

2011 is what we should expect from these guys, not their shitty performance in 2012.

Who has a SB again?

And it's not like your team is the poster boy NFL team. 1 playoff win in 15 years isn't exactly among the NFL's elite.