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Al Bundy 06-04-2018 08:39 PM

Rocker is still in play.

BigRed 06-04-2018 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 13581505)
Rocker is still in play.

I read that unless the money was right, Rocker was a good bet to go to college

KChiefs1 06-04-2018 08:43 PM

Bubic

4 college arms.

OKchiefs 06-04-2018 08:43 PM

Wow, another college pitcher. I guess they really want some quick moving arms in the system. Makes sense, their pitchers are complete shit overall in the minors.

tk13 06-04-2018 08:44 PM

It's obvious they had a very specific plan and stuck to it.

Great Expectations 06-04-2018 08:44 PM

Safe

cabletech94 06-04-2018 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13581507)
Bubic

4 college arms.

im intrigued.

Jerok 06-04-2018 08:45 PM

Guess they figure it'll be easier to trade for and sign bats.

i like it. I do this in MLB the show... haha

cmh6476 06-04-2018 08:45 PM

Moar pitching :yes:

siberian khatru 06-04-2018 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13581511)
It's obvious they had a very specific plan and stuck to it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 13581512)
Safe

Yep

OKchiefs 06-04-2018 08:47 PM

I guess they can load up on potential bats in the international market, plus their best prospects are almost all bats. This makes sense, and glad they stayed away from high school arms.

Strongside 06-04-2018 08:49 PM

Our farm system, in 4 picks, has gotten significantly better tonight. That’s all you can ask for, really.

duncan_idaho 06-04-2018 08:50 PM

I’m really surprised. There were a lot of HS arms and position players the Royals were connected to, available, and they bypassed them all.

Will be interesting to see what’s left at #58.

Discuss Thrower 06-04-2018 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13581519)
I guess they can load up on potential bats in the international market, plus their best prospects are almost all bats. This makes sense, and glad they stayed away from high school arms.

Marten Gasparini will be a panacea to any and all concerns about the offense.

petegz28 06-04-2018 08:55 PM

Duffy determined to blow every lead handed to him....talk about a disappointment...granted that was a misplayed ball but nonetheless...dude cant get anyone out

duncan_idaho 06-04-2018 08:58 PM

And they went away from their traditional setup in doing all this. Heavy on college arms.

That Bubic kid? Funky delivery and all? Can’t see them drafting him five years ago. Kowar’s delivery also might have precluded him.

They got a top 5 and top 20 talent in Singer and Kiera, and the other two are interesting as well.

Titty Meat 06-04-2018 09:01 PM

I cant believe Duncan doesn't want a prospect for Salvy. This team would be setup nicely in 3 years.

Dartgod 06-04-2018 09:02 PM

Ummm, just walk him.

OKchiefs 06-04-2018 09:02 PM

International signing period coming up should be exciting as well.

Not that it matters too much, but I'd be extremely pleased if our farm system could enter 2019 around #20 or better in baseball, with a jump into the top 10 by 2020.

petegz28 06-04-2018 09:06 PM

Duffy at 52 pitches and not even through the 2nd.....dude has regressed

duncan_idaho 06-04-2018 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13581542)
I cant believe Duncan doesn't want a prospect for Salvy. This team would be setup nicely in 3 years.


I’m not opposed to trading Perez, just know what type of offer it would take.

They don’t move him just to get “A” pick unless it’s a legitimate top 5-10 prospect in all of baseball.

I would listen. But the price would be high.

tk13 06-04-2018 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13581542)
I cant believe Duncan doesn't want a prospect for Salvy. This team would be setup nicely in 3 years.

Perez is 28 years old, is playing like he has 30-40 HR power right now, and is throwing out 50% of runners. You literally aren't going to find anyone better to work with any of these young pitchers, save Yadier Molina, but Perez is in that class. I wouldn't say he's completely off limits, but it better be for more than just "a prospect." Trading off a great player for a lottery ticket when you have them under contract cheap is not always smart.

ChiefsCountry 06-04-2018 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13581559)
Perez is 28 years old, is playing like he has 30-40 HR power right now, and is throwing out 50% of runners. You literally aren't going to find anyone better to work with any of these young pitchers, save Yadier Molina, but Perez is in that class. I wouldn't say he's completely off limits, but it better be for more than just "a prospect." Trading off a great player for a lottery ticket when you have them under contract cheap is not always smart.

And signed very cheap and is the face of the franchise. Would be a dumb move on the organization's part, which is why Billay thinks its good.

Prison Bitch 06-04-2018 09:16 PM

Trading Perez is so dumb it doesn't even merit discussion

WhawhaWhat 06-04-2018 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13581566)
Trading Perez is so dumb it doesn't even merit discussion

Agreed.

Titty Meat 06-04-2018 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13581564)
And signed very cheap and is the face of the franchise. Would be a dumb move on the organization's part, which is why Billay thinks its good.

You could get a nice prospect for him. Hell be 32-33 when the team is finally good again and has had knee problems.

Sure-Oz 06-04-2018 09:27 PM

Another college arm

@MLBDraftTracker: 2 (58): @Royals select Memphis RHP Jonathan Bowlan. http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/262722544/v2074635483 #MLBDraft

@Shauncore: Guarantee you the Royals threw things at the wall after the Angels took Jeremiah Jackson one pick before them.

OKchiefs 06-04-2018 09:27 PM

I'd love to see him traded just to see all the crying on social media, mostly from women who's emotional connection to the players goes to some creepy level beyond their play on the field.

Willie Lanier 06-04-2018 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13581566)
Trading Perez is so dumb it doesn't even merit discussion

^
Agreed

Salvy IS THE ROYALS now, you never kill that karma...

Not only would trading Salvy kill ticket sales, it would be an admission of failure...

He's not a dinosaur, he still has some good years in him

Willie Lanier 06-04-2018 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13581588)
I'd love to see him traded just to see all the crying on social media, mostly from women who's emotional connection to the players goes to some creepy level beyond their play on the field.

*whose

WhawhaWhat 06-04-2018 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13581588)
I'd love to see him traded just to see all the crying on social media, mostly from women who's emotional connection to the players goes to some creepy level beyond their play on the field.

The emotional connection on this board from grown men to Mahomes is even creepier.

Coach 06-04-2018 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13581583)
You could get a nice prospect for him. Hell be 32-33 when the team is finally good again and has had knee problems.

And that's what the DH/1B spot is for.

OKchiefs 06-04-2018 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 13581598)
The emotional connection on this board to Mahomes is even creepier.

I understand that, it's based on his potential to lead us to the promised Land. There's a high number of women who were probably literally in love with His, Moose, Salvy, etc. It's creepy.

OKchiefs 06-04-2018 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willie Lanier (Post 13581596)
*whose

Ehh I don't care

Sure-Oz 06-04-2018 09:38 PM

Looking forward to the trade deadline now. Hope these arms pan out esp the top 2

OKchiefs 06-04-2018 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 13581610)
Looking forward to the trade deadline now. Hope these arms pan out esp the top 2

A successful trade deadline and international signing period, in addition to what we do this week in the draft, could really be a huge start to the rebuild.

ChiefsCountry 06-04-2018 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13581400)
Who's in the discussion next?

Where is the eierman kid projected?

Went to Oakland at 70.

tk13 06-04-2018 09:53 PM

Soler delivers again.

WhawhaWhat 06-04-2018 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13581632)
Soler delivers again.

and almost murdered that ball.

tk13 06-04-2018 10:03 PM

Dayton on the Royals broadcast right now.

Sure-Oz 06-04-2018 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13581646)
Dayton on the Royals broadcast right now.

Duffy promptly gives up a HR.

cabletech94 06-04-2018 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 13581651)
Duffy promptly gives up a HR.

lol.
:deevee:
:cuss:

Sure-Oz 06-04-2018 10:10 PM

GMDM just said 2 teams made their picks just before them.

cabletech94 06-04-2018 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 13581656)
GMDM just said 2 teams made their picks just before them.

thats so royal!

Sure-Oz 06-04-2018 10:12 PM

@BHIndepMO: Two teams picked position players who were #1 on the Royals board. Source: The Dayton phone interview on FSKC. cc: @Shauncore

Sure-Oz 06-04-2018 10:13 PM

@royalsreview: I will guess Jordyn Adams and Connor Scott. https://twitter.com/BHIndepMO/status...51470456975360

cabletech94 06-04-2018 10:15 PM

^i would guess the adams in a heartbeat.

Sure-Oz 06-04-2018 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cabletech94 (Post 13581662)
^i would guess the adams in a heartbeat.

Yep...bummer. pretty cool of gmdm to join the broadcast and be honest that they had their 'pockets picked' on 2 picks.

KChiefs1 06-04-2018 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 13581664)
Yep...bummer. pretty cool of gmdm to join the broadcast and be honest that they had their 'pockets picked' on 2 picks.



One thing about Dayton is that he is a straight shooter.

cabletech94 06-04-2018 10:24 PM

g.d. duff-man.

Kidd Lex 06-04-2018 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cabletech94 (Post 13581658)
thats so royal!

We need to track these guys versus who we got so we can hate ourselves more than usual as Royals fans. 2014/15 🙏

tk13 06-04-2018 10:25 PM

Fly ball city tonight for Duffy. Curious to see if that stat's legit and he's the first guy in decades to get the first 15 outs of a game in the air.

OKchiefs 06-04-2018 10:35 PM

If the Angels took Adams so we couldn't, that's a good thing.

duncan_idaho 06-05-2018 05:17 AM

*** Official 2018 Royals Repository ***
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 13581660)
@royalsreview: I will guess Jordyn Adams and Connor Scott. https://twitter.com/BHIndepMO/status...51470456975360


I’m going to go with Jordyn Adams and (edit) Nick Schnell.

Mecca 06-05-2018 06:12 AM

I'm going to be honest here, I get that the royals have a plan with this obviously but not a big fan. I believe in drafting hitters high over pitchers because they are much more likely to make it.

duncan_idaho 06-05-2018 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13581831)
I'm going to be honest here, I get that the royals have a plan with this obviously but not a big fan. I believe in drafting hitters high over pitchers because they are much more likely to make it.


Don’t think that played out quite the way they wanted. I think they badly wanted a few hitters and got sniped.

If they’re going to go pitching heavy, I’d prefer it be college arms at least, vs projectable HS arms, which are the lowest success rate.

BigCatDaddy 06-05-2018 06:49 AM

If they get 2 middle of the rotation guys and a bullpen arm out of that I would be estatic.

Prison Bitch 06-05-2018 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13581831)
I'm going to be honest here, I get that the royals have a plan with this obviously but not a big fan. I believe in drafting hitters high over pitchers because they are much more likely to make it.

What's your evidence?

Market efficiencies teach us that once everyone starts thinking asyou do, the value shifts the other way.

Mecca 06-05-2018 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13581879)
What's your evidence?

Market efficiencies teach us that once everyone starts thinking asyou do, the value shifts the other way.

High end hitting prospects have a much better rate of making it than pitchers do, the Cubs are an example of a team that has used basically every high pick they've had to draft hitters over pitchers.

Prison Bitch 06-05-2018 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13581883)
High end hitting prospects have a much better rate of making it than pitchers do, the Cubs are an example of a team that has used basically every high pick they've had to draft hitters over pitchers.

In the history of the draft post 1965. From there, let's determine the percentage of hitters and pitchers who went from first-round picks to the major leagues. That table looks like this:

A tie!

If we're not rounding, though, position players have a slight edge at 59.3 percent, compared to 58.7 percent for pitchers. So maybe hurlers aren't that much riskier after all, at least when it comes to turning a first-round selection into a big leaguer.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-round-targets

cmh6476 06-05-2018 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13581883)
High end hitting prospects have a much better rate of making it than pitchers do, the Cubs are an example of a team that has used basically every high pick they've had to draft hitters over pitchers.

I think it's more of a statement on the minor system. We've traded off a lot of arms recently to acquire players, and now they are trying to restock a position which has been depleted. Sean Maneaa, Mike Montgomery, Brandon Finnegan, Matt Strahm...

You can't just offload a bunch of talent at one position and not figure out a way to replace the talent you gave up.

OKchiefs 06-05-2018 07:40 AM

Plus we still have the rest of the draft, trades, and international signings. I imagine we'll have added quite a few hitting prospects by the end of July.

duncan_idaho 06-05-2018 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13581883)
High end hitting prospects have a much better rate of making it than pitchers do, the Cubs are an example of a team that has used basically every high pick they've had to draft hitters over pitchers.


If you’re drafting at the top end, I like that philosophy. When you’re lower - middle to end of the draft - you just kind of have to see it play out and take the best guys on your board.

the Cubs were 6th, 7th, 2nd, 2nd, and 8th to get Baez, Almora, Bryant, Schwarber and Happ.

I could have seen Groshans or Adams had they made it to Kc, but they didn’t, so...

DJ's left nut 06-05-2018 09:24 AM

Y'all murdered that first round.

Singer and Kowar...shite. That's impressive as hell. There are medical concerns with Singer and just funky mechanics concerns with Kowar but the Royals got both of them when all appearances were that they could potentially get neither.

Gorman would've been a great pick for them as well but Singer has genuine ace potential so I can definitely see why they went that route instead. I wonder if they'd have taken Gorman if they knew that Kowar would fall. But either way, nothing to complain about here for you fellas - those are outstanding picks.

duncan_idaho 06-05-2018 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13582011)
Y'all murdered that first round.

Singer and Kowar...shite. That's impressive as hell. There are medical concerns with Singer and just funky mechanics concerns with Kowar but the Royals got both of them when all appearances were that they could potentially get neither.

Gorman would've been a great pick for them as well but Singer has genuine ace potential so I can definitely see why they went that route instead. I wonder if they'd have taken Gorman if they knew that Kowar would fall. But either way, nothing to complain about here for you fellas - those are outstanding picks.


I’m pleased with it. Not sure Singer’s quite a 1 - will need to really refine the changeup - but I can see a good #2 or really good #3 type.

Kowar has higher upside if he can pick up a consistent feel for his curveball. Very-Wacha like, though I think his velocity is a little better coming out of college.

Only quibble is that I would have loved to nab Nick Schnell in the comp round, too. Damn Devil Rays!

Prison Bitch 06-05-2018 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmh6476 (Post 13581898)
I think it's more of a statement on the minor system. We've traded off a lot of arms recently to acquire players, and now they are trying to restock a position which has been depleted. Sean Maneaa, Mike Montgomery, Brandon Finnegan, Matt Strahm...

You can't just offload a bunch of talent at one position and not figure out a way to replace the talent you gave up.

No, it's not. DM himself admitted there's a run on position players which proves there's a market shift. We just found the inefficiency, whether DM knows it.

OKchiefs 06-05-2018 09:46 AM

I'm fine with being relatively conservative and doing what we did. The next 2-3 years with top 5-10 picks is hopefully when we can add some elite high ceiling talent.

DJ's left nut 06-05-2018 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13581553)
I’m not opposed to trading Perez, just know what type of offer it would take.

They don’t move him just to get “A” pick unless it’s a legitimate top 5-10 prospect in all of baseball.

I would listen. But the price would be high.

Spit-balling in the Cardinals thread and thought about you fellas.

Victor Robles, Luis Garcia (super young, super toolsy infielder with a development curve that slots him in perfectly around Mondesi and as a Whit replacement) and Raudy Reed (solid defensive C presently suspended for PEDs but appears to have solid offensive potential) for Perez and Herrera.

The nats have a handful of pretty interchangeable C prospects with Read, Severino, Gushue and Reetz so I don't think the 'who' on that 3rd piece matters much.

Would it take Robles and Kieboom? I stumbled onto Kieboom while I was watching Soto rocket through the system and am pretty sold on him as a long-term asset. With Turner already in Washington, he may be blocked.

If you can get Robles and Kieboom, you have to do that, right? I'd honestly be a little surprised if the Nats gave up that much but they might be desperate to capitalize on Harper's potentially last ride.

duncan_idaho 06-05-2018 10:57 AM

*** Official 2018 Royals Repository ***
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13582155)
Spit-balling in the Cardinals thread and thought about you fellas.

Victor Robles, Luis Garcia (super young, super toolsy infielder with a development curve that slots him in perfectly around Mondesi and as a Whit replacement) and Raudy Reed (solid defensive C presently suspended for PEDs but appears to have solid offensive potential) for Perez and Herrera.

The nats have a handful of pretty interchangeable C prospects with Read, Severino, Gushue and Reetz so I don't think the 'who' on that 3rd piece matters much.

Would it take Robles and Kieboom? I stumbled onto Kieboom while I was watching Soto rocket through the system and am pretty sold on him as a long-term asset. With Turner already in Washington, he may be blocked.

If you can get Robles and Kieboom, you have to do that, right? I'd honestly be a little surprised if the Nats gave up that much but they might be desperate to capitalize on Harper's potentially last ride.


I’d gladly do it for Robles and Garcia. If they want Merrifield, would throw him in and ask for Kieboom, too.

Kieboom was frequently mentioned as a trade target in last year’s Royals thread (by me).

It’s worth mentioning that they have talked with the Nats about Robles before. Almost had a deal for him in 2016.

DJ's left nut 06-05-2018 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13582170)
I’d gladly do it for Robles and Garcia. If they want Merrifield, would throw him in and ask for Kieboom, too.

Kieboom was frequently mentioned as a trade target in last year’s Royals thread (by me).

Yeah, Kieboom wasn't on my radar at all (Soto was though). And as I was watching Soto and mostly just laughing at how badly he was wrecking everyone, I noticed this Kieboom guy also playing really well.

It would be a balls or bust move for the Nationals, man. I mean they could theoretically lose Harper and STILL have one of the top 5 OFs in baseball by 2020 with Robles, Eaton and Soto out there. With Scherzer, Strasburg and Turner still having gas in the tank, maybe Rendon goes back to 2b and Kieboom makes his way to 3b. That's still a team that could contend.

But that Braves system has to get teams with a 'win now' window pretty damn nervous. Do you try to 'out-youth' the Braves via a re-load or push in, get your ring and let Ted Lerner die in peace?

But hey, if we know anything, it's that Rizzo will do the wrong thing and then get extended for it. That guy is the Mike Matheny of general managers. That's a Teflon sumbitch to be sure.

duncan_idaho 06-05-2018 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13582178)
Yeah, Kieboom wasn't on my radar at all (Soto was though). And as I was watching Soto and mostly just laughing at how badly he was wrecking everyone, I noticed this Kieboom guy also playing really well.

It would be a balls or bust move for the Nationals, man. I mean they could theoretically lose Harper and STILL have one of the top 5 OFs in baseball by 2020 with Robles, Eaton and Soto out there. With Scherzer, Strasburg and Turner still having gas in the tank, maybe Rendon goes back to 2b and Kieboom makes his way to 3b. That's still a team that could contend.

But that Braves system has to get teams with a 'win now' window pretty damn nervous. Do you try to 'out-youth' the Braves via a re-load or push in, get your ring and let Ted Lerner die in peace?

But hey, if we know anything, it's that Rizzo will do the wrong thing and then get extended for it. That guy is the Mike Matheny of general managers. That's a Teflon sumbitch to be sure.


The Nats should be pushing all in for this year. Time is now.

Adding players like Perez and possibly Merrifield would be useful in the future, too. Gives them insurance for Murphy this year, improves their C situation a ton for the next 3 years.

Kieboom’s combo of plate discipline and pop is really looking strong this year in a tough hitters league.

Discuss Thrower 06-05-2018 11:27 AM

Salvy becoming a national superstar in the DC market would only be worth it if the Royals got back 2-3 key players in the next decade's WS run.

duncan_idaho 06-05-2018 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 13582204)
Salvy becoming a national superstar in the DC market would only be worth it if the Royals got back 2-3 key players in the next decade's WS run.


That’s what Robles, Kieboom and Garcia would all offer.

Robles is a top 10 prospect with a high floor because of his speed, defense, and hit tool. Still only 20, I believe.

Names to watch today (that would make this draft really successful at first blush):

Nander de Sedas, SS/3B (tough HS signing, top 30 consensus talent)

Kumar Rocker, Cole Wilcox, Daniel Klopfenstein RHp (huge upside Hs arms with solid college commitments)

siberian khatru 06-05-2018 12:10 PM

Today's Royals draft theme appears to be: college outfielders

So far, that's seven straight college players they've drafted

Chris Meck 06-05-2018 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 13582304)
Today's Royals draft theme appears to be: college outfielders

So far, that's seven straight college players they've drafted

looking for faster impact.

KChiefs1 06-05-2018 12:28 PM

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RockChalk 06-05-2018 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 13582365)
looking for faster impact.

They've also been burned by some HS guys in previous drafts...going with safe signing bets, plus yes, hopefully a faster impact

duncan_idaho 06-05-2018 02:36 PM

The Royals are loading up on easy signs in the back half of the top 10, which tells me they’re going to make a serious run at one of the big prep talents after run 10.

Nander
de
Sadas

Let’s do this thing.

KChiefs1 06-05-2018 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13582622)
The Royals are loading up on easy signs in the back half of the top 10, which tells me they’re going to make a serious run at one of the big prep talents after run 10.

Nander
de
Sadas

Let’s do this thing.



Has Rocker been taken yet?

duncan_idaho 06-05-2018 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13582724)
Has Rocker been taken yet?


No.

He and Wilcox and de Sedas are all still available.

Teams will take stabs at them in rounds 11+, when they won’t lose slot money if they don’t sign.

Hope the Royals are one of those teams.


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