I get why the Steelers and Seahawks are doing what they're doing with their two guys, they don't wanna set a precedence for a player forcing his way to a new deal or out.

But it's such a damn distraction.

I hope you're right dude.

I agree.

Veach has the same mindset as you do man. He tried getting this guy in August FFS.

I really think Veach is simply trying to drive the price down before the deadline to get a deal. It’s going to be very interesting to see what happens in the next 5 weeks.

I believe that it is more likely that Earl Thomas is a Chief than anywhere else. There’s more pressure being put on Seattle than anybody.

Thomas wants to get the **** out of there yesterday. His friends are gone and so is his trust from his franchise.

They’ll get rid of him if he presses the issue enough.

Hopefully this deal gets done sooner rather than later. Seattle needs to move on ASAP

That's what I was thinking. Shorter term deal that way we could get out of it when Mahomes needs paid.

They won't move a first rounder. Right or wrong.

Frankly, I think it's pretty ****ing dumb of the Seahawks to not take a 2nd at this point.

Yeah, I didn't expect him to press the issue THIS hard. He wants out badly if he's not going to be paid and he's making it pretty hard for the Seahawks to give him the extension he wants with that additude.

You better be right or I'm gonna find out where you live and give your address to Billay.

This. Take a second and move on. Get rid of the distraction and madness in the locker room. They got rid of everyone else. He's not 26, he's 29 and needs a new deal.

When he comes out and says he won't practice until he gets a new deal....yeesh.

Crap, can I get banned for a threat like this?

Can I get a booth review?

Wednesday just got a lot more interesting on this front. If he skips practice yet again what do you do if you're the Seahawks?

Why would Dallas make that deal also? They're awful.

Trade him to the Chiefs, of course!

:D

Ragland is way behind on reps.

I still expect him to sign his extension with Seattle though, because Chiefs.

I can see why the Seahawks won’t accept a 3rd. I wouldn’t either bc you can get that as a comp.

But to turn down a 2nd? For a guy you won’t pay and clearly wants out?

Seattle turned down Dallas offering a 2nd. Those ****s are pressing for a 1st. In 5 weeks the Seahawks will have to make that decision.

I bet they wilt and accept a 2nd.

He's also way behind on speed. And way behind on tackling fundamentals. And way behind on zone recognition.

It's a 3rd a year earlier.

They can ask for all they want, no one is trading a first for a guy in this situation.

Dang it, you just want neg repped don't you? LOL

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nf...218930605.html

Andy Reid said he hears the rumors about possible trades, like the one that made the rounds Sunday about the Chiefs’ possible interest in Seattle Seahawks safety Earl Thomas.

But Reid threw a stiff-arm at the thought on Monday.

“Right now, we don’t have anything,” the Chiefs coach said. “That’s now where we’re at. I know the rumors out there.”

Meh, they probably don't have anything. But I don't really take anything Andy says with much.

What did you expect him to say? 1) Reid never gives up info, he's always full of coach speak. 2) He can't say anything about this rumor, it would be tampering.

You are setting yourself up.

Exactly. Reid already ****ed away a 3rd rounder for Maclin. He won't make that mistake twice.

:thumb: I think it's allowed

I love how Mort can just throw this out there Sunday, then never have to come back and say anything else about it.

Pretty much. Think at best we're the dark horse.

Bingo

How was Maclin a mistake again?

The tampering. Called him before he was a free agent, I think.

Not really because I don't EXPECT them to do it, I just think they should.

And specifically in response to what you posted, I know Andy Reid's thoughts on the subject are worthless. He won't ever tip his hand. Ever.

Oh yeah, I totally misread that post. :thumb:

Banhammer

So I don't get banned for assault with a deadly ginger but I do get banned for misreading a post? LOL

Yes. Speak to your congress mod

Everyone knows the ginger is harmless.

And to do this you just PM Bob dole

He can't say anything anyway, because collusion.

The tampering is what I was referring to. I loved the signing and didn't have an issue.

Do any of you guys think the delay could be the Chiefs are working on an extension with him or massaging the salary cap to pay him?

I have decided to BELIEVE

Yes!!!!!

No. Seems like the Seahawks are asking for too much in trade compensation.

Tampering my ass they should still let Andy barf on Rogers wife’s tits over that one

To me that mindset only makes sense if you think Mahomes is the best he's ever going to be. If he's a flash in the pan then yeah, bet the farm this year. If we think he's an ascending player who is going to have a great career, then build for him to be surrounded by talent for all those years.

I think there's a lot better chance they can build a great defense over the next several years than there is that they can make this awful defense decent with duct tape and baling wire at midseason.

I'm sure they know a team that's up **** creek when they see one and they aren't going to give a discount for that.

Dude should want to play on a contender. Cowboys aren't that.

I doubt we make the move. Report today was that they expect Berry and Sorensen both to come back and I doubt they feel the pressure to get the trade done given that.

I guess what I’m saying is, I can’t see the Chiefs overpaying for this at all. They’ve got some insurance in their back pockets.

Yarp.

And that’s stupid of them.

Sorensen is coming back from a major injury and Berry will never be 100%. You add Thomas to this defense and it instantly becomes a contender.

I agree, I’m just saying what I read today..

If they view Berry and Sorensen both as guys who can come back and contribute, I don’t see them giving up good picks and signing Thomas to a long term deal anytime soon.

If anything, I hope they’ll use Berry/Sorensen as leverage until Seattle will maybe settle for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

I think you are really overrating the impact of a single defensive player, even a star player, on a team's defensive performance. The Houston Texans had the #1 defense in the NFL in 2016 without J.J. Watt, who was supposedly the best defensive player in the league at the time.

When Justin Houston tore his ACL in 2015 coming off his crazy 22 sack season, the line in Vegas for the next Chiefs game didn't move at all. And prime Houston was a much more impactful player than Earl Thomas. Either this team is a contender now or it isn't, but adding a single defensive player doesn't move the needle in either direction. Its just the nature of defense, where one star player still can only do so much because he has to play within a system and rely on the guys around them to do their jobs as well.

I can see your point to an extent but then you watch teams like Pittsburgh, whose defense hasn’t been the same since losing Shazier, and wonder just how impactful a player can be..

Look at the Raiders without Mack. They can’t rush the passer, can’t win a game.

If EB is healthy and Thomas is single high, you effectively take away the TE and deep threat.

You can blitz more knowing that the back end is good as well as add another man in the box to stop the run.

At this point I’m really warming up to a 2nd. Maybe even a 2nd + mid round pick.

Extend Jones/Hill and just draft all defense again next year.

Htismage is a good salesmen.

Considering we have two second round picks, and right now they are the odds-on favorites to be the last two in the round, I'd absolutely give one up.

One thing I'm starting to wonder about is how often were wedropping Houston into coverage when Berry was healthy.

Yeah for real. More than likely the pick won't be near as good as Thomas. Tired of listening to some of the local guys acting like we are mortgaging our future to get rid of a couple of picks. With Thomas and hopefully Berry sometime soon in the back field this D becomes a middle of the pack unit and if our D can be middle of the pack we will not lose a game. It would be the equivalent of trading for Zobrist. Except we'd have him a few years.

Trade them a 2nd and Breeland Speaks, the slow fat out of position project that will never be.

They have 3 more years until Mahomes receives the first billion dollar contract...get it while you can.

SB > 2nd round pick. That pick is compensation for leaving a gaping hole in the secondary THIS YEAR...and moving Peters. Thomas will be cheaper than Peters would have been....fix the problem you created, Hunt!

How long have we been thinking and saying that we will build a better defense thru the draft?

Haven't done it yet....I don't have faith that our scouts know what a good defensive player looks like.

Now...an offense....Andy seems to have a handle on that.

Ok I went to sleep. Did we sign Thomas overnight?

Yes!

But you're late for all your college finals at once, in your underwear, and you can't find any of the rooms. Now get running!

Yep. To add to that, I'd offer a 2nd round pick b/c we have 2, and we have not done anything with the last 2. At least this way we are getting a sure thing...:shrug:

We traded Mahomes for Thomas.

The big problem with Thomas is the fact he is seeking Berry level type of money. And in case you didnt know, Chiefs have many stars that will need a new contract soon.

Suttons defense has been best when there has been talent at Safety. I would burn that second round pick in a heart beat.

How can we possibly afford Earl Thomas...

... when we’re on the verge of signing BASHAUD ****ING BREELAND, BITCHES!!!!!!!!

Are people not aware of the fact that Dallas already offered a 2nd round pick and were rebuffed? It will take at least a 2nd plus more or a 1st to get him, and that's if Dallas hasn't upped their offer.

“It’s almost like he’s holding out while he’s there in the facility,” Jay Glazer of FOX Sports said Sunday. “He shows up to practice Friday and then, in the middle of practice, he just stops practicing, sits down right there on the sideline, and doesn’t practice again. He shows up late that day, shows up late yesterday to their walkthrough.”

Yeah, don't really know about this one. If we don't pay him what he wants he'll just start to act up again down the road.

I believe the ceiling is flipping Peters trade comp for Thomas. If there's anyone out there that the fans would be happy with trading Peters for, Thomas is on that short list.

We won't trade for a player that wants big money and to play in Dallas. It would be a massive blunder that won't change our SB chances anyway.

I look at it like Bell is being talked about as a 3rd round pick, so a 2nd is plenty for Thomas Seattle will come down

You know it's possible Seattle doesn't want him in their conference if they move him.

And the whole wants to play in Dallas stuff, I'm pretty sure if you'll extent him which this would make happen he'll get over that real quick.

The Chiefs have ****ing 18 million dollars of dead money on their cap right now...acting like they don't have money you realize that plus just Bailey and Ford being gone is like 33 million dollars?

Thomas is gonna be productive longer than Bell.

Cant see Dallas giving up picks, they are going to have a new Coach and QB next year.

Dallas defense isn't their problem anyway, it's that garbage offense.

no

garrett and dak can blame the o-line injuries and lack of signing an adequate receiver to replace dez

neither will be gone next year

Well, there are reports that Dallas hoped to restart trade talks after the game, so unless Seattle just told them to **** off they're still interested. Sorry, but I'd really rather the Chiefs not get into a bidding war for a disgruntled Thomas with a desperate Jerry Jones.