Jimenez was a Top 10 prospect already when traded for Quintana, not to mention Cease. What you’re talking for Whit definitely isn’t less than that.

Eaton was 2 years younger and Quintana is a pitcher who was traded to a team in the same city and in both scenario's there isn't a person around that thinks the teams that acquired those players did not overpay for them. Those players didnt command that, the Cubs and Nationals just went full reerun.

Did you mean “definitely IS less.” ?

I didn’t. If you think 30 year old Merrifield is worth the equivalent of Bo Bichette+, we’re going to have to agree to disagree.

Andrew Miller ****ing sucks

Boom

Goldschmidt kinda looking like Albert right now.

Both those deals had top 10 guys as the centerpieces. Big difference in value in those guys and a guy in the top 30 range. Eaton’s included another top 50 guy and a guy a year removed from being a first round pick in Dunning, who had played well. Quintana’s included a second top 75 guy in Cease.

I was posting from my phone and should clarify a bit. When I was saying top 30 guy, what I really mean is a guy around the top 30, with someone in the 30-50 range qualifying. Poor wording choice on my part.

Top 30-50 type.

Top 50-75 type.

That’s the type of “blow away” I think it would take.

I don’t see any value in a deal like the one DJ proposed, at this point for KC. There’s no point in trading him for a package that doesn’t include a single top 100 guy. They don’t need quantity or prospect depth. They need quality.

They’re better off at that point just waiting for the offseason to move him, if that’s the best offer available.

hes not going to keep hitting them out at this clip but he has the talent to carry a team. Being in 1st place over the Cubs is a great side benefit. Even if it’s temporary.

Haven’t really been following baseball that close this year(Royals are tanking) but was pleasantly surprised to see you guys in first. Congrats!

It’s aggravating that’s for sure...glad the Chiefs are now in training camp.

they have been playing uninspired mediocre baseball for most of the year. 6th highest payroll in baseball filled with overpaid, underperforming veterans. At least for the last 15 games they have been playing great in an average division. Got the Astros, Cubs, Dodgers and A’s coming up. We will find out soon if this was a mirage or a real deal turn around.

:rolleyes:
Nice dumb take

Spoken like a Royals fan who doesnt want to see the player who he just bought a jersey for traded no matter how meaningless his future is to the teams chances of competing down the line.

It's the equivalent to the Cubs when they held onto Castro in the middle of their intentionally tanking years. Only it actually made a little bit of sense for the Cubs to hang on to Castro given his age up until the point when they traded for Russell when they already had Baez in the minors. Castro had 1 bad year and bounced back and they should have traded him right then because you knew where the future lied. Instead they held onto him for another year and he crashed again and they wound up with ****ing Adam Warren who they traded back to the same team they got him from 7 months later because he was terrible.

Better to be in first than doing what my Pirates are doing. :cuss:

It’s not about sentiment. It’s about the value you’re receiving back.

If the best they’re getting offers for is a package that doesn’t even have a single top 100 guy in it, there’s no point in trading him 4.5 years out.

With that amount of control, you can wait the market out a little bit, at least to the offseason.

And if the returns remain marginal, there’s just not much point. If you’re moving him for scratchers tickets, you can do that at any point moving forward.

And how is anyone ever suppose to get into negotiations for a player when the asking price is so astronomical and public that you might as well hang a banner saying "I'm not selling!!"

Ponce ****ing sucks.

5 WAR players under super cheap contracts are incredibly ****ing valuable.

Super cheap and four more years...

Wacha also ****ing sucks.

Sucks about the arm injury but he also could never develop that 3rd pitch.

Of course, but age is against this particular player especially considering he is a speed guy and no one is going to give up 3 MLB ready prospects/players for him. You arent building a team around Whit Merrifield.

Look at what the Indians gave up for Brad Hand and Andrew Miller, neither of whom you'd build a team around.

Indians gave up 1 guy for Hand didn't they and there was also another very good reliever in that trade headed to Cleveland. Granted who they gave up was one of the best prospects in the game but he was also a catcher who had questions about if he had enough contact in his swing to stick.

And there's always been a premium put on pitching, especially left handed pitching.

I just think you're gonna have to take 'close to the majors' OR 'high ceiling' at as the centerpiece for Merrifield.

Torres has an extremely high ceiling as a hitter, but obviously is very far away and thus has no floor to speak of. If you want a guy with a more defined floor, you're not going to get that kind of ceiling.

I think the Royals could use as much 'high ceiling' in their system as they can get. In order to get guys like that, they're gonna have to risk lower floors. With Merrifields age and relatively benign skill set, you're not gonna get high ceiling, high floor guys.

Dylan Carlson has an extremely high floor and a solid ceiling. I don't think that's the kind of guy that will end up the centerpiece of a Merrifield deal. You'll have to take a risk on a guy like Torres or someone like Alvarez was last year and hope that he takes the next step into establishing his floor next season as he gets more full-season ball exposure.

Control isn't the problem with Whit. It's age.

Control is nice, but when it's ages 31-34 in an era where aging curves have cratered (due, IMO, to the rise of high velocity fastballs that are particularly damaging to even slight decreases in batspeed), it's less exciting. Doubly so when it's for one of those classic 'late arrivals' that historically have shorter peaks.

If you're looking at basic trendlines, you figure you're really trading for 2.5 years even if the contract is for 4.5. Now maybe the guy ages like Biggio but Biggio was making AS teams at 25 years old; he's simply in a different historical bracket; a different risk pool so to speak.

I like Whit quite a lot but he's the kind of guy a really good team trades for hoping to become great. I look at the landscape right now and just don't see a team like that who's also going to be willing to give a top 30 prospect for him.

A team that's being overlooked here, however, could be the Dodgers. They love versatile players, they're playing guys like Muncy, Bellinger, Taylor and Hernandez all over the place. They can find starts for him virtually every day at 2b, OF or 1b if they wanted to and another high OBP hitter ahead of Bellinger would be pretty outstanding for them.

They also have a couple of awfully damn good C prospects and appear to really like Will Smith. They could move Keibert Ruiz, Michael Busch and a big arm w/ mechanical issues like say Denny Santana pretty easily.

That said, the Dodgers have been more than willing to just tell teams to !@#$ off if they don't want to come to their asking price. And it seems like a whole lot of teams have eventually relented. And because they don't NEED Merrifield, they are in a better position to get up from the table and walk away if needed.

Ultimately if the Royals are gonna get your homerun package, I'm thinking LAD is where they need to be calling.

The other problem the Royals face right now is that they're asking for a huge package for a guy in Merrifield who's value is in his floor. Meanwhile that same kind of package that Duncan is suggesting could probably get you Syndergaard.

And while Syndergaard as a looooooot more risk, he's also a guy that can steal you a couple games in a playoff series. And no, he's not under control cheaply for 4.5 more years but he IS under control for 2.5 more years and that's around how long Merrifields age says he'll be truly valuable for.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find many teams that would rather have the known quantity of Merrifield over the sky-high upside of Syndergaard. Just my impression.

If that’s really the best type of thing on the table, they won’t trade him. And shouldn’t. There are other ways of acquiring lottery tickets that don’t involve a giveaway of a guy likely to provide a floor of 10 wins over a four year period for $30 million.

You’re proposing a trade that doesn’t have a single top 100 guy in it or a single guy who’s even close to it.

They can get that type of return when he’s a 2-win player at age 32.

That Astros team is loaded with talent. 7 top 11 picks in the draft in 9 years I guess will do it. First 6 hitters with an 660+OPS. How many years did they tank to build that talent? 4 years?

Anything gonna happen today?

I have read **** all about any central team making moves besides the Reds being sellers. The worst division in baseball seems content to suck.

Well someone has to win by default, right?

Also, anyone ever sit in those all inclusive seats at Busch? Wife and I bought tickets to the Pirates game next Friday in Homers Landing. Am I gonna be able to get my $75 worth of beer?

Well someone has to win by default, right?

Also, anyone ever sit in those all inclusive seats at Busch? Wife and I bought tickets to the Pirates game next Friday in Homers Landing. Am I gonna be able to get my $75 worth in beer?

Drink a beer for me as you guys romp all over my Pirates.

I'm going Friday and Saturday, Sunday might happen too if we aren't hungover and ready to gtfo of town. We ate our opening weekend tickets last year on Sunday because it was snowing.

Sucks I'm gonna miss the i70 series for the second year in a row though. They really need to switch that back to 3 games in KC and 3 games in STL on consecutive weekends. This 2 game weeknight series is horse shit.

I'm flying to Oakland on Friday for an extended weekend and will be going to the A's/Cardinals on Saturday. I've heard the stadium is a dump but looking forward to it as another stadium to check off the list. Any suggestions on where to sit in that stadium for those who have been there?

It is a nuclear landfill of a stadium.

So glad when the team is leaving that hellhole. Let the A's have it.

I've sat in the cardinals club behind home plate quite a few times. Definitely worth it. I think I at and drank about 1200 bucks worth of food the last time.

Reds trade for Trevor Bauer. Going all in to try and win the division while the top 3 shit all over themselves. 6.5 games back... probably doable.

Don’t announce trades while games are being played. LOL

Pretty solid brawl in Red -Pirates game. Pitcher for the Reds tried to kick the entire Pirates team's asses.

Must have been mad he wasnt part of the trade to the Indians.

Solid win tonight. Goldy is on fire!

Hell yea.

IM still watching the brawl in Cincy, what a show. You could punish about 30 people.

Puig got traded and may get suspended after. LMAO

Pirates whipped the Reds' asses on the field and in combat.

You can hang your hat on that tonight.

Too bad the starting pitching is so inconsistent, because this bullpen has developed into a major strength.

several national writers have called it the best overall bullpen in baseball. We got the focused Martinez tonight for a change. :clap:

Brewers just lost too

I don’t know who that pitcher is, but that ain’t one of those pussy hold me back baseball “fights”. I’d like dudes with that passion on my team.

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So you seamheads, if we want Ray, do we have to give up Gorman? Or what package gets him?

Not sure how the insiders view Ray compared to Bauer but outside of Bauers last season where he looked like he turned into a stud ace they arent too far apart in terms of careers. Bauers a little bit ahead but then you've got the whole but hes a lefty shit in favor of Ray. I would be surprised if Gorman wouldn't be in a deal for Ray.

It's pretty crazy to me the gap between what it cost to get Stroman compared to Bauer.

So is 2 years of Ray worth 6 years of Gorman?

No.

On San Diegos end or Cincy's end?

Amir Garrett is kinda ****ing nuts, even on a good day.

There's a lot of Julian Taverez in that boy.

Here's a pretty funny breakdown of the entire sequence:

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I'll be more than upset if we trade Gorman or Carlson for someone other than a true star.

Strikeout rates turn heads these days and Bauer strikes guys out.

I don't understand why the Reds gave up that much to get him apart from the year of control next season. Bauer's become quite the innings eater if he can manage to not have his leg broken by a liner. But I wonder if part of his struggles this year aren't related to no longer having Klubot and Carrasco to do the top of the rotation stuff. I wonder if he's truly capable of being a staff ace like the Reds will ask of him.

And if he's getting that frustrated about a rocky inning in KC, what's he gonna do when a routine fly ball gets out of the launching pad at GAB?

Trammel is a ton to give up for a high variance pitcher like Bauer. I understand that he's a guy you can give the ball in game 1 and think he can steal you a W or two in a short series, so his value is higher than a guy like Stroman who is pretty middle of the road. But over 32 starts the difference between the two of them isn't that huge given Bauer's inconsistency.

And the Reds aren't the Astros, Dodgers or Yankees. A Game 1 start is by no means a given.

An odd move for them to be sure.

And no, I wouldn't give up Gorman for Bauer but I'd still consider it for Thor.

I don't think I'd move Gorman or Carlson. The Cards need one of (both?) of those guys to develop into legit dudes to compete in the future.

Don't squander anything on this lucky shit team.

45 minutes left with no activity. Don’t want to see the usual give up stuff of real value for crap but seems like some tinkering could be done for a LH bench bat or flier on change of scenery type of SP.

There goes Gyorko to the dodgers at presumably rock bottom value.

Good ol' "Sell Low Moe" strikes again.

****ing guy has no concept of trading high. Dude hits 50 HRs and plays plus defense over 900 PAs and still has 3 years of team control left at the time, the Cardinals decide they're not going to start him at 3b but also not do...anything with him.

And over the next 2 seasons his value decays to a mere salary dump.

Because John Mozeliak is a ****ing trash GM. Corey Dickerson is the LH bat we've needed off the bench for 2 years and he just got traded (again) for essentially nothing; what appears to be bonus money or cash considerations.

Moe is just awful. This team will go nowhere as long as he is running it.

Agree with all of that. Also this trade potentially just helps the best NL team for cash savings.

Does Not appear thats a concern, they opted to get worse instead.

A ton of pitching traded and we do... nothing. Mo needs to be fired if this team doesn't make the playoffs, period. I have no faith in this FO.

Moe needs to be fired if they do make the playoffs.

I don't know what else we need to see to recognize that he's been bypassed by half the league or more. He's simply not a good general manager and whatever the advantages he had on the league 5 years ago, he's clearly been caught and passed since.

He's past his sell-by date. Kinda like every player who's value he's run into the ground and dumped for pennies on the dollar.

Whatever happened to his willingness to 'walk the plank' for Mike Matheny? Sure doesn't seem to have eaten any shit over that disaster.

Greinke to the Stros.


Nice

Astros and Yankees were in on the same pitchers that didn't end up getting traded but the Astros turn around and get Greinke and Sanchez.

Yankees...

Cubs got Castellanos from the Tigers. Quality hitter they probably got on the cheap.

But hey, the Cardinals dumped some salary and have Michael Wacha scheduled to make a start so we have that going for us...

Alex Lange and Paul Richan going to Detroit.

Alex Lange was a former 1st round pick but he hasn't shown shit in the minors and has actually lost velocity on his fastball and was plummeting in ranks on one of the worst minor league systems in the game so I doubt he ever even sniffs a call up. Paul Richan 22 years old in A+ and doesnt have a single plus pitch with a low 90's fastball.

The Cardinals got Tony Cingrani in the Gyorko deal.

Nice lefthanded reliever who can miss bats....

.....and is out for the rest of the season with a torn labrum.

Great !@#$ing deadline, Moe. "All-in for 2019" indeed.

Ass.

And who is a free agent at the end of the year. This is just a salary dump. We also gave them international slot money because why invest in the future.

We're not going to spend it on anyone worth a shit anyway.

Have you seen the guys they sign in those international periods now? A bunch of bottom of the barrel scrap because they barely bother to invest in international scouting now.

This team's just the worst kind of indifferent.

Honestly aside from a blockbuster deal for Thor or something like that there was no need to do jack shit anyway because this team isn't going anywhere this season.

Man the Cardinals are pathetic.

Brewers too.

I mean add Wheeler, Stroman, or someone decent and I as a Cubs fan would be nervous.

But you let the Cubs dink around and get guys like Kemp and Castellanos (who I love) and a couple arms, and you make Theo look smarter than he is.

I know Cards fans who seem to think the Cardinals will be in and attempt to win the Gerrit Cole sweepstakes.

For real.

So they supposedly engaged about Wheeler but wouldn't part with......O'neil or Bader.



Woof.

Archer. LMAOLMAOLMAO

The Cubs are at least trying. Sadly, they'll end up winning the division. They won't do shit other than that, but our purgatory of staring up at them in the standings will continue. :shake:

Ouch :shake:

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