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VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-17-2021 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15553809)
He’s sick of losing
He’s played LB in a 4-3 at a high level
He’s in love with KCs roster and specifically Mahomes
He’s praised KC after almost every matchup

If we could find a way to add Miller and Watt to this defense (neither would count against the comp pick formula) at reasonably small pay rates (both have banked more than 100m in their careers and value winning, but I know it’s a pipe dream)...that would make this the top defense in football and open up the draft.

It would also let us collect significant comp picks for departing players we wouldn’t need to sign players wiry expiring contracts to replace...getting us a couple comp picks in the 2022 draft.

Miller has a cap hit of 17.5 mil this year so I can see the Donks cutting him

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-17-2021 12:17 PM

Boom!! Miller expected to be cut

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Graziano: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Broncos</a> are “likely” to decline Von Miller’s $18M team option. That would make him an unrestricted free agent.<br><br>MORE: <a href="https://t.co/2PWjUZbFL3">https://t.co/2PWjUZbFL3</a> <a href="https://t.co/Hj39YSiiZJ">pic.twitter.com/Hj39YSiiZJ</a></p>&mdash; uSTADIUM (@uSTADIUM) <a href="https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1362043635458596867?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Franchise 02-17-2021 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15553799)
No I haven’t please post it!

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — One month from now, the Chiefs will begin rebuilding certain spots of their roster. With limited salary cap space, general manager Brett Veach and coach Andy Reid will attempt to attract certain free agents who they believe can help the Chiefs make a third consecutive trip to the Super Bowl.

The Chiefs, though, have plenty of decisions to make with their own upcoming unrestricted free agents before the NFL begins its free agency period. Amid the coronavirus pandemic, the league is expected to have a flatter projected salary cap, perhaps set at $185 million, for the 2021 season.

Even before the Super Bowl earlier this month, Veach said he and his front office staff had already begun looking at multiple versions of how to construct the Chiefs’ roster with a $185 million salary cap.

“It could be anywhere from $175 (million), $185, $195,” Veach said of next season’s cap. “From $175 to $195, it’s a big deal for us.

“We always have a couple different roadmaps to get us to where we want to be. We’ll certainly have some tough decisions to make in regards to trying to keep as many players on this team intact. Sometimes these plans are dependent on how the dominos fall elsewhere with certain players.”

Such circumstances are expected to force Veach and Reid to maneuver this offseason similar to how they did last spring, when the league handled every major event, including free agency, in a virtual manner. A difference this year, of course, is that the Chiefs are no longer the reigning Super Bowl champions. But the day after their Super Bowl loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Reid stressed that the team’s evaluation of its own upcoming free agents must emphasize the entire 2020 season instead of focusing too much on the disappointing outcome of the team’s final game.

“That’s what’s important here about stepping back for an inch, so you can kind of reflect and think,” Reid said. “When we do that as coaches and give our reports to Brett, we look at the whole picture.”

Veach acknowledged two facts when discussing the Chiefs’ offseason. He explained that a large reason the team was successful last season was because of the Chiefs’ ability to retain several core players last spring. And Veach understands the Chiefs likely won’t have the same level of continuity for the 2021 season.

Ahead of the league’s new year, set to start on March 17, here are our predictions for all 18 of the Chiefs’ unrestricted free agents, with all contract figures courtesy of Over the Cap:

The three big names

WR Sammy Watkins
Prediction: Hits the market

Almost a year ago, Watkins and the Chiefs believed that 2020 would likely be their final season together. Watkins restructured the final year of his contact on April 3, one that had many incentives that he never reached, in part because of injuries. The disappointing part for the Chiefs is that Watkins didn’t make an impact in the postseason, as he did the previous two years, because of a nagging left calf injury.

The Chiefs will make an attempt to retain Watkins, but the most logical outcome is that Watkins hits the free-agent market to find out how valuable he is. As with many of the Chiefs’ free agents, another team could outbid them for Watkins’ services.

“I hope so,” Veach said of Watkins possibly returning. “Every year is different. Sammy’s a big part of this offense. When he’s healthy, we’re better. If there’s a way we can make it work again, we’ll certainly try to do that.”

CB Bashaud Breeland
Prediction: Hits the market

Similar to last spring, Breeland is hopeful that a sizable payday is coming. He had another strong season last year with the Chiefs, recording two interceptions, nine pass breakups and showing plenty of physicality when in press man coverage. It’s possible Breeland could sign another one-year deal with the Chiefs if no other team offers him a multi-year contract, but the Chiefs might not need Breeland as much as they did a year ago. The depth at cornerback has improved with Charvarius Ward, L’Jarius Sneed, Rashad Fenton, DeAndre Baker and BoPete Keyes all projected to be contributors next season.

RB Le’Veon Bell
Prediction: Hits the market

At times, Bell was effective in his role as the primary backup and mentor to running back Clyde Edwards-Helaire. At age 28, Bell joined the team in October as a rental, and he wants to make as much money as he can in free agency. The Chiefs also don’t have a ton of snaps they can promise Bell next season. Edwards-Helaire will be the starter with the return of veteran Damien Williams and fourth-year player Darrel Williams, who is a restricted free agent.

Starters

DE Alex Okafor
Prediction: Hits the market

During training camp in August, Okafor agreed with the Chiefs to restructure his contract, which voided the final year of his original three-year, $18 million deal and makes him a free agent this spring. The decision indicates that Okafor wants to see if he can sign another multi-year deal to be a contributor with another contender.

Okafor played on a one-year, $4.96 million contract last season. The Chiefs are expected to pursue signing another veteran pass rusher at close to the same deal, with options such as J.J. Watt, Carl Lawson, Olivier Vernon and Romeo Okwara being available.

G Kelechi Osemele
Prediction: Re-signs

Osemele loved playing for the Chiefs and protecting superstar quarterback Patrick Mahomes before tearing a tendon in both knees in October. If Osemele makes a full recovery, he is a suitable option to help fortify the Chiefs’ offensive line. Osemele was one of the Chiefs’ best run blockers last season, and he could compete for one of the starting guard spots if he returns by training camp. A one-year deal can be advantageous for the Chiefs and Osemele, a 10-year veteran at age 31.

“I think people want to play with Patrick Mahomes,” Veach said of veterans such as Osemele, who joined the team just before training camp last season. “That helps. When you have sustained success, and you play with a coach like Andy Reid and a player like Pat, I think those players know they’ll get a chance to win and play on the biggest stages. That’s a good pitch to throw at players.”

C Austin Reiter
Prediction: Re-signs

Reiter is not one of the best centers in the league, but he is one of the best free agents at the position. Sheil Kapadia, one of The Athletic’s national writers, has Reiter as the No. 2 free agent center in his annual listing of the best available players. Reiter, 29, has a good relationship with Mahomes, and the Chiefs should attempt to re-sign him to a one-year deal.

The Chiefs are also expected to target center in the draft to find a long-term solution. Dane Brugler, The Athletic’s NFL Draft writer, has projected the Chiefs to select Landon Dickerson, the talented center from Alabama, with their 31st overall pick.

LB Damien Wilson
Prediction: Hits the market

One of Veach’s most underrated moves was signing Wilson to a two-year, $5.75 contract in 2019. Since then, Wilson has been a solid contributor. But the Chiefs need to upgrade at the position. Willie Gay, the second-year player and former second-round pick, is expected to play the snaps that Wilson had last season. Veach could also spend free agency looking to sign another young linebacker that the Chiefs project to be an ascending player.

Role players

WR Demarcus Robinson
Prediction: Hits the market

Last year, Robinson re-signed with the Chiefs on a one-year, $2.3 million contract. He was a contributor at times, but has yet to record at least 500 receiving yards in a season during his five years with the Chiefs. Robinson will look to secure a multi-year deal in free agency while the Chiefs could replace him by selecting another speedy receiver in the draft.

S Daniel Sorensen
Prediction: Re-signs

Yet again, Sorensen should return to the Chiefs despite some of his limitations. One could make the argument that Sorensen was the Chiefs’ most valuable player age 30 or older, alongside left tackle Eric Fisher, last season. Sorensen has the versatility to be a safety or a linebacker in defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo’s scheme. He is also clutch in the postseason and has a willingness and skill to be an above-average special-teamer. The Chiefs could sign Sorensen to a one-year deal with a maximum worth of $4 million through incentives.

FB Anthony Sherman
Prediction: Re-signs

Although Sherman is 32, he was still a productive player last season on offense and special teams. Fans shouldn’t be surprised if Sherman re-signs with the Chiefs on another one-year deal that is close to $1 million.

CB Antonio Hamilton
Prediction: Hits the market

After the free agency period last year, Veach acknowledged that he wanted to sign Hamilton to a two-year deal instead of a one-year contract. Since Hamilton never became a rotational player on defense last season, he is unlikely to return to the Chiefs. Hamilton is still capable on special teams, but the Chiefs could replace (or even increase) his production by signing another free agent or prioritizing cornerback in the middle rounds of the draft.

DT Mike Pennel
Prediction: Hits the market

In 2019, Pennel was a hero as a run-stuffing defender in the middle of Spagnuolo’s scheme. Pennel had flashes last season, but was too often an inconsistent player. Ahead of free agency, Pennel is in favor of re-signing with the Chiefs. But the team has younger options at his position in Derrick Nnadi, Tershawn Wharton and Khalen Saunders,

DE Tanoh Kpassagnon
Prediction: Hits the market

With 15 starts last year, Kpassagnon had a disappointing season, recording just one sack and four quarterback hits. The lack of production, after four seasons with the Chiefs, makes this decision an easy one for Veach, Spagnuolo and Reid. The Chiefs will look to upgrade the position opposite star defensive end Frank Clark.

Other unrestricted free agents

TE Ricky Seals-Jones
Prediction: Hits the market

Sadly, Seals-Jones didn’t record a single statistic last season. His lone moment was when he dropped a pass in the Chiefs’ win in October over the Buffalo Bills. Known for his receiving skills, it was surprising that Seals-Jones couldn’t beat out Deon Yelder on the depth chart.

RT Mike Remmers
Prediction: Re-signs

The Chiefs will need a backup tackle, perhaps multiple, for next season. Remmers can fulfill that role on an admirable level. The problem is that he likely will be most remembered by fans for his struggles in the Super Bowl when he had to replace Fisher as the starting left tackle. During the regular season, Remmers was a quality swing tackle who is more consistent at that job than Cam Erving, who he replaced when joining the Chiefs’ last year. If Remmers re-signs with the Chiefs on a one-year deal, he will be asked to be a reliable backup, joining other tackles such as Mitchell Schwartz, Lucas Niang, Yasir Durant and Martinas Rankin.

C Daniel Kilgore
Prediction: Hits the market

At age 33, Kilgore started four games last season. Similar to Bell, Kilgore was considered a one-year rental and backup option when he joined the team during training camp.

G Stefen Wisniewski
Prediction: Hits the market

The Chiefs will always appreciate Wisniewski for his skills and play during the 2019 season’s playoffs to help the team win the Super Bowl. Wisniewski didn’t have the same success last season, and the Chiefs are expected to replace him with the return of veteran guard Laurent Duvernay-Tardif.

DE Taco Charlton
Prediction: Re-signs

As a former first-round pick, Charlton was in the midst of having an impressive season, similar to Emmanuel Ogbah in 2019, when he fractured his right ankle and tore his LCL in early November. Charlton recorded two sacks and four quarterback hits in seven games. If he remains healthy next season, Charlton, at age 26, is expected to enter the prime of his career. He is in favor of re-signing with the Chiefs, and the team is expected to make an effort to retain him as a rotational player.

Sassy Squatch 02-17-2021 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15553801)
The first list are all plus players, some of them blue chip.

The second list is a whole lot of fail outside of Mosely and Ogletree.

LMAO Come on. Simmons couldn't crack the starting lineup in a dismal Cardinals defense, Gary is an edge, Edmunds isn't anywhere near where people thought he'd be based on potential, and Reddick finally had one decent season this year after being trade fodder.

Patrick Queen had the best rookie season this year of the LBs taken in the first and he was the last one.

The Franchise 02-17-2021 12:19 PM

How much you want to bet that Miller goes to either the Ravens or the Bucs?

BossChief 02-17-2021 12:19 PM

Signing Miller is a pipe dream, but it would be an amazing addition. He can play DE or SLB, his idol is Derrick Thomas snd he loves Mahomes.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-17-2021 12:19 PM

I’d rather have Von Miller over Watt please! Veach make it happen!

RunKC 02-17-2021 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15553770)
Supposedly Nate Taylor said the Chiefs “are expected to pursue and upgrade at the DE spot opposite Clark, potentially a veteran option”.

Watt, Lawson, Okwara, etc.

They’re likely going to sign somebody.

This is where I am. The smart money says get a DE in FA and then attack the offense early with OL and a WR.

This draft is perfect for us to retool the OL and receiving positions.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-17-2021 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15553824)
How much you want to bet that Miller goes to either the Ravens or the Bucs?

If it’s the Bucs, just means they probably lost Shaq Barrett. So either way, meh.

Now Baltimore is intriguing. But BossChief made some strong points. I bet he wants to be a Chief, if it can be worked out. He’s always praised Mahomes, even after just his first start.

Hoover 02-17-2021 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15553780)
Did you read his entire article?

https://theathletic.com/2392815/2021...shared_article

He lays out his predictions for all of our FAs. I can post it here or start a new thread.

My biggest fear is that the Chiefs resign Reiter...

Sassy Squatch 02-17-2021 12:24 PM

Good Lord please don't use Mike Remmers as a swing T if he's brought back. He's ****ing atrocious at LT. RT depth is fine but that's it.

staylor26 02-17-2021 12:24 PM

I want Von.

He loves Pat and Fisher, and he’s a better fit than Watt.

Sassy Squatch 02-17-2021 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15553824)
How much you want to bet that Miller goes to either the Ravens or the Bucs?

They letting Judon and/or Ngakoue go?

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-17-2021 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15553838)
I want Von.

He loves Pat and Fisher, and he’s a better fit than Watt.

Agreed!! Let’s make it happen Veach!!

pugsnotdrugs19 02-17-2021 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15553838)
I want Von.

He loves Pat and Fisher, and he’s a better fit than Watt.

Forgot about Fisher too.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-17-2021 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15553841)
They letting Judon and/or Ngakoue go?

Both are FAs. So at least one of them probably.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-17-2021 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 15553848)
Forgot about Fisher too.

We need to extend Fisher in my opinion and cut bait with Schwartz

RunKC 02-17-2021 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15553838)
I want Von.

He loves Pat and Fisher, and he’s a better fit than Watt.

Frank Clark was at his pass rush summit as well. There’s a lot of connections there

The Franchise 02-17-2021 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15553841)
They letting Judon and/or Ngakoue go?

Judon is a FA , I believe

pugsnotdrugs19 02-17-2021 12:32 PM

Now, Watt still has the Tyrann connection too.

I’d like one or the other. Its a major juice adding move following a tough loss.

The Franchise 02-17-2021 12:32 PM

Where had Miller talked about Fisher?

Sassy Squatch 02-17-2021 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15553856)
Judon is a FA , I believe

They both are.

staylor26 02-17-2021 12:32 PM

There are going to be enough good DE’s on the market for us to come away with 1.

I’m pretty much banking on it at this point.

They still need to draft one too though.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-17-2021 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15553856)
Judon is a FA , I believe

Judon and Yannick both FA

staylor26 02-17-2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15553867)
Where had Miller talked about Fisher?

They’re buddies. They’ve gone hunting and shit before.

The Franchise 02-17-2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15553869)
There are going to be enough good DE’s on the market for us to come away with 1.

I’m pretty much banking on it at this point.

They still need to draft one too though.

Sign Watt or Miller and draft Daelin Hayes in the 4th-5th round area.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-17-2021 12:34 PM

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mkp785 02-17-2021 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 15553826)
I’d rather have Von Miller over Watt please! Veach make it happen!

Seems more likely. Watt is probably going to GB or Pitt. Maybe we can get Miller on a revenge signing if he's pissed at Denver.

BossChief 02-17-2021 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15553836)
Good Lord please don't use Mike Remmers as a swing T if he's brought back. He's ****ing atrocious at LT. RT depth is fine but that's it.

Remmers was pretty good at RT.

He didn’t give up a sack on over 700 snaps.

I’d be perfectly fine with giving him a 2 years deal and starting him at RT while giving Niang a shot on the left.

The Franchise 02-17-2021 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15553873)
They’re buddies. They’ve gone hunting and shit before.

Interesting. Never heard that before.

Sassy Squatch 02-17-2021 12:35 PM

I'd rather have Von, and it seems like it'd be more realistic to happen.

The Franchise 02-17-2021 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15553884)
Remmers was pretty good at RT.

He didn’t give up a sack on over 700 snaps.

I’d be perfectly fine with giving him a 2 years deal and starting him at RT while giving Niang a shot on the left.

Oh shit....here we go again.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-17-2021 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15553885)
Interesting. Never heard that before.

I embed a video with them doing outdoors stuff together

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-17-2021 12:36 PM

Von does have some baby mama drama and legal issues currently

RunKC 02-17-2021 12:36 PM

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The Chiefs are also expected to target center in the draft to find a long-term solution.
My God. If Osemele comes back heathy looking like he did last year...and we put Creed Humphrey right next to him?

Goddamn

BossChief 02-17-2021 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mkp785 (Post 15553878)
Seems more likely. Watt is probably going to GB or Pitt. Maybe we can get Miller on a revenge signing if he's pissed at Denver.

Con has been pissed at Denver since before signing his last extension there and in his last few interviews has been visibly done being there.

Going to a winner like KC would revitalize his energy and career.

The Franchise 02-17-2021 12:37 PM

Do you play Von at LB or DE?

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-17-2021 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15553892)
My God. If Osemele comes back heathy looking like he did last year...and we put Creed Humphrey right next to him?

Goddamn

Our o line could potentially look like Fisher, Allegretti or Osemele, Humphrey, LDT and Niang

BossChief 02-17-2021 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15553888)
Oh shit....here we go again.

What do you mean?

You’d be disappointed if Remmers was brought back on a cheap 2 year deal?

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-17-2021 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15553896)
Do you play Von at LB or DE?

He plays the same position as Frank Clark. You put him on the opposite side and you have Clark, Nnadi, Jones and Miller. That makes it instantly a top 5 DL in the league

Sassy Squatch 02-17-2021 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15553884)
Remmers was pretty good at RT.

He didn’t give up a sack on over 700 snaps.

I’d be perfectly fine with giving him a 2 years deal and starting him at RT while giving Niang a shot on the left.

https://i.gifer.com/53sm.gif

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-17-2021 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15553901)
What do you mean?

You’d be disappointed if Remmers was brought back on a cheap 2 year deal?

I’m ok with it as long as he never plays LT again

The Franchise 02-17-2021 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15553901)
What do you mean?

You’d be disappointed if Remmers was brought back on a cheap 2 year deal?

I’m talking about an offensive line argument.

mkp785 02-17-2021 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15553893)
Con has been pissed at Denver since before signing his last extension there and in his last few interviews has been visibly done being there.

Going to a winner like KC would revitalize his energy and career.

It'd be great payback for Neil Smith. IDK how his legal will work out. It sounded bad but I'm sure if we sign him, we have faith he'll be here week 1.

BossChief 02-17-2021 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15553769)
I don’t think Spags saw him as the best option. He saw him as the ONLY option.

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15553888)
Oh shit....here we go again.

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15553907)

I think some of you are looking at his performance in the Super Bowl and laughing at my suggestion of bringing him back.

He was a solid player at RT, but was atrocious at LT.

So, I can see some of you having pause moments when talking about bringing him back...but solid RTs are hard to find, too.

Sassy Squatch 02-17-2021 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15553918)
I think some of you are looking at his performance in the Super Bowl and laughing at my suggestion of bringing him back.

He was a solid player at RT, but was atrocious at LT.

So, I can see some of you having pause moments when talking about bringing him back...but solid RTs are hard to find, too.

Uh, no, that's directed at your suggestion Niang go to LT.

htismaqe 02-17-2021 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15553922)
Uh, no, that's directed at your suggestion Niang go to LT.

Niang has the tools to play LT. As much as any rookie they might bring in.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-17-2021 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15553918)
I think some of you are looking at his performance in the Super Bowl and laughing at my suggestion of bringing him back.

He was a solid player at RT, but was atrocious at LT.

So, I can see some of you having pause moments when talking about bringing him back...but solid RTs are hard to find, too.

Just like Wylie, he was decent at RG but god awful at RT. Idk who was worse Remmers at LT or Wylie at RT

BossChief 02-17-2021 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15553922)
Uh, no, that's directed at your suggestion Niang go to LT.

Have you watched him play?

What makes you think he can’t play left tackle?

He has the hips, punch, athleticism, natural knee bend, quickness...everything you look for in a LT.

In fact, I’ll take it a step further.

When I watch him in his pass sets, I see a guy very similar to a guy that used to ride his bike around the campus at River Falls.

Sassy Squatch 02-17-2021 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15553925)
Niang has the tools to play LT. As much as any rookie they might bring in.

You're comfortable pencilling him in as the starting LT before he's even been in the building? After he's had surgery and been out of football for over a year? LMAO Alrighty then.

htismaqe 02-17-2021 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15553933)
You're comfortable pencilling him in as the starting LT before he's even been in the building? After he's had surgery and been out of football for over a year? LMAO Alrighty then.

I'm not comfortable penciling in anybody that's completely unknown at the most important position on the offensive line.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-17-2021 12:51 PM

This is Niang’s summary from The Draft Network, written in December of

Summary - Lucas Niang is a high-upside starter in the NFL. Niang's mobility would make him a great fit in a zone style system and his length and range as a pass blocker make him an attractive option for teams with deeper passing concepts. There is some refinement needed in Niang's footwork but he shows all the requisite physical skills to be a plus starter in the pros. Should find the field early and improve through first few seasons. Should be healthy for the 2020 season.

I mean...

I’d prefer to play him at his more natural RT position, but either way, he IS a guy you expect to start.

BossChief 02-17-2021 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15553933)
You're comfortable pencilling him in as the starting LT before he's even been in the building? After he's had surgery and been out of football for over a year? LMAO Alrighty then.

I don’t think we’re coming from the same place in this evaluation.

What tools does Niang not possess that are critical for a successful LT?

The guy didn’t give up a single sack and only 1 pressure while playing the year (before they shut him down) with an injured hip.

If healthy, he would probably be a better LT than Fisher.

RaidersOftheCellar 02-17-2021 12:53 PM

I don't want that scumbag Miller. Have to have some standards.

Sassy Squatch 02-17-2021 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15553942)
I don’t think we’re coming from the same place in this evaluation.

What tools does Niang not possess that are critical for a successful LT?

The guy didn’t give up a single sack and only 1 pressure while playing the year (before they shut him down) with an injured hip.

If healthy, he would probably be a better LT than Fisher.

Exactly. If. Assuming he'll be the exact same after an operation on his hip seems crazy to me, especially given the circumstances of his opt out and not being able to bring him into the building.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-17-2021 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 15553946)
I don't want that scumbag Miller. Have to have some standards.

I bet you were against the drafting of Tyreek Hill too and the signing of Frank Clark

htismaqe 02-17-2021 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15553953)
Exactly. If. Assuming he'll be the exact same after an operation on his hip seems crazy to me, especially given the circumstances of his opt out and not being able to bring him into the building.

At this point what do we have other than "if"?

A draftee would be unproven.

Fisher is hurt and his future is uncertain.

Remmers is awful.

Seriously, what do you want to do at this point that's a "sure thing"? Because there isn't one that I can see.

Sassy Squatch 02-17-2021 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15553958)
At this point what do we have other than "if"?

A draftee would be unproven.

Fisher is hurt and his future is uncertain.

Remmers is awful.

Seriously, what do you want to do at this point that's a "sure thing"? Because there isn't one that I can see.

Already said it multiple times. Trade up for one of the best T prospects in the draft. It'd be a hell of a lot closer to a sure thing in my eyes than pencilling in Niang who was a RT in college and coming off an operation to his hip.

BossChief 02-17-2021 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15553953)
Exactly. If. Assuming he'll be the exact same after an operation on his hip seems crazy to me, especially given the circumstances of his opt out and not being able to bring him into the building.

Again. Even with the injury (which he played with and performed at an elite level) he was great. After the surgery and a full year to heal, he will be at peak ability. He’s also had a year to study the playbook and absorb responsibilities and concepts.

There is no reason to not think he can perform at a high level at either OT spot.

Have you read what players like Chase Young said about him?

htismaqe 02-17-2021 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15553966)
Already said it multiple times. Trade up for one of the best T prospects in the draft. It'd be a hell of a lot closer to a sure thing in my eyes than pencilling in Niang who was a RT in college and coming off an operation to his hip.

So you're giving away multiple picks, probably 1st round picks, to get another "if".

Sorry, but that's just not a solid plan. It's a whole lot of wishful thinking and that's about it.

BossChief 02-17-2021 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15553958)
At this point what do we have other than "if"?

A draftee would be unproven.

Fisher is hurt and his future is uncertain.

Remmers is awful.

Seriously, what do you want to do at this point that's a "sure thing"? Because there isn't one that I can see.

Remmers was awful at LT...you should probably re-evaluate his performance at RT.

Just a suggestion.

I don’t remember Remmers having a bad game at RT, but I may be forgetting something.

Both advanced stat sites I use show he didn’t give up a sack while playing right tackle and was only flagged 4 times.

htismaqe 02-17-2021 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15553975)
Remmers was awful at LT...you should probably re-evaluate his performance at RT.

Just a suggestion.

I don’t remember Remmers having a bad game at RT, but I may be forgetting something.

Both advanced stat sites I use show he didn’t give up a sack while playing right tackle and was only flagged 4 times.

We were talking about LT. In the context of my question, his performance at RT is irrelevant.

Sassy Squatch 02-17-2021 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15553968)
Again. Even with the injury (which he played with and performed at an elite level) he was great. After the surgery and a full year to heal, he will be at peak ability. He’s also had a year to study the playbook and absorb responsibilities and concepts.

There is no reason to not think he can perform at a high level at either OT spot.

Have you read what players like Chase Young said about him?

Yeah, I've seen plenty of players come back with lessened abilities after a surgery, especially since we haven't actually had him in the building to evaluate, but let's just drop it. Agree to disagree here.

BossChief 02-17-2021 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15553966)
Already said it multiple times. Trade up for one of the best T prospects in the draft. It'd be a hell of a lot closer to a sure thing in my eyes than pencilling in Niang who was a RT in college and coming off an operation to his hip.

In no way shape or form should KC trade up to draft a LT.

Are you insane?

staylor26 02-17-2021 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15553981)
In no way shape or form should KC trade up to draft a LT.

Are you insane?

He has lost his mind over the SB loss.

htismaqe 02-17-2021 01:06 PM

There's likely to be a plug and play starting OT available at #31. There's no need to trade up if you really want a starting OT.

The simple fact is that draft picks don't always pan out, regardless of where they were picked. The guy picked right after Eric Fisher isn't even in the league anymore.

There's no such thing as a sure thing so all of this talk is kind of silly.

There's no way to address the situation that isn't riddled with question marks.

Sassy Squatch 02-17-2021 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15553981)
In no way shape or form should KC trade up to draft a LT.

Are you insane?

Uhh, why not? By most accounts Schwartz is done and Fisher just ruptured his achilles in December.

BossChief 02-17-2021 01:09 PM

This is going to be a draft where elite front offices like ours are going to kill the draft. There’s not as much film to watch from this last year of college and I expect some “Ldarius Sneed” situations to come to fruition based off 2 year old data from Veach.

In no way do I want to see us move picks in the mid rounds AND a future premium pick to move up for a position we probably have covered in house or at most can be filled through a stop gap FA option.

htismaqe 02-17-2021 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15553997)
Uhh, why not? By most accounts Schwartz is done and Fisher just ruptured his achilles in December.

Because you can likely have just as good a chance at getting a starting LT at 31 as you could by trading up. This is a very good OT class and there's no reason to throw away picks when you're not guaranteed anything.

htismaqe 02-17-2021 01:12 PM

Look at it this way:

As deep as this OT class is, by trading up to say 20, you're getting your pick of 3 or 4 guys, one or two of whom will likely be available at 31.

If you're talking about trading up to get a guy like Slater or Darrisaw, you're talking about trading MORE than what we traded to get Patrick Mahomes.

I'm hoping you can see how that's just a bad idea given the circumstances.

Sassy Squatch 02-17-2021 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15554000)
Because you can likely have just as good a chance at getting a starting LT at 31 as you could by trading up. This is a very good OT class and there's no reason to throw away picks when you're not guaranteed anything.

Yeah, I'd much rather take my chances with a talent like Slater than anyone I could get at 32.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-17-2021 01:14 PM

Some mock drafts have us taking OL Wyatt Davis

htismaqe 02-17-2021 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15554009)
Yeah, I'd much rather take my chances with a talent like Slater than anyone I could get at 32.

You're literally giving away a king's ransom to go get Slater. It would likely cost multiple picks in the first three rounds and at least 2 first round picks.

That's crazy.

DaneMcCloud 02-17-2021 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15553372)
How many playoff games did DJ win?

DJ was a complete waste of a draft pick in hindsight. Great player but ultimately a LB. The only time he played on a defense that was worth a shit was when he had pass rushers in front of him and DB's behind him.

That's what makes an NFL defense go, more than anything else.

Yeah, I'll never forget the majority of CP hoping that DJ fell to number 15 while Aaron Rodgers was still on the board...

DaneMcCloud 02-17-2021 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 15553428)
This team took CEH last year at the end of the first round, and that wasn't a glaring need at the time.

Wrong

Sassy Squatch 02-17-2021 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15554013)
You're literally giving away a king's ransom to go get Slater. It would likely cost multiple picks in the first three rounds and at least 2 first round picks.

That's crazy.

LMAO Based on what?!? You think he's going top 5? There's a very real chance a talent like Slater or Derrisaw drops out of the top 10 considering the QB craze, the WR prospects, and the defensive talents.

htismaqe 02-17-2021 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15554018)
LMAO Based on what?!? You think he's going top 5? There's a very real chance a talent like Slater or Derrisaw drops out of the top 10 considering the QB craze, the WR prospects, and the defensive talents.

Neither of them last past 14 in any of the mocks I've seen.

Sorry man, we're gonna have to agree to disagree. You've lost your mind over this.

There isn't an alternate universe anywhere where a LT is worth as much or more in draft capital as Patrick Mahomes.

Hoover 02-17-2021 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15553936)
I'm not comfortable penciling in anybody that's completely unknown at the most important position on the offensive line.

Well, if you are in the camp that we should extend Fisher rather than simply move on from him, then Niang getting a chance at LT makes the most sense. If you spend FA money on the position, then Fisher is done here.

BossChief 02-17-2021 01:21 PM

I haven’t dug into the OT class as much as some here have, but I watched about every interview and read every report about when they took Fisher and trey did so because of his athletic ability, speed/movement ability and upside. I think once I start to dig in and identify the OTs that best fit that skill set, it will give us an idea of the pool of guys likely to be on the Chiefs board in the first. They want OTs that can get out and run and misdirection and screens to block linebackers and secondary guys. That’s why they invested in Fisher.

The only way I could see them moving up to get an OT is if there’s a run on them in the 20s and the group of OT targets they have dwindles down to 1 or 2 in the mid 20s...even then I’m not sure I can see it.

That’s how Veach got into trouble drafting Breeland Speaks and I’m sure he learned that lesson.

htismaqe 02-17-2021 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15554025)
Well, if you are in the camp that we should extend Fisher rather than simply move on from him, then Niang getting a chance at LT makes the most sense. If you spend FA money on the position, then Fisher is done here.

I think if you spend a 1st round pick on a LT, especially if they trade up like some people want, Fisher is done here.

This all hinges on Fisher. If they restructure and extend him, it's unlikely we're going to see anybody other than a FA stop gap or someone like Niang at LT until Fisher gets back.


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