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Mama Hip Rockets 01-16-2016 10:58 AM

I am not excited about the Kennedy signing at all. $14 million a year for a guy who's been below average the last four years?

Prison Bitch 01-16-2016 11:00 AM

Plus a draft pick


I thought the deal with FA was: we had to overpay for years because we sucked. Now that we are good.....why don't we get to underpay?

Chiefspants 01-16-2016 11:03 AM

Two Pennants. One Championship.

This signing could turn into Neifi Perez 2.0 and I still wouldn't care.

Dayton Moore has defined the second half of his tenure by taking major gambles since the Davis trade. The crazy thing is that ALL of them have paid off with the exception of Infante. The dude's leash should be as long as Tom Coughlin's was after 2011.

Prison Bitch 01-16-2016 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 12029590)
The Os just handed out 7/161M to Davis in what can only be considered to be the new version of the Ryan Howard contract. How long before they regret that one? Three years? Less?

Worse, Angelos said he was putting in "special $" only for Davis (not other FA) because he was underpaid for a while and what he does in the community.

Don't ever feel sorry for these tools when players turn into pumpkins

duncan_idaho 01-16-2016 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12029913)
Duncan, why aren't you in any chiefs threads these days?

Two things:
1) Limited time. I don't work from home any more and don't have much free time to myself these days. Most of my posting is done one-handed on Tapatalk while feeding or holding a baby these days. I'm posting from my computer at the moment, and it's probably the first time I've done that in a month and a half. I'll occasionally pop on the app at work while in the bathroom or over lunch, but don't have much time there any more.

What time I do have to post, I tend to use on the Royals, who have always been my first/biggest love, and I think this is the best forum around for that.

2) Lack of emotional connection to the Chiefs. This is something that started happening a long time ago, probably around the start of the Herm Edwards era. They've become less and less important to me over time. I was glad they won last week and it's pretty cool that they won a playoff game for the first time since 1993, but it did not really have an emotional register for me.

I'm hoping they change that this week. If a big win against the defending Super Bowl champs can't make me care again, I don't think anything will.

Saul Good 01-16-2016 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 12029590)
The Os just handed out 7/161M to Davis in what can only be considered to be the new version of the Ryan Howard contract. How long before they regret that one? Three years? Less?

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12029946)
Worse, Angelos said he was putting in "special $" only for Davis (not other FA) because he was underpaid for a while and what he does in the community.

Don't ever feel sorry for these tools when players turn into pumpkins

What's so bad about that contract? $23m a year for 7 years seems reasonable. If the going rate is $8m per WAR, he was worth $42m last year and $52m the years ago.

Is he not going to be worth 29 WAR over the next 7 seasons? That's all he needs to provide even if you don't account for inflation. Realistically, if he provides an average of 3 per season, it's a fair deal.

Prison Bitch 01-16-2016 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12030000)
What's so bad about that contract? $23m a year for 7 years seems reasonable. If the going rate is $8m per WAR, he was worth $42m last year and $52m the years ago.

Is he not going to be worth 29 WAR over the next 7 seasons? That's all he needs to provide even if you don't account for inflation. Realistically, if he provides an average of 3 per season, it's a fair deal.

Don't disagree with your math. It's the market I question. Are we to believe some mystery team was really sitting at 155 on this cat?

Fairplay 01-16-2016 01:13 PM

Breaking News:

Royals sign Ian Kennedy

Coach 01-16-2016 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12030115)
Don't disagree with your math. It's the market. Are we to believe some mystery team was really sitting at 155 on this cat?

If it was a AL team with a open DH spot, yeah.

Playing devils advocate, if Boston's David Ortiz had retired last year instead of this year, Boston would most likely give him that much.

KC_Connection 01-16-2016 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12030000)
What's so bad about that contract? $23m a year for 7 years seems reasonable. If the going rate is $8m per WAR, he was worth $42m last year and $52m the years ago.

And 5.8M in between those years. If you think he's the guy from 2013 and 2015 going forward, it will probably work out OK based on his production in the early years of the contract. But I'm not sure I buy him completely as that yet.

Also, who else was going to give him that contract? I'm not sure anybody else both needed a 1B and had that kind of money to spend.

BeMyValentine 01-16-2016 02:28 PM

Doesn't he lead the league in strikeouts

Saul Good 01-16-2016 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 12030369)
And 5.8M in between those years.

So the average for those three years is $33m per season. They're paying him $23m per season for 7 years in a sport that has an enormous rate of salary inflation.

Lex Luthor 01-16-2016 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 12029693)
Rany's 5 tweets on the signing combined:

"Don't be fooled: It's not a 5-year deal. It's a 2-year deal with a 3-year player option. If he's good, he's gone in 2018 like everyone else. But if he hurts his shoulder in the first two years, we're on the hook for 5 years. That's a LOT of risk for a pretty modest upside. As a general rule of thumb, when the player option is LONGER than the guaranteed portion of the contract, the risk exceeds the reward. For the money they've spent on Ian Kennedy and Joakim Soria, the Royals could have signed Jordan Zimmermann, and avoided the opt-out. Hmmm. I think Ian Kennedy is a better pitcher than he's shown the last 3 years. But over the last 3 years, he's been BELOW-REPLACEMENT LEVEL."

Who gives a shit what Rany has to say about Dayton Moore's moves?

KC_Connection 01-16-2016 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12032505)
So the average for those three years is $33m per season. They're paying him $23m per season for 7 years in a sport that has an enormous rate of salary inflation.

Is he a 33M player going forward, though? I'm not sure how anybody could be sure about that at all. That 2014 season was pretty awful.

As far as the projections go, ZIPS has him very close to being that 33M player (3.8 WAR in 2016) but Steamer (2.4 WAR in 2016) doesn't: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/with-...strikes-again/

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The end of this deal is almost certainly going to be a disaster for the Orioles. The big question is whether the “end of the deal” represents the last three years of the deal, or the last six years of the deal if Davis struggles in 2016. For their sake, they better hope that this high-strikeout slugger figures out how to retain his skills better than all the others who came before him.

Saul Good 01-16-2016 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 12033546)
Is he a 33M player going forward, though? I'm not sure how anybody could be sure about that at all. That 2014 season was pretty awful.

He doesn't need to be. They're paying him $23m a year. Adjusted for inflation, it will be more like $18m. It may end up being a dog of a contract, but he could also hit 200 bombs during that time and be a bargain. Most likely, he outperforms it over the first half and under performs on the back end.


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