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dallaschiefsfan 04-23-2020 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by frozenchief (Post 14928921)
I get the argument. I don’t want to pay an RB premium $ in a few years. Why not draft BPA in another area, like OL or backfield or somewhere else that justifies a good contract in a few years?

The only saving grace to this is that the Chiefs are returning 20 of 22 starters and this is a luxury pick. BUt even a luxury pick is a waste of a pick.
Slow down, buddy. Who said we're signing him to a second contract? If we do, you can come back and lecture us on value of RB's signed to 2nd contracts.

frozenchief 04-23-2020 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jerryaldini (Post 14928911)
Frozen I normally agree with you about running game. But picks are situational.
1. RBs were clearly BPA at that point
2. Chiefs lack any depth at the position
3. Perfectly fits Andy. CEH will be a beast in the passing game and Andy gadgets. Screen game and draws are big part of Andy's ability to keep defenses honest against his high pass ratio game. Situationally, he was the right guy at that spot
I’m taking a fair amount of fire, so thanks for some support. But “don’t draft an RB in the first round” ranks up there with “Don’t fight a land war in Asia” and “Don’t fight the Russians in winter” and “Don’t ask a question you don’t want the answer to”.

We’ve got the best player in the game and a good GM and coach. I expect they will field a team that will get us deep into the playoffs every year. Doesn’t change the fact that you don’t draft an RB in the first round.

fredflintrock 04-23-2020 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by frozenchief (Post 14928660)
Every time Derrick Henry got the ball, he COST Tennessee points.

RBs do NOT add value. Even if RBs can catch passes, they do not add value.

**** me with a sandpaper dildo. This was a bad ****ing decision. KC should have drafted best available LB or CB or IOL. And no, I don’t care how many yards this guy runs for over the next few years. This is a bad ****ing draft choice and if you think otherwise, you don’t understand numbers and probability.

Did I miss something from the rules committee? Are TDs scored by running backs not worth as many point as TDs scored by LB, or CB or IOL. I laugh at people that make exaggerated statements. How could he have cost them points everytime he touched the ball? Didn't he have over 20 TDs last year...oops just looked, only 16 rushing and 2 passing.
How many more points could they have scored on those touches if he hadn't gotten the ball, I guess I'm confused. Numbers? Probability? Would for you to explain this further without a bunch of links, you know, like your thought on the subject, please, if you have time.

KCJake 04-23-2020 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14928926)
What if that running back ends up being one of your most reliable playmakers?

This team is loaded. It can afford to "splurge" on a RB.

This kid adds another dimension to this offense that we didn't have last season.

He gives us back everything Kareem Hunt gave us and then some.

I really feel like people don't understand that.
I think people do understand that. I'll admit, I'm excited about this kid. The fans that are scratching there heads a little, me included, are just thinking man we needed help in other areas. Linebacker or corner. O line. Another weapon is great but we are very thin at those other spots.

smithandrew051 04-23-2020 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14928920)
I don't think that people understand that this kid is special.

And in this system, what he does best will be highlighted.

You're all talking about the 2020 Offensive Rookie of the Year. Write that shit down and take it to the bank.
Like I said in my post, if Reid and Veach think a running back is worth a first rounder then he must be ****ing good.

He must have been the highest rated player left on our board. Reid and Veach know more than any of us. I trust them.

tk13 04-23-2020 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14928926)
What if that running back ends up being one of your most reliable playmakers?

This team is loaded. It can afford to "splurge" on a RB.

This kid adds another dimension to this offense that we didn't have last season.

He gives us back everything Kareem Hunt gave us and then some.

I really feel like people don't understand that.
The biggest thing people are going to miss is they're thinking of him as a RB. You gotta remember this is Andy Reid we're talking about. The RB is an extension of the passing game for Reid.

Even last year, in what you'd consider a weak RB regular season by Reid standards, our RBs caught like 80 passes.

In Westbrook's prime in Philly they used to target him 100 times a year.

carcosa 04-23-2020 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by frozenchief (Post 14928660)
Every time Derrick Henry got the ball, he COST Tennessee points.

RBs do NOT add value. Even if RBs can catch passes, they do not add value.

**** me with a sandpaper dildo. This was a bad ****ing decision. KC should have drafted best available LB or CB or IOL. And no, I don’t care how many yards this guy runs for over the next few years. This is a bad ****ing draft choice and if you think otherwise, you don’t understand numbers and probability.
ok nerd

Rain Man 04-23-2020 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by frozenchief (Post 14928921)
I get the argument. I don’t want to pay an RB premium $ in a few years. Why not draft BPA in another area, like OL or backfield or somewhere else that justifies a good contract in a few years?

The only saving grace to this is that the Chiefs are returning 20 of 22 starters and this is a luxury pick. BUt even a luxury pick is a waste of a pick.
I'm not a contracts guy, but I wonder if anyone from this draft would be positioned for a second contract. Mahomes will be peaking five years from now. So maybe the plan is that you load up short-term guys for a good two or three year run and then reload.

JakeF 04-23-2020 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 14928797)
More versatility? How so?
Swift can be used as a traditional back
Swift can be used as a 3rd down type back(passes, draws,screens etc)

CEH can be used as a 3rd down type back

I imagine that Andy plans on using Damien to start and CEH as the 3rd down back, pass-catcher back.


I'm not mad, just a bit confused.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 04-23-2020 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by frozenchief (Post 14928611)
What the ever loving ****? A RB in the first round? You’ve got to be ****ing kidding me! There is no reason to take an RB in the first round. Jesus, an interior OL would have been a better choice than this shit. What the ever-lasting **** was Veach thinking? Can he not see what’s going on with the NFL?

Giant Waste of a draft choice.
It is okay to hate pork rinds & dig Chelsey.

OKchiefs 04-23-2020 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 14928956)
I'm not a contracts guy, but I wonder if anyone from this draft would be positioned for a second contract. Mahomes will be peaking five years from now. So maybe the plan is that you load up short-term guys for a good two or three year run and then reload.
Mahomes is a QB. Assuming he stays healthy his peak should be the next 10 years.

BigRedChief 04-23-2020 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14928928)

Sports aren’t just a math problem.

CEH isn’t just a running back. He’s an extension of the passing game and a rare talent in that arena. He’s not going to be catching checkdowns and swings like so many RB routes. He’s going to be the centerpiece of Andy Reid’s screen game; he’s going to run dangerous routes (wheel, angle) and be a matchup nightmare for teams and move the chains.

A team running a nickel alignment against KC or a “big dime” is going to still have trouble matching up well with CEH. The premiere S and LB coverage guys are needed for doubling Hill and covering Kelce.

If your second coverage LB (or your LB in a dime) is trying to chase CEH in the past game, that’s a huge matchup advantage.
this is solid info. But, the bottom line is that....... in Veach we trust. :clap:

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-23-2020 11:02 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach said he views Clyde Edwards-Helaire as an every down RB because of the offense the Chiefs run. Veach isn&#39;t concerned about Edwards&#39; 5-foot-7, 200-plus pound frame.</p>&mdash; Herbie Teope (@HerbieTeope) <a href="https://twitter.com/HerbieTeope/status/1253549622104121344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Chiefsguyinri 04-23-2020 11:03 PM
Options for our picks tomorrow?

dirk digler 04-23-2020 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14928918)
I love the guy but I have to ask: do you think it is a bad use of resources to draft a RB that has proven to not give a 2nd contract to?

I think drafting a stud RB with the #32 is not a bad idea. As Veach mentioned tonight, they keep him for 5 years (ie his best 5 years). After that don't give them a 2nd contract and let them go.


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