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Palangi 04-07-2025 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18022963)
I love Dane but man. I just can’t get on board with this

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dane Brugler has the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> selecting OT Josh Simmons in Round 1 of the 2025 NFL Draft in his latest mock with Mina Kimes. <a href="https://t.co/A9bjcW0Kt2">pic.twitter.com/A9bjcW0Kt2</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1909246798717149265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I wouldn’t mind it considering we can be a little more patient with him as we at least have a floor at LT right now. Simmons is a top 15 talent of not got the injury. Could be a huge hit. But our doctors need to be confident in his recovery.

Delano 04-07-2025 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18022963)
I love Dane but man. I just can’t get on board with this

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dane Brugler has the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> selecting OT Josh Simmons in Round 1 of the 2025 NFL Draft in his latest mock with Mina Kimes. <a href="https://t.co/A9bjcW0Kt2">pic.twitter.com/A9bjcW0Kt2</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1909246798717149265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mina’s mock drafts are different. She gives her guests two players to select from at their spot. So Brugler chose Simmons over Ersery at 31. Would you have taken Ersery?

htismaqe 04-08-2025 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Palangi (Post 18023184)
I wouldn’t mind it considering we can be a little more patient with him as we at least have a floor at LT right now. Simmons is a top 15 talent of not got the injury. Could be a huge hit. But our doctors need to be confident in his recovery.

People keep saying this about his recovery and it's just not the story here.

He will be healthy, most likely by camp. This isn't about recovery. The injury he suffered will heal. He's going to pass medicals but that's not the issue.

His injury ends careers, full stop. Guys that suffer this injury generally aren't the same player after and no doctor in the world can tell you whether or not he will suffer the same fate.

BigRedChief 04-08-2025 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18022512)
Yeah - let's just give up the 5th year option and our ability to pick the guy we want the most (hoping the leftovers work out for us) so we can grab an extra pick in the 3rd day.

Gross.

Yeah, thats a horrible idea.

BigRedChief 04-08-2025 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18023464)
People keep saying this about his recovery and it's just not the story here.

He will be healthy, most likely by camp. This isn't about recovery. The injury he suffered will heal. He's going to pass medicals but that's not the issue.

His injury ends careers, full stop. Guys that suffer this injury generally aren't the same player after and no doctor in the world can tell you whether or not he will suffer the same fate.

Obviously Veach would know this information too. So why risk giving up a starting DT in the first to gamble that Simmons may not ever be elite but Eric Fisher level?

Why do most mocks have us taking him if this injury in known for being a career killer?

duncan_idaho 04-08-2025 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 18023492)
Obviously Veach would know this information too. So why risk giving up a starting DT in the first to gamble that Simmons may not ever be elite but Eric Fisher level?

Why do most mocks have us taking him if this injury in known for being a career killer?


Because. (Clap). National. (Clap). Analysts. (Clap). Don’t. (Clap). Really. (Clap). Know. (Clap). Anything. (Clap).

I’d bet a BUNCH that 3/4 of the guy doing national mocks are just looking at it like it’s a blown ACL instead of this injury.

They’re just doing shallow analysis. “Oh, the Chiefs OL was an issue in the SB. They’ll surely use their 1st on a LT, no matter who else is available or what the risks are with that player.”

Bl00dyBizkitz 04-08-2025 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18023495)
Because. (Clap). National. (Clap). Analysts. (Clap). Don’t. (Clap). Really. (Clap). Know. (Clap). Anything. (Clap).

I’d bet a BUNCH that 3/4 of the guy doing national mocks are just looking at it like it’s a blown ACL instead of this injury.

They’re just doing shallow analysis. “Oh, the Chiefs OL was an issue in the SB. They’ll surely use their 1st on a LT, no matter who else is available or what the risks are with that player.”

I wonder if we also expect these guys to know the inner inner workings of all 32 teams to get the most accurate mock draft. Like, this is their job, and they gotta make money. Pump out the safe, easy guess and get this thing rolling is probably whats going through their minds.

RedinTexas 04-08-2025 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 18023734)
I wonder if we also expect these guys to know the inner inner workings of all 32 teams to get the most accurate mock draft. Like, this is their job, and they gotta make money. Pump out the safe, easy guess and get this thing rolling is probably whats going through their minds.

Yeah, but from their perspective, how much is it worth to get it right? Most of us spend about 10 seconds looking at anyone else's mock draft. All I look for is who they have the Chiefs taking. It takes me about another 10 seconds to forget.

htismaqe 04-08-2025 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 18023764)
Yeah, but from their perspective, how much is it worth to get it right? Most of us spend about 10 seconds looking at anyone else's mock draft. All I look for is who they have the Chiefs taking. It takes me about another 10 seconds to forget.

They obviously don't have much interest in actually being right because they're horribly wrong most of the time. We've talked about this for 20 years - the media talking heads really don't pick based on who they think a team will take, they pick who they think the team needs. Because they want clicks so they go for the low hanging fruit.

RedinTexas 04-08-2025 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18023934)
They obviously don't have much interest in actually being right because they're horribly wrong most of the time. We've talked about this for 20 years - the media talking heads really don't pick based on who they think a team will take, they pick who they think the team needs. Because they want clicks so they go for the low hanging fruit.

The more outlandish their picks, the more they get talked about.

siberian khatru 04-08-2025 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 18023945)
The more outlandish their picks, the more they get talked about.

"I have the Chiefs trading Patrick Mahomes to the Titans for the No. 1 overall pick, in which they select Shedeur Sanders. The Chiefs get cheaper AND better."

Shields68 04-08-2025 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 18023492)
Obviously Veach would know this information too. So why risk giving up a starting DT in the first to gamble that Simmons may not ever be elite but Eric Fisher level?

Why do most mocks have us taking him if this injury in known for being a career killer?

So does the other 32 teams. The only way he is available at 31 is about 15 teams from pick 15 on seem to believe he is too much of an injury risk. It is a catch 22. If it was an injury most recover from....he does not make it to us.

I doubt anyone in the media has any inside knowledge of the Chiefs draft board. IT is pure guess at this point as to who will be available and who we will take. I think a lot of general media figures think we have to take a OL player, personally I think DL is a more obvious need.

kccrow 04-08-2025 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 18022462)
What if Nolen slides, Scourton is sitting there and Conerly is available?

What would YOU do?

What will the Chiefs likely do?

Tough one. Scourton really is a non-factor for me in this. Honestly, I like JT Tuimoloau a lot more than Scourton.

Nolen vs Conerly would be my dilemma. Absolutely no character flags, Nolen is a top-10, if not top-5, player. I still think he's going top-15 but that's not the question.

On one hand, if Conerly develops his anchor quickly, you probably have a true franchise LT for the next decade. If not, you might look like a fool passing on Nolen, who I fully expect to be a game-wrecker. That said, if Nolen's character flaws are real, you could look just as much the fool for drafting him if those surface as a pro.

I also keep an eye on the future component. Next year's tackle class looks like it could be worse, and I don't have a solid feeling on whether or not Moore will work out.

This year's DT class is deep into the 4th round and I'd be confident to get at least a really good player or two. We also need a NT more than a 3T right now.

Armed with that, I'd have to go with Conerly.

RunKC 04-08-2025 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18024038)
This year's DT class is deep into the 4th round and I'd be confident to get at least a really good player or two. We also need a NT more than a 3T right now.

I feel this way about DE. So many guys to choose from. Never seen so many Spags like DE’s in a draft in my life

xztop123 04-08-2025 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18024038)
Tough one. Scourton really is a non-factor for me in this. Honestly, I like JT Tuimoloau a lot more than Scourton.

Nolen vs Conerly would be my dilemma. Absolutely no character flags, Nolen is a top-10, if not top-5, player. I still think he's going top-15 but that's not the question.

On one hand, if Conerly develops his anchor quickly, you probably have a true franchise LT for the next decade. If not, you might look like a fool passing on Nolen, who I fully expect to be a game-wrecker. That said, if Nolen's character flaws are real, you could look just as much the fool for drafting him if those surface as a pro.

I also keep an eye on the future component. Next year's tackle class looks like it could be worse, and I don't have a solid feeling on whether or not Moore will work out.

This year's DT class is deep into the 4th round and I'd be confident to get at least a really good player or two. We also need a NT more than a 3T right now.

Armed with that, I'd have to go with Conerly.

I agree with this except I’d add josh Simmons in the mix. I just don’t think Nolen will be there so it won’t be an issue


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