Originally Posted by Silock (Post 10658053)

Meh, the internet is freer from pressure.

Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 10658026)

I'm 6'1", 190 lbs, with a 32" waist. I dead lift 405. I still have that extra couple inches on my waist and am not as ripped as I want to be... and it's all diet. You can't out train diet. A trainer would be great and help out some possibly, but if you don't change diet, then losing that last few inches isn't going to happen.

Originally Posted by luv (Post 10658042)

If you just need help with diet, go to a local supplements store. The guys there are typically certified sport nutrition specialists, and they will set up a program for you. The guys at my store do that. Not sure what it costs, and of course they're going to try to sell you stuff, but it might be worth looking into.

Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 10658075)

A little more information...I'm 6'2, 195, with a 34" waist (my goal would probably be 32"). My legs are much stronger than my upper body. I get compliments on my calves (odd, right?) while most people probably can't tell that I lift upper body at all. I lift more for upper body than lower but can't seem to get much momentum.

I do quite a bit of cardio (three days a week - some sprints, some longer distance up to a 10k) and play basketball and volleyball fairly often.

My main question for trainer I guess would be whether a 24 hour fitness trainer would be worth the time (if anyone has any knowledge on that). I know I probably need to change diet but don't really know what would be most effective.

I have never really lifted so I'm kind of teaching myself at this point. I use dumbbells but don't do much with bars since I workout alone and I don't like having to find someone to spot me.

Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 10658109)

Normal day:

Snack (4:45 AM): Nature Valley Peanut Bar

Gym (5:00 AM): Workout

Breakfast (6:30 AM): Kashi Cinnamon Harvest with 1% milk

8 AM: Greek Yogurt

10 AM: Carrots, Peanut Bar

Noon: Turkey and cheese sandwich on whole wheat, chips

3 PM: Fruit of some kind

6 PM: Dinner 4 to 5 days a week out with friends, generally don't drink beer/soda but will have deep fried something or cheeseburger and fries

If I cook at home I'm usually better and grill up some chicken but if I haven't been to the store recently to get my own food I'll end up grabbing something quick nearby that's very unhealthy.

I'm sure you can see where the problem comes in.

Originally Posted by Silock (Post 10658138)

Yeah, so . . . Don't do that. If you don't decide not to, nothing we or anyone else says is going to help you.

Originally Posted by luv (Post 10658042)

If you just need help with diet, go to a local supplements store. The guys there are typically certified sport nutrition specialists, and they will set up a program for you. The guys at my store do that. Not sure what it costs, and of course they're going to try to sell you stuff, but it might be worth looking into.

Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 10657999)

Eating clean is the hardest part for me. I love salty foods and hate ordering plain chicken or a salad when I go out with friends.

I don't particularly need to lose much weight which is how I justify it (not a good reason I know). What I really want to do is firm up some and lose the last couple inches from my belly. I don't really want to go for size...just lean.

I go to 24 hour fitness to work out. Do you think it's worth paying for a couple training sessions or should I just worry about my diet?


Normal day:

Snack (4:45 AM): Nature Valley Peanut Bar

Gym (5:00 AM): Workout

Breakfast (6:30 AM): Kashi Cinnamon Harvest with 1% milk

8 AM: Greek Yogurt

10 AM: Carrots, Peanut Bar

Noon: Turkey and cheese sandwich on whole wheat, chips

3 PM: Fruit of some kind

6 PM: Dinner 4 to 5 days a week out with friends, generally don't drink beer/soda but will have deep fried something or cheeseburger and fries

If I cook at home I'm usually better and grill up some chicken but if I haven't been to the store recently to get my own food I'll end up grabbing something quick nearby that's very unhealthy.

I'm sure you can see where the problem comes in.

Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 10658026)

I'm 6'1", 190 lbs, with a 32" waist. I dead lift 405. I still have that extra couple inches on my waist and am not as ripped as I want to be... and it's all diet. You can't out train diet. A trainer would be great and help out some possibly, but if you don't change diet, then losing that last few inches isn't going to happen.

Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 10658172)

Has anyone heard anything about the quality of trainers at a 24 hour though? I just don't want to pay for something if they'll basically tell me things I already know.

I know I need to eat better. No one (outside of myself) can make me stop eating crap. Someone can help me optimize what I am eating though.

I also know I can improve my lifting routine. I don't know much about lifting weights and, frankly, I have no idea what a lot of the lifting exercises mentioned in this thread are. I could do research on these moves, ask you guys about them, read a bunch of books/articles and figure it all out. However, if a trainer would help me with this and be able to educate me in person it could be worth the extra money.

Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 10658192)

your entire diet is trash my friend.

read simple eating plan article below and lift your ass off. You will see results. :thumb:

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...he_simple_diet

If you need a good lifting plan, look up the ones listed in the sticky, or google search for a upper/lower split. That gives you 4 days/week to slam iron, and 3 days to either take off or do some cardio.