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Tribal Warfare 09-24-2008 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5050460)
Oher is about as sure thing at LT as possible. Would I take him over Stafford, yes but that is bc I dont think Stafford will be very good. Would I take him over Bradford. Hell no. Would I take him over Sanchez. Nope.

I'm not a big Sanchez guy, but I do concur on Bradford.

ChiefsCountry 09-24-2008 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5050461)
The Chiefs, during the 90s, had the best O-Line in the league next to the Boys, and what exactly did they win with the scrub QBs they trotted out there?

We could have had Elway, Aikman, Young or Favre and Marty still would have found a way to screw up.

SBK 09-24-2008 04:04 PM

Using 2 G's that were drafted in the first round as proof you should do it is stupid. That's like saying you shouldn't take a DE #1 ever because Cortney Brown was drafted there.

Like it or not the QB is the most important position on the field. We need one. We have a LT that looks like he's going to be a stud. Why on earth would you pass on a position you need (and that actually makes sense to take at #1) to draft at #1 a position you don't? And don't give me the "Oher grades higher" because we all know Stafford is going to grade top 5 anyway. Your strategy doesn't hold water, although I do like your passion.

Tribal Warfare 09-24-2008 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SBK (Post 5050481)
Using 2 G's that were drafted in the first round as proof you should do it is stupid. That's like saying you shouldn't take a DE #1 ever because Cortney Brown was drafted there.


They are both all-pros dominate all-pros, and that's my point. If one can pick a player that is dominate at their position on offense or defense you take them those two players presented are.

Pablo 09-24-2008 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 5050491)
They are both all-pros dominate all-pros, and that's my point. If one can pick a player that is dominate at their position on offense or defense you take them those two players presented are.

We already picked up a LT that could be an all-pro and dominate the position.

Do you have any faith in Brandon Albert? Or do you just see a shiny new toy dangling in front of your face and throw down the one you have in your hand?

Pablo 09-24-2008 04:13 PM

Albert wasn't projected to be a G in the NFL. He was projected to be a LT. That's why he was drafted so high. The Eagles were looking at him for an LT. We got him. He's an LT now. He could have been in college. He has the size, speed, feet and power to be a great LT in the league.

ChiefsCountry 09-24-2008 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88 (Post 5050495)
Do you have any faith in Brandon Albert? Or do you just see a shiny new toy dangling in front of your face and throw down the one you have in your hand?

Thats the same argument findthedouche had last year with Dorsey and Ellis bc we had Tank and Turk.

Sure-Oz 09-24-2008 04:14 PM

How is Ellis doing anyway?

milkman 09-24-2008 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5050478)
We could have had Elway, Aikman, Young or Favre and Marty still would have found a way to screw up.

I can't argue that.

However, Joe Montana, a shadow of the former great QB he once was, almost overcame Martyocrity.

milkman 09-24-2008 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5050502)
Thats the same argument findthedouche had last year with Dorsey and Ellis bc we had Tank and Turk.

TW and FtD are almost like twins.

Pablo 09-24-2008 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5050502)
Thats the same argument findthedouche had last year with Dorsey and Ellis bc we had Tank and Turk.

Were Tank and Turk first round picks that had showed they could handle their respective positions exceedingly well in three games?

Negative.

Did we give Tank and Turk an ass-load of money and make them starters from day one?

Negative.

milkman 09-24-2008 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5050509)
TW and FtD are almost like twins.

However, in spite of FtD's single minded focus, he did provide a lot of great info.

Tribal Warfare 09-24-2008 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SBK (Post 5050481)

Like it or not the QB is the most important position on the field.

Where have I said that QB isn't? I think it's funny people say draft a 1st round QB, with the 1st overall pick even though he was major concerns. I'm all for BPA, and this year it's either Oher or Rey-Rey. Unless Bradford comes out, their isn't QB I would look at the #1 overall pick.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-24-2008 04:38 PM

People are taking this shit way too personally. It's almost like they are defending their own family members from personal attack.

Like I've said earlier, people almost become pot committed to their arguments, and they'll make asinine assumptions and conclusions in order to back them up.

The fact of the matter is that if you are looking at raw physical ability, Matt Stafford has more than Sam Bradford. No one knows if he has the intangibles because they are intangible, they aren't measurable. You haven't been in the huddle with either of them, and you haven't interviewed them.

Bradford may end up being a Tom Brady-like pro. However, he's surrounded by a ton of talent, with three legit NFL lineman blocking for him, including two late first-early second rounders this year.

People forget that Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Cutler, Rivers, and Carson Palmer (for his first 2 years) did not have a lot of talent around them. None of them put up all world stats, but they had the raw physical ability, and aside from Rivers, all of them had at least serviceable mechanics (I'm looking at you, Tim Tebow).

If you are that worried about decision making, why did Roethlisberger throw almost 35 picks against MAC competition in college? Stafford doesn't continually lob the ball into double and triple coverage.

Just because a QB has a strong arm doesn't mean he's a gunslinger. It means he has a strong arm. That's about as intelligent as saying Black QB=running threat who should be a WR.

Pablo 09-24-2008 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5050530)

Just because a QB has a strong arm doesn't mean he's a gunslinger. It means he has a strong arm. That's about as intelligent as saying Black QB=running threat who should be a WR.

Haven't you heard?

Having a strong arm means you're stupid as sh*t, and the only reason you have that arm strength is to make up for what you lack in your head.


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