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DaneMcCloud 01-10-2009 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5375395)
I'm guessing very few people watched USC this year, Sanchez was pressured and was hit a lot this year, and more often than not, delivered a strike in the face of that pressure.
The overwhelming majority of those begging for Bradford live in Big 12 country. They see Oklahoma almost weekly.

What they didn't see weekly was Matt Stafford and Georgia or Mark Sanchez and USC (much like Matt Ryan last year).

The debate is worthless when the person you're debating doesn't have all of the facts.

OnTheWarpath15 01-10-2009 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5375408)
The overwhelming majority of those begging for Bradford live in Big 12 country. They see Oklahoma almost weekly.

What they didn't see weekly was Matt Stafford and Georgia or Mark Sanchez and USC (much like Matt Ryan last year).

The debate is worthless when the person you're debating doesn't have all of the facts.
Very true. It's also why people go apeshit when a player has a good/bad bowl game, because in most instances, it's the only time they've seen that player.

Luckily, I live in an area that gets an SEC game every week, and the majority of them were Georgia games.

And USC is always on here, for some reason. If the ABC affiliate has a game, it's likely USC.

eazyb81 01-10-2009 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5375390)
I'm not sure how you could argue that he has great poise and pocket presence when he played behind a line that gave him such outstanding protection.

Now he showed something in the game against Florida, but that's not a lot to work with to really make an evaluation.

As for Sanchez, he didn't get the same kind of time that Bradford had, and he did show a lot of poise in the face of pressure all year long.
I don't think poise and pocket presence are affected by o-line play. Bradford always knows where he's at, where D-linemen are, and is not scared of holding the ball until the very last second to make that perfect pass. All great QBs have that sixth sense. He really can sense pressure extremely well, but again, we don't know for sure if that confidence will always be with him or if it's due to the star studded o-line.

Sanchez didn't have Bradford's line, but it's still one of the better lines in terms of pure talent in the country. They certainly dominated the majority of Pac 10 opponents they faced. Also, Sanchez has McKnight, Gable, Turner, etc. to dump the ball off too. You don't have to be perfect when you have those guys on your side.

Baby Lee 01-10-2009 01:52 PM
After eons and eons of discussion ad infinitum on this subject, has NO ONE even countenanced the merits of a good coach versus a blue chipper?
How many blue chippers did Walsh, Bellichik or Holmgren mentor?
Maybe the answer is to put a little more effort into examining the heads on the QBs shoulders, and who will be whispering in their ear day-in/day-out?

OnTheWarpath15 01-10-2009 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 5375648)
After eons and eons of discussion ad infinitum on this subject, has NO ONE even countenanced the merits of a good coach versus a blue chipper?
How many blue chippers did Walsh, Bellichik or Holmgren mentor?
Maybe the answer is to put a little more effort into examining the heads on the QBs shoulders, and who will be whispering in their ear day-in/day-out?
That's (coaching) absolutely an issue, and has been pointed out countless times to the people that think Matt Ryan would be the OROY regardless of where he played.

There are TONS of factors that come into play.

FringeNC 01-10-2009 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 5375648)
After eons and eons of discussion ad infinitum on this subject, has NO ONE even countenanced the merits of a good coach versus a blue chipper?
How many blue chippers did Walsh, Bellichik or Holmgren mentor?
Maybe the answer is to put a little more effort into examining the heads on the QBs shoulders, and who will be whispering in their ear day-in/day-out?
I definitely think there is way too much emphasis in these QB threads put on physical tools. Tom Brady does not have dominant physical tools. Neither does Peyton Manning. Neither does Drew Brees. JaMarcus Russell does.

This so reminds me of the scouts vs. moneyballers in baseball. The scouts drool over "tools", whereas the moneyballers are concerned with trivial things like can the guy play baseball and does he know the strike zone?

bowener 01-10-2009 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 5371172)
Tebow
SportsRacer and I must be ****ing cosmic power soultwins or some shit cuz we on the same waves man!!

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Didn't you ****ers watch 1 minute of ESPN yesterday?

I honestly thought that for a moment Tebow was Jesus, and he saved the ****ing world from a killer asteroid, or maybe a marauding horde of dastardly space Tyrannosaurus Rexi... is Rexi the plural for Rex? Rexes just doesnt seem right, so I am going with Rexi.

Also, he can count to infinity, twice.
Leaps small buildings....
Google asks him for information when it doesn't know.....
Shits cancer curing teddy bears
Killed all other gods except his God.

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-10-2009 02:46 PM
Yes, let's complete the Triad Of Douchebaggery by drafting our very own Cutler/Rivers with a God Complex.

yay.

dorseybowe 01-10-2009 03:01 PM
Bradford is bigger than I thought he was, and his completion percentage is phenomenal.

DaneMcCloud 01-10-2009 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5375814)
Yes, let's complete the Triad Of Douchebaggery by drafting our very own Cutler/Rivers with a God Complex.

yay.
God loves winners

jAZ 03-29-2010 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 5371153)
I don't think he's coming out, but he's my choice in the QB dice-roll.
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Originally Posted by 88TG88 (Post 5371157)
nah
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5371163)
ROFL

This is going to go well....

Please tell me your just making that up?
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Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 5371172)
Tebow
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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 5371203)
Reesing
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Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 5371217)
Chase McDanielson
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5371520)
Uh Bradford NO!
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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5371578)
Hell no to bradford
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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 5371597)
TIM TEBOW!!!!!!
The search function is funny.

Mecca 03-29-2010 05:57 PM
Is it funny because in that class he's still the 3rd QB.

Hammock Parties 03-29-2010 05:58 PM
jAZ, stay in DC. How many times do I have to tell you?

Mr. Laz 03-29-2010 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 5372532)
Don't you know that's the mark of a good pro quarterback.

The ability to get gangraped and make mediocre throws is what separates the true prospects from guys that need 3 seconds to make perfect throws (mere system QBs of course).

Bradford should stay, so he can show all the scouts that he knows how to make off balanced throws while running for his life, that's what you need in an NFL QB these days.
how'd that turn out for him?

Mecca 03-29-2010 08:40 PM
It worked out well because apparently the NFL doesn't care that he got injured, he's going higher than he would have last year.

Odd yet true.


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