Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 5501146)

They are? Not in the last 20-30 years, they're not. Women are wired so that their self-worth is defined by their family - their kids. That's why their maternal instinct is so unbelievable to we men.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5501135)

You have met my ex-wife? :D

Seriously though you are pretty much correct.

Originally Posted by Katipan (Post 5501113)

I think it's because I like looking at women.
Really.

I think I'm not nuts in that way because when I see a pretty girl, I think "Oh wow, pretty girl." Like her asthetic beauty is art. Not competition. Her "value" has nothing to do with mine.

I find myself competing far more with men than I do with women.

Plus, honestly. How we look is the one thing we can't control. Maybe some adjustments, but ultimately you don't get to control what you look like. I'd much rather walk into a room and have the boys come running because I'm loads of fun to be around.

I don't know why you're not nuts that way, but I like it!

Originally Posted by Katipan (Post 5501141)

I hurt everyone in the end. Even my kids. I've moved worlds since to try and make ammends. Some have allowed me to, some haven't.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5501114)

I know what you're saying.

The counter-argument for this, however, is that women shouldn't give a shit about what men think or say. A woman's individual sense of self worth should absolutely not be defined by a man.

This is a learned response, though. From an early age, women are often taught that the "happily ever after" involves finding the prince. Think classic Disney ending. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, but women need additional healthy models for what defines success.

Back to my manly roots: I value a woman's ass as much as her tits. I keed. Sort of.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5501153)

I'm not talking June Cleaver, here. The traditional romantic comedy is not far removed from the traditional Disney ending.

In a lot of ways, our culture still preaches that to be happy, especially for women, they need to be someone's wife, with 2.5 kids.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5501159)

That is good that you are trying to make amends.

I feel sorry mostly for my daughter having to be around her mom the whore and slut. I only say that because she is on her 3rd marriage having cheated on her first 2 husbands.

Funny thing is her new husband is Catholic and she recently became a Catholic against my objections but that is a whole other story.

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 5501173)

Count your blessings. My ex became Muslim and still practices Islam even after she split from Mohammed.

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 5501150)

I think it's cool that you'll openly discuss it. I share for two reasons:
1. Venting is healthy.
2. I hope somebody reading can learn something from my mistakes and life experience.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5501153)

In a lot of ways, our culture still preaches that to be happy, especially for women, they need to be someone's wife, with 2.5 kids.

Originally Posted by Jilly (Post 5501155)

But I think there are so many women who have no clue that they have gifts other than their beauty.

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 5501193)

I'd say the culture has done a great job in telling women they can have it all.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5501203)

It's better now than it's ever been. But I still don't think it's where it needs to be.

Originally Posted by Katipan (Post 5501202)

No one told them.

...But then I get impatient with that argument.

They SHOULD be able to identify all the ways they are uniquely glorious. Without being told. But then I've had what I'd consider to be a perfect 10 crying on my shoulder wondering why no one wanted her. On stage or in real life.

Women are ****ing nuts, and should just a free pass at life.

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 5501193)

I'd say the culture has done a great job in telling women they can have it all.