Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6452480)

Rivers' mechanics are ugly, but his passes are not the worst balls in football.

He throws a very catchable ball.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6452472)

I don't buy that.

Chambers hasn't had much problem catching the ball. And Rivers throws the absolute worst ball in football.

Our receivers just aren't very good. And Chris Chambers, a good not great receiver, who performed extremely well in the worst of circumstances is living proof of that.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6452484)

Mort reported on ESPN this morning that Arizona is going to be "very aggressive" in moving him - to the point of only taking a 3rd and 5th.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6452488)

For a guy who caught 36 balls, you've been loving on Chambers an awful lot.

Sadly, he's been one of Pioli's best moves, but I need to see more before I'm ready to crown Chambers' ass just yet. If we could get two more productive seasons out of him, that would be a win. Hell, I'd settle for a strong '10.

But he was very good at fielding wobble punts from Cassel. Dude bailed out his QB on some of the more embarrassing deep balls that I've seen.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6452484)

Mort reported on ESPN this morning that Arizona is going to be "very aggressive" in moving him - to the point of only taking a 3rd and 5th.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6452490)

Shocked if that doesn't land him in KC.

Which would mean no WR in the second, but...that's ok given the overall weak class. 2011 is going to be ****ing sick, though.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6452494)

I only love Chambers because I think he's exposed our receiver corps for being as bad as they are. Before Chambers, I thought Bowe was pretty much untouchable. A million excuses for why he was underperforming.

I think Chambers has 1-2 years left in the tank and I worry that he'll disappear after he gets a big contract, as he did in San Diego. But in terms of the way he played the position, he was the only receiver in 2009 for the Chiefs that looked like he belonged in the NFL. Bowe included. He made adjustments to the ball, made the extra effort to make catches, and didn't drop passes.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6452501)

I would be shocked still, if he did land in KC.

His contract issues don't fit the "Right 53" profile.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6452505)

I want to see a '10 Bowe minus some of Haley's early bullshit. For example, I'd like to see him actually get to work with Cassel in preseason. Crazy shit like that.

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 6452514)

Well maybe if he comes into camp in shape and at the correct weight he'll get that chance. At this point he knows what's expected of him so he has no excuses.


PhilFree:arrow:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6452484)

Mort reported on ESPN this morning that Arizona is going to be "very aggressive" in moving him - to the point of only taking a 3rd and 5th.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6452415)

I wouldn't put it that way on the first point, but the line is no excuse. That I agree with. He had good enough protection in the second half of the season and a hell of a lot better than Aaron Rodgers gets.

On the second point, that's something I also agree with. As I watched the Colts play last night, I realized that Peyton Manning actually throws to the back of his receivers quite a bit. He's not always perfect at leading his receivers. And as I watched the Saints, Brees throws a ton of passes to the receivers' back shoulder. The Saints' receivers are actually really remarkable about making in-pass adjustments to the ball. i remember a TD pass where I think it was Devery Henderson pretty much did a full 180 to make the proper adjustment to the ball on a fleaflicker. And if you watch Philip Rivers today, what you will see is probably the deadest, worst thrown ball I've ever seen in the NFL. But his receivers catch them. Of course I'm not implying that Cassel is even close to being in any of those guys' league. But I have seen the excuse thrown around that he cripples his receivers, but the more I watch playoff football, the more I realize that receivers just don't have any excuse for not catching a ball that isn't within reasonable reaching distance of their hands. Good receivers make adjustments. Chambers has done that a lot. My opinion of Bowe has taken a complete nosedive throughout this season.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6452505)

I want to see a '10 Bowe minus some of Haley's early bullshit. For example, I'd like to see him actually get to work with Cassel in preseason. Crazy shit like that.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6452541)

That's a fair point, but it's another reason I point to Chambers. This is a guy who worked with Cassel for less than a week before he started to explode. I can only hope that he's made Bowe realize that he's out of excuses. Bowe, to me, is quickly reaching DJ status. A talented player who doesn't play the position consistently enough that I wonder if this is a guy you want on a playoff roster a few years from now.