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Saccopoo 02-04-2010 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6506447)
Good thing there's 7 rounds in the draft, so they can address other needs after the first round.

You know, like nose tackle. And right offensive tackle.

Don't forget safety and middle linebacker, because you aren't going to convince anyone that they are more important than any position on the offensive line.

milkman 02-04-2010 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 6505502)
However, there is reason to believe Okung won't be as effective in pass protection in the NFL. First, he is not as strong at the top of his pass set as teams would like because at 6-foot-8 he struggles to sink his hips. More importantly, Okung does not appear to have elite foot speed so his footwork will always have to be sound. He also lacks the agility and flexibility Davis has shown.

That pretty much sums up what I've said about Okung, and is pretty much the opposite of anything the SadSac has said.

Saccopoo 02-04-2010 10:16 PM

Actually, he's not 6'8" but rather 6'5" and he has very good knee bend and sinks his hips quite well. He comes out of his stance quickly and gets under the pads of his opponent very effectively.

Davis has been disciplined/suspended by his coach in college numerous times because he doesn't have the work ethic to keep his weight down.

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BossChief 02-04-2010 10:19 PM

You could make a much better highlight video of Albert than that....

RustShack 02-04-2010 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6506787)
You could make a much better highlight video of Albert than that....

Yeah but all of Alberts highlights would be against NFL defenders and thats worse

oh wait.

milkman 02-04-2010 10:24 PM

First, I was talking about foot speed, you know, the bolded part.

And really, you're using highlights in which Robinson is getting the ball out in 2 seconds or less, and on about three of them you can see Okung actually getting beat to the inside,and lose his balance once while trying to seal the outside edge?

Saccopoo 02-04-2010 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6506787)
You could make a much better highlight video of Albert than that....

Not from his two years as a Chief you couldn't.

You could make a terrifically long lowlight video though.

(Besides, I just put on the first one that came up on YouTube to show Milk his knee bend.)

Saccopoo 02-04-2010 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6506800)
First, I was talking about foot speed, you know, the bolded part.

And really, you're using highlights in which Robinson is getting the ball out in 2 seconds or less, and on about three of them you can see Okung actually getting beat to the inside,and lose his balance once while trying to seal the outside edge?

Cripes, I didn't make the video. I thought you were complaining about his knee bend and sinking of his hips, which is definitely not a problem with Okung.

milkman 02-04-2010 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6506815)
Cripes, I didn't make the video. I thought you were complaining about his knee bend and sinking of his hips, which is definitely not a problem with Okung.

Yeah, I could see how you would think that, since I bolded the part about the foot speed.

RustShack 02-04-2010 10:36 PM

OK so the first snap it looks like Okung is getting man handled even with the guard right there, the next snap he did an alright job pushing the DE out of the play even though he was clearly too fast for him, next was a great run block, the next play Okung was blown backwords bad.. the QB was about eight yards back and still almost got stepped on by Okung a second after the snap, can't really see the next one too well because the camera rolls out to the other side with the QB, the next play he does a decent job holding his blocker with the help of the TE.. still far from great though, this run block was just all around fail by him, Okung is getting pushed back into the QB again and Robinson has to drop back further than he should versus stepping up like a good pocket would allow you.

OK so after watching your clip of "highlights" I have come to the conclusion that the right side of their OLine did a far better job protecting the QB, Okung is great at run blocking unless its to the outside, and that his highlight film is what most elite LT's lowlight film would look like.

Saccopoo 02-04-2010 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6506821)
Yeah, I could see how you would think that, since I bolded the part about the foot speed.

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Looks like he has very active feet, keeping them centered underneath him and constantly moving to keep his center line.

Looks pretty good to me.

RustShack 02-04-2010 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6506844)
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Looks like he has very active feet, keeping them centered underneath him and constantly moving to keep his center line.

Looks pretty good to me.

He gets pushed into the QB, I see a good block on a LB as the TE takes the DE on a run play, I see him getting blown into the QB, I see nice pass protection on a very quick pass, I see him being helped be a TE again, I see him trying to pull and completely whiffs on a block , I see him getting pushed way outside and a LB blowing in, another nice runblock, I see him holding his block well but a flag was thrown, I see him doing an OK job pulling, but its hard to tell because that was just an all around ugly play but not on his part, he finally did a good job handing the DE, he is getting pushed back in to the QB again, nice block on the PA but I can't see much of it because the camera rolls with the QB on the bootleg, I see him holding the DT well and the TE running out so no ones blocking the DE, I see him finally pushing the DE well out of the play, he pulls for no gain, nice pocket but he also has TE help again, nice pass protection, another good block but on a LB, good protection on a very quick pass, nice protection, getting pushed into the QB but it really wasn't bad protection, good protection, good protection, good protection, pushes the DE away from the QB, I see the LB and DE just blowing past him on each side and he doesn't even touch either one , I see him pulling and the RB is stuffed for a big loss, nice protection on the quick pass, nice protection, QB sacked but nice protection for Okung's side, DE blows by and would get sack if not for quick release, I see him missing a chiping the DE and letting him by but HB sidesteps and Okung driving back a LB, decent pass protection, run block looks ok but hes lined up like a TE and it went to the other side, bad block even with help from LG but play is completed, keeps DE away from QB, great run blocking, hes getting drove back bad, great block again on the PA roll out(to the other side), decent pass block with help from TE, nice job of driving the DE way back but he should have moved on to the next guy that about smacks the RB, getting drove back again but pretty decent protection, best pass blocking I've seen from him yet, having trouble with the spin but holds it on the quick pass, does a pretty good job pushing the DE to the outside but falls over as the ball is quickly released, nice runblock but has to go down with the DE and LB makes play for minimal gain, good job pushing DE out of pocket, Gets pushed back but still holds a nice block, replay and it looks the same from this angle, nice run block it looks like but ball is fumbled at exchange, great run block, decent job pushing DE out but still gets pressure, looks like QB is ten yards back and Okung is still getting pushed into his face, getting pushed into the QB, nice pass protection, decent pass protection, nice initial runblock but its a flea flicker and he can't handle the block anymore and its almost ****ed, pretty good run block, a little better run block this time, nice protection with help and on blitz, looks better on this replay where you can't see outside pressure,

OK so after watching this clip, Okung is pretty damn good at run blocking, but ****ing sucks at pulling. He only made two pass blocks that looked like a great LT, it it weren't for the quick release shotgun spread it looks like he would give up quite a few sacks, the right side overall looked A LOT better in pass protection which makes me wonder who their RG and RT are, and Dez Bryant looks like a monster.

So to go off of that, he looks like a better RT to me still, and I guess it depends on if Haley and Weis want to use the LT to pull like last year.. because of thats the case it HAS to be Albert. It also looked like he had a TE on his side at least half the time if not more. His hand was rarely in the dirt and the few plays it was were some of his worst blocks, and Robinson was in the shotgun about 90% more than Cassel. Serious question though, it said highlights and lowlights.. was the run blocking the highlights and pass blocking the lowlights? I do admit he was better at run blocking than I thought(excluding the pull plays) and actually might be worse in pass protection than I was giving credit for.

Saccopoo 02-04-2010 11:31 PM

The pass blocking is pretty much what you want to see. Up, out and around. Don't let your guy inside you, which Okung is very good at in sealing off the inside. He only gave up one sack in 2009.

You're right - Dez Bryant is a monster. I wouldn't be disappointed if he was the pick at #5.

The Bad Guy 02-06-2010 08:35 PM

Is Sac related to Okung's agent?

Good lord.

OnTheWarpath15 02-06-2010 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6510961)
Is Sac related to Okung's agent?

Good lord.

I'm starting to think he's related to Okung himself.

He's got a bigger hard-on for this kid than findthedr did for Trevor ****ing Laws.


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