Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8225261)

So? Manning was slinging the ball to Harrison, Wayne, and Clark during that time and was the only QB to throw for more yards over a couple years span Green was in KC.

Originally Posted by bricks (Post 8225370)

Cassel and Haley have been fortunate to be surrounded by good casts throughout most of their careers.

Cassel had a great wide receiver corps in New England with Moss and Welker and a good defense around him with a good coaching staff. Last year in KC he was surrounded with a similar situation, except Todd Haley is not a great coach. Last year he had great running game, good defense behind him and a great offensive coordinator in Charlie Weis.

I think that pretty much explains why he had a productive season because he was surrounded with a good cast.

Take Todd Haley throughout his career he's been blessed with great wide receivers in Keyshawn, Owens, Booker, Fitzgerald, Boldin. Yeah he had a good wide receiving corps in Arizona but he also had a great quarterback in Kurt Warner and he ran an offense that was under Ken Whisenhunt.

This year was truly a message to reveal how shit Todd Haley and Matt Cassel really are. Especially when they had to do things independently by themselves. Charles goes down, Moeaki gets hurt, Weis leaves, the schedule isn't as soft, look what happens? you see how crap they really are. Those guys have had their weaknesses masked throughout most of their careers. At least Pioli did something right by firing Haley. Now if he keeps Cassel he is simply a moron.

Originally Posted by whosyou (Post 8225257)

Made of weed? Seriously, Cassel had a magical season last year. If he had the o line and run game Green had, we'd of beat Baltimore last year in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by wutamess (Post 8225407)

Lets not get too confused about who Trent Green is here... his first season here... he didn't have the amr strength and was labled TrINT by almost everyone. Years following priest Holmes bailed his ass out by taking his dumpoffs to the house. Trent has NEVER been an all on his shoulders QB as he was aided by an excellent O-Line and above avg surrounding cast. He went 20 yards DOWN FIELD unless it was up the seam to Gonzo and maybe a bomb to EK. His 4000/year numbers were inflated by YAC #'s. Not by actually going down the field.

YAC per reception - 2002 season
Trent Green 6.33
Rich Gannon 5.65
Mark Brunell 5.45
Joey Harrington 5.41

Here's another one for you - % of passing yards AFTER the catch!

Tom Brady 52.66
Joey Harrington 50.74
Rich Gannon 50.35
Trent Green 49.24

Here are the YAC stats for receivers - I don't even have to do the math for you to see that Marvin has very very very low YAC.

1 Priest Holmes KC 774
2 Charlie Garner Oak 769
3 Terrell Owens SF 599

Originally Posted by wutamess (Post 8225407)

Years following priest Holmes bailed his ass out by taking his dumpoffs to the house.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 8225369)

So... Trent Green is no Peyton Manning. He was a decent quarterback in a great situation. He wasn't the "stud" that BigChiefTablet and others think he was.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8225346)

Really?
Were you born yesterday?

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8225144)

Denny, what team do you root for? I'm assuming it's not KC since you said you didn't know who Peterson was.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8225413)

That sounds a lot like Cassel in New England.

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8225425)

LMAO

What a freaking joke.

Priest Holmes had 187 yards receiving in 2004 and Trent still passed for 4,600 yards.

There is no evidence that supports this asinine Orton > Green theory.

Originally Posted by Denny (Post 8225441)

Nope. In fact I was born 51 years ago.

In Chicago.

He might be tremendously important to Kansas City, but that doesn't mean the rest of the country has even noticed him.


As I just said, I was born in Chicago. So MY team is Da Bears.

But I have spent my adult life in the Air Force. So I've moved around a bit and learned to appreciate other NFL teams. I watch beyond the Bears, although I always watch the Bears.

I'll admit to being a "player-fan" as well as a "team-fan." I liked Orton in Chicago. He was clearly the Bears' best QB since Dave Krieg in the mid-90s and the best one we'd drafted since Jim McMahon. I still think that Chicago would be better off if they'd kept Orton instead of trading him for Cutler. I was very upset when KC grabbed him off waivers before the Bears could (but the Cowboys still would have kept him from us).

Admittedly, I hadn't paid much attention to the Chiefs before Kyle landed in KC. But I have to say that the Defense, WRs, and RBs were very impressive looking in last week's game. They look like a fun team to watch for the rest of this season...

Originally Posted by Denny (Post 8225441)

Nope. In fact I was born 51 years ago.

In Chicago.

He might be tremendously important to Kansas City, but that doesn't mean the rest of the country has even noticed him.


As I just said, I was born in Chicago. So MY team is Da Bears.

But I have spent my adult life in the Air Force. So I've moved around a bit and learned to appreciate other NFL teams. I watch beyond the Bears, although I always watch the Bears.

I'll admit to being a "player-fan" as well as a "team-fan." I liked Orton in Chicago. He was clearly the Bears' best QB since Dave Krieg in the mid-90s and the best one we'd drafted since Jim McMahon. I still think that Chicago would be better off if they'd kept Orton instead of trading him for Cutler. I was very upset when KC grabbed him off waivers before the Bears could (but the Cowboys still would have kept him from us).

Admittedly, I hadn't paid much attention to the Chiefs before Kyle landed in KC. But I have to say that the Defense, WRs, and RBs were very impressive looking in last week's game. They look like a fun team to watch for the rest of this season...