Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11873835)

QOs are interesting to me, as teams clearly have not figured out how to use them effectively. The last I had seen, not a single player had accepted one. That means teams aren't using them enough, thus a lot of picks are being left on the table. If nobody is accepting the offers, they aren't being issued often enough.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11874085)

I was told they talked to him about RF when converting him in the minors, but he wasn't comfortable reading fly balls on "that" side of the field.

I'd be shocked if he signed somewhere knowing they plan to move him to RF.

Re: More QOs...

I think teams are very judicious with them because you don't want to get stuck with a marginal guy.

From the players side, it might seem a little too close to the pre-Curt Flood days for some. I think we see some accepted this year.

Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 11874114)

I'm not sure they are really meant or expected to be accepted. It fits such a narrow range of players, so narrow that nobody has ever accepted.

Pretty much anyone good enough to be offered a 1-yr deal worth $15M is going to be good enough to be offered multiple years at $15M or more as a free agent, so why would they ever take the deal.

It seems to only possibly fit a player right on the edge of the $15M market value, where he thinks that taking a 1 yr deal and having a good year will catapult them into a much higher range the next year. But even then, do you pass up multi-years at $15M as a free agent to take 1 yr at $15M in hopes of later getting multi years at $20M, when you risk injury or a bad year and ending up with multi-years at $5M?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11874855)

So it sounds like the Reds are having a fire sale. Joey Votto is owed $200,000,000 over the next 8 years. How much would the Reds have to eat in order to make it worthwhile to take him?

I'd say $40,000,000 or so would make it tempting. 8 years at $20,000,000 AAV?

Originally Posted by KCCHIEFS27 (Post 11874951)

Ned yost isn't even a finalist for manager of the year?? Are you kidding me?

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 11874919)

I would hate to have the Royals fall off the front page so soon, so I will post a hypothetical again:



Royals Push Payroll to 155M



Existing payroll is 97M

Deal Dyson/Infante (-8, 89)

Offer Holland a three year deal (4/5.5/10[M.O.]) (+4,93)

Offer Gordon an extension (5/85) (+17,110)

Offer Zobrist an extension (4/52) (+13,123)

Offer Heyward a contract (10/200, Player options starting at year 7)(+20,143)

Offer Latos* a contract (1/10M)(+10, 153M total)



Note: Latos takes a one year deal in a pitchers park with the best defense in baseball behind him. He takes this deal because he needs to rebuild his reputation. The Royals straighten his ass out in the clubhouse and Latos moves on to a huge contract next year. Royals tender a QO and get a pick for their troubles.



C: Perez, Butera

1B: Hosmer, Morales

2B: Zobrist, Colon

SS: Escobar

3B: Moustakas, Cuthbert

OF: Gordon, Cain, Heyward, Orlando, Gore



SP: Ventura, Volquez, Medlen, Duffy, Latos

RP: Davis, Herrera, Hochevar, XXX,XXX,XXX





Then it's just a matter of stocking up the pen again.

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 11875099)

Cespedes beat Gordon for the GG but Gordon did miss a lot of time