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BossChief 08-25-2016 12:15 PM

SD put a "I'm stupid" sign around their neck with this whole thing.

Why draft a kid at 3rd overall that you feel you have a good chance of cutting in 2 years?

A good enough chance of cutting that you insist on language in the contract that protects you incase you want to cut him?

They should be forced to sell.

Chief Pagan 08-25-2016 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 12385623)
What team in their right mind would select Bosa in the first round after sitting out an entire season?

Because you would be afraid he wouldn't sign or because he would have lost his football skills?

He could still work out for teams next spring, right? You could talk to him and his agent and agree on what the contract would be before you draft him.

Get a potential top 5 talent (I'm assuming this is the case, I don't know anything about his ability) at the end of the first round? Sounds like a good gamble (Dorsey has taken similar gambles that have paid off).

DaneMcCloud 08-25-2016 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 12385774)
Because you would be afraid he wouldn't sign or because he would have lost his football skills?

He could still work out for teams next spring, right? You could talk to him and his agent and agree on what the contract would be before you draft him.

Get a potential top 5 talent (I'm assuming this is the case, I don't know anything about his ability) at the end of the first round? Sounds like a good gamble (Dorsey has taken similar gambles that have paid off).

Although the NFL "looks the other way" when it comes to teams holding the #1 overall pick, agents are not allowed to speak with teams about contracts before players are drafted.

jspchief 08-25-2016 02:59 PM

https://twitter.com/JasonColeBR/stat...040200193?s=09

Fwiw, of 75 players drafted No. 1 to No. 5 from 1999 to 2013, offset language would have applied to 1 player: Cedric Benson.

Gadzooks 08-25-2016 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12386040)
https://twitter.com/JasonColeBR/stat...040200193?s=09

Fwiw, of 75 players drafted No. 1 to No. 5 from 1999 to 2013, offset language would have applied to 1 player: Cedric Benson.

That's worth nothing.

jspchief 08-25-2016 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 12386048)
That's worth nothing.

Why? It simply demonstrates how often offset language actually matters.

jjchieffan 08-25-2016 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12386040)
https://twitter.com/JasonColeBR/stat...040200193?s=09

Fwiw, of 75 players drafted No. 1 to No. 5 from 1999 to 2013, offset language would have applied to 1 player: Cedric Benson.

I had forgotten about him. But even he played 3 seasons before being cut. He then signed a one year contract with Cinci for league minimum, so I don't believe that the offset language would have applied to him either since there was no signing bonus from Cinci to offset. So, I really see no point at all in the offset language being a reason for this ridiculous standoff.

Gadzooks 08-25-2016 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12386062)
Why? It simply demonstrates how often offset language actually matters.

Anything prior to the 2013 CBA is useless, (I should have been more specific).

jjchieffan 08-25-2016 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 12386124)
Anything prior to the 2013 CBA is useless, (I should have been more specific).

Regardless, since the new CBA, there hasn't been anyone cut that was drafted in the entire first round that I know of and the 2013 draft was full of busts. Certainly nobody in the top 5 was cut. He was the 3rd overall pick. He wasn't getting cut anyway so the offset language should be a non issue.

DaneMcCloud 08-25-2016 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 12386124)
Anything prior to the 2013 CBA is useless, (I should have been more specific).

Do you mean the 2011 CBA?

:p

Gadzooks 08-25-2016 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12386137)
Do you mean the 2011 CBA?

:p

Of course that's what I meant.:harumph:

Mr. Laz 08-25-2016 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12385771)
SD put a "I'm stupid" sign around their neck with this whole thing.

Why draft a kid at 3rd overall that you feel you have a good chance of cutting in 2 years?

A good enough chance of cutting that you insist on language in the contract that protects you incase you want to cut him?

They should be forced to sell.

Many teams use some kind of offset clause on 1st round picks. Should they wear a sign too?

dls6501 08-25-2016 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 12385623)
I do not know anything about the wealth of his family. If that is the case, why play football? Bosa should just go and work for his family because any way you slice it, San Diego has the advantage.

The trade deadline passed, therefore he has one option - Sign or sit out the season and lose millions of dollars. What team in their right mind would select Bosa in the first round after sitting out an entire season?

I agree with everyone who called him selfish. Walking away from almost $19 million on the table at age 20-21 years old is absurd.

Meanwhile, the other 31 teams are breathing a sigh of relief that they did not select him in the first round.

Just my opinion.

I disagree with basically this entire post. He isnt "walking away from $19M."

As far as the 31 other teams comments go, all 31 other teams would have locked him up by now, and not been petty about not giving their top draft pick what he should be getting.

ThaVirus 08-25-2016 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12385710)
To me, both sides are idiots in this. Bosa will likely lose $10+ million if he sits out for the year, and the Chargers will have effectively had their 1st round draft pick stripped. It's dumbfounding that they can't reach an agreement.


Agreed.

R8RFAN 08-25-2016 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 12384153)
As far as I understand top draft picks get a choice between deferred language or the bonus up front.

Chargers continue to offer neither, so they can protect themselves.

The way it's being framed in the media, which obviously supports the NFL, is that Bosa is simply demanding his full bonus up front when he's essentially asking for the same thing every other player at his draft slot has received since 2012 and what 95% of draft picks in the top 3 rounds have received in the same span.

50% up front with offset language is a bad rookie deal for Bosa, and that's what had been offered. The new offer was basically the same thing with 60% up front.

The chargers, as usual, have been active in smearing Bosa and setting the narrative that he's just a greedy asshole. The truth is they're just squeezing pennies because their shit organization is broke.

I read a story somewhere recently that stated the Chargers were one of the hardest teams in the NFL to negotiate with and it also referred to their use of the offset language as the reason.


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