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RaidersOftheCellar 12-19-2024 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17865016)
Pacheco has poor vision.

There's a reason Hunt always seems to look immediately better.

Hunt's only better in short yardage situations.

Otter 12-19-2024 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17865022)
For sure, but I think the OL has taken some bullets this year for things not necessarily their fault.

Hunt hits the spots much better. I'm sounding like a bitter ass, but I've never been a big Pacheco guy. He brings energy and such, but he's gonna run for what's blocked where it's blocked.

I'll agree with this. Pacheco is as good as what he's given most of the time and has a hard time making yards/plays on his own. It's not bitter if it's accurate. That said with an above average o-line he can easily be a top 10 RB IMHO.

As far as Hollywood I expect something along the lines of 3 receptions for 21 yards this game. I'm guessing they play him gingerly then break him out full bore for the Pitt & Donx game.

God, I hate those two teams. :#

DJ's left nut 12-19-2024 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 17865095)
I'll agree with this. Pacheco is as good as what he's given most of the time and has a hard time making yards/plays on his own. It's not bitter if it's accurate. That said with an above average o-line he can easily be a top 10 RB IMHO.

As far as Hollywood I expect something along the lines of 3 receptions for 21 yards this game. I'm guessing they play him gingerly then break him out full bore for the Pitt & Donx game.

God, I hate those two teams. :#

I honestly would've be shocked to see them get him 4-5 targets in their first scripted 15.

I don't think they plan on working him in slowly.

LagunaSWana 12-19-2024 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17865741)
I honestly would've be shocked to see them get him 4-5 targets in their first scripted 15.

I don't think they plan on working him in slowly.

I would be thrilled with a bunch of on time throws on Saturday. Those have been few and far between lately.

-King- 12-19-2024 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17865741)
I honestly would've be shocked to see them get him 4-5 targets in their first scripted 15.

I don't think they plan on working him in slowly.

They have to get him worked in early. He needs to be tackled to give him confidence in his ability to take hit. Wouldn't be surprised to see a quick screen to him on the first play

493rd 12-19-2024 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17864931)
And it's not as if we didn't see this SAME EXACT issue last year.

I got news everyone, it wasn't just Donovan Smith that all the sudden elevated his game to serviceable levels in the playoffs leading them to win those games.

It was the entire unit rising to the challenge. 100% steady focus for the first time all year long. They felt that need to win maybe for the first time in those games. More opponent-specific game planning. The whole operation, Donovan included, raised up to a higher standard.

That's all we need to happen. Whether it's Thuney or Humphries. And it's very achievable, especially if you're only asking them to hold up for two home playoff games in which they'll be far more fresh than their opponent, as well as a Super Bowl with two weeks to prepare.

Is there any scenario where the O line doesn’t rise to the occasion? Like what we’ve seen all season kinda not rising to the occasion. Mahomes been sacked career high this year.

DRM08 12-19-2024 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17865755)
They have to get Hollywood worked in early. He needs to be tackled to give him confidence in his ability to take hit. Wouldn't be surprised to see a quick screen to him on the first play

That's the real kick in the nuts on Hollywood's injury. It seemed like such a harmless play, and BOOM the guy is gone for 90% of the season before it even gets started. Hard to have much expectation moving forward. Will be nice if he is able to stay healthy for the Playoff games.

T-post Tom 12-20-2024 02:55 AM

Marquise ‘Hollywood’ Brown’s Return Can Help the Chiefs in More Ways Than One

Marquise "Hollywood" Brown was the KC Chiefs' biggest offseason add, and his anticipated return could help the offense find itself heading into the postseason.

The Kansas City Chiefs sit at 13-1, atop the AFC with a 1.5-game lead over the field. With that said, they may have to win two of their remaining three games to secure the one-seed and a bye heading into the postseason.

Kansas City has received reinforcements in Isiah Pacheco and Charles Omenihu over the past few weeks to help with this effort. The good news is that they figure to get another player back this week: Marquise "Hollywood" Brown. The wide receiver's return should elevate the offense by fixing some current warts.

The Chiefs planned to have Brown, Xavier Worthy and Rashee Rice as their wide receiver trio entering the season. Unfortunately, Rice is out for the season but the team brought in DeAndre Hopkins to fill the void. While Hopkins doesn't bring the same dynamic ability that Rice has at this stage, we may finally see what the Chiefs envisioned in the offseason when building the room.

One noticeable thing with the offense is the lack of speed outside of Worthy. At this stage of his career, Travis Kelce no longer scares defenses vertically, and neither do the rest of the tight ends. Hopkins has never been a speedster and JuJu Smith-Schuster no longer has the juice he had earlier on. Justin Watson is theoretically a speed threat, but his speed comes from a build-up. He needs 10 to 20 yards to reach that gear, so it isn't effective in short areas.

Brown brings another weapon with elite speed. When he and Worthy are on the field together, which should be a lot in the playoffs, teams will have to worry about either going vertical. The Chiefs have thrown deep (at least 20 yards downfield) 42 times this season. Sixteen of those tries have gone to Worthy. They don't have a secondary option that they like throwing the ball deep to. The return of Brown will offer them options.

Another place where Brown's speed helps is when teams blitz. Patrick Mahomes's passer rating against the blitz is the lowest of his career by almost 10 points. This can be attributed to the drop in offensive line play and the fact that the receivers don't have the ability to win quickly in their routes. Brown's ability to do so can help Mahomes against blitz looks.

Lastly, teams have been able to play man coverage against the Chiefs more often because they aren't afraid of the weapons beating them consistently. Last year, Brown had a yard-per-route run mark of 1.96 against man coverage. That would be the best of any of the current pass catchers this season. Brown's ability to separate against single matchups could help eliminate some of the coverage pressures and sacks that have occurred this season. He can provide a man-beating weapon the Chiefs desperately need to make the defenses think twice about playing man.

Brown's return can be the boost the Kansas City offense has been looking for all season. They flipped a switch in the postseason last year and if they can do it again with his addition, the offense can be humming when it matters the most.

https://www.ketk.com/sports/sports-i...ways-than-one/

FloridaMan88 12-20-2024 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17865016)
Pacheco has poor vision.

There's a reason Hunt always seems to look immediately better.

And Pacheco can’t break away for explosive runs.

He has a solid career YPC average… but his longest career run is 48 yards.

TEX 12-20-2024 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17865769)
That's the real kick in the nuts on Hollywood's injury. It seemed like such a harmless play, and BOOM the guy is gone for 90% of the season before it even gets started. Hard to have much expectation moving forward. Will be nice if he is able to stay healthy for the Playoff games.

Yep. Knew there was a risk when we signed him, but man the first play. Wow.

JohnnyHammersticks 12-20-2024 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LagunaSWana (Post 17864991)
Getting back to Hollywood Brown, what do we expect from him on Saturday? I think it's a bit of a fantasy that he will come in and suddenly make our deep passing game relevant again, so will he be an effective replacement for what Rice was giving before he got hurt? I honestly just don't know his game that well and what to expect.

5 catches, 89 yds, one 2-point conversion reception.

You're welcome, and don't ask me how I know. You seem like a nice guy and I would hate to have to kill you.

St. Patty's Fire 12-20-2024 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17866110)
And Pacheco can’t break away for explosive runs.

He has a solid career YPC average… but his longest career run is 48 yards.

i love pacheco’s style and attitude but realistically he’s slightly above average at best in terms of actual production. we could def use a real bellcow back at some point, especially if we’re gonna be built around being a defensive, complementary football team. we just lack any sort of explosiveness in the run game. we’ve gotta be towards the bottom of the league for run plays over 20 yards (and yes I know pacheco has been hurt but I doubt we would have been at the top of that list last season either)

Rausch 12-20-2024 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 17866624)
i love pacheco’s style and attitude but realistically he’s slightly above average at best in terms of actual production. we could def use a real bellcow back at some point, especially if we’re gonna be built around being a defensive, complementary football team. we just lack any sort of explosiveness in the run game. we’ve gotta be towards the bottom of the league for run plays over 20 yards (and yes I know pacheco has been hurt but I doubt we would have been at the top of that list last season either)

This upcoming draft has a ton of HB talent. The priority needs to be a legit LT but rounds 3 on down I'd be fine with a swing on HBOTF.

-King- 12-20-2024 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 17866624)
i love pacheco’s style and attitude but realistically he’s slightly above average at best in terms of actual production. we could def use a real bellcow back at some point, especially if we’re gonna be built around being a defensive, complementary football team. we just lack any sort of explosiveness in the run game. we’ve gotta be towards the bottom of the league for run plays over 20 yards (and yes I know pacheco has been hurt but I doubt we would have been at the top of that list last season either)

Veach loves him a RB with bad vision. Pacheco, Clyde and Steele. He's trying to open a RB school for the blind.

JohnnyHammersticks 12-20-2024 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17866630)
Veach loves him a RB with bad vision. Pacheco, Clyde and Steele. He's trying to open a RB school for the blind.

Sucks we can't have you at GM instead of Veach. Guy has done absolutely nothing during his tenure here, but walks around the building with his chest puffed out like he's assembled a team that played in 4 of the last 5 SBs and won 3 of them. THE NERVE OF THAT LOSER! :mad:


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