I love the idea that Bowe won't rape this year.

We're gonna be passing more (barring our defense being top 5)

There's less pressure on Bowe because of the talent on offense.

We have an OC who shouldn't be in a retirement home.

His motivation is gonna be very high.

Dude is gonna beast the **** out.

Reported.

I think it's a given Bowe will have a great season.
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Shut up bitch
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Sure, there are several 30+ year old WR's available each year on the downside of the careers. But, there are rarely 28 year old, extremely productive WR's looking for their second contracts available.

I'd take Dwayne Bowe any day of the week over those players, hands down. None are in the same league, per se.

Yes, it's easy: A.

Money isn't and should be an issue. The Chiefs have plenty of room under the salary cap, they can front load the first two years and in 2014, have an additional $18 million to play with. Bowe is young, productive and proven.

Secondly, I'd be shocked if any team gave up a first round pick for Bowe. I could see a late second but draft picks are just too valuable for most teams. For some teams, too valuable.

He should have been signed before July 15th.

2 drops, he sucks/chiefsfootballfanakamultofsomeboredposter

What it breaks down to is this:

A) Bowe
B) Mario Manninham (or comparable player) + 1st round pick + significant amount of cap space that can be used elsewhere.

There is no question that b is the better option

I'd rather have Bowe

Bull. Shit.

I don't give a **** about the mythical cap, and a single pick isn't enough compensation for Bowe.

Go **** your mother, homer

Somebody should have told the Lions about that REALLY sweet deal they could have scored for Calvin Johnson. Imagine Vincent Jackson and Titus Young in that offense with extra draft picks and some extra cap room!

I was low balling the pick.

To me, I'd move Bowe for a first and a conditional pick and sign a replacement.

Then, you know what I'd do with my two first round picks?

Wait. Why is some other team willing to give up a first and meet Bowe's contract demands?

Go **** your grandmother, draftabulator
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Go **** your great-grandmother, homerbulator

Where?

Charles, Hali, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Winston, Baldwin, Breaston, Routt, Cassel (and soon, Poe) are locked up. Where will this "significant" cap space be spent? If it wasn't spent on Carr or Bowe, where will it go? We're talking double digit cap space this year and in 2013.

Apparently, the Chiefs are all well and good paying Bowe the $9 million+ Franchise tag. They just don't want to pony up a double digit signing bonus. Which leads us back to Clark Hunt's wallet.

Because teams like Miami, Titans, Rams and others need someone for their guys to throw to.

Their picks will be premium picks, too.

I just don't buy it. If those teams weren't willing to trade for Bowe in 2012, I have a hard time believing they'll be willing in 2013.

I think the Chiefs could snag a late two and possibly an additional 5th or 6th, but not much more. Teams just aren't giving up high picks for veteran receivers.

**** you mother ****er clark hunt isnt cheap you stupid mother ****er

These are just the guys that come to mind...lots of them make next to nothing right now and will need a significant new contract in the next 2 or 3 years.

Albert
Dorsey
Houston

Asamoah
Bailey
Moeaki
Arenas

Plus, Ricky Stanzi is gonna need a 100 million dollar deal in two years!!!

Dude, really?

Please explain how Dwayne Bowe's contract would affect Asamoah, Bailey, Moeaki, Arenas and Houston? Houston and Bailey are second year players! Moeaki was injured and who knows how long he'll stay healthy, Arenas is a 3rd CB at best. NONE will break the bank or even get close to it.

Anyone who "overspends" on Glen Dorsey should be fired immediately. He received Top 5 money when Top 5 money meant $50 million. And if Albert wants Top Tier left tackle money, he can look elsewhere. I like him quite a bit but he's hardly irreplaceable.

Same goes for Dorsey. Like him. Not irreplaceable.

What?

Brandon Marshall yielded 2 second rounders as a total malcontent...then yielded 2 third rounders this offseason after showing how little he cares about his own team.

If he can yield that, Bowe can pull at least a first.

If we can parlay Bowe into another first and use that to move up for a franchise quarterback, I'll help pack his bags and drive him to the airport.

That's coming from one of Bowes biggest fans on here.

I just don't see it. If that were the case, Bowe would have been before the draft. Don't you think a team like Cleveland would have been a prime contender, considering they just gave up 2013's second rounder for a malcontent mess?

I know what you'd do, but I'm afraid that's not what Pioli would do.

There were similar conversations this off-season, and some floated the idea of offering Bowe + compensation to the Rams for the #2 overall pick and thus secure RGIII.

I'm trying my best to play devils advocate.

I've said over and over that I think we should have signed Bowe to a 8/100/40-45.

Shit, I was the one who broke everything down a few days ago to come up with those figures by taking CJ and Fitz' production and taking the percentage Of those stats Bowe has accumulated and did the algebra required to come to the "educated guess contract" most are throwing around.

I guess I can understand both sides of this and why both are plausible, is all.

You keep saying this, and it's simply not true...

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Great. John Clayton, once again, acting as a shill for the owners.

:hmmm:

In 2014, there will be an additional $1.2 billion in rights fees paid to the NFL. If the NFL doesn't share that money with the NFLPA, it's going to be a mess. The players most definitely expect the cap to rise in 2014.

If the owners get more money and the split with the players is a direct percentage of the money the league makes...that means if they make more, the cap will go up.

If it doesnt, the owners are stealing more money from the players.

Yep. If Clayton's right and the owners try to pull the old "fuzzy math" trick, there's going to be some serious unrest on behalf of the NFLPA.

And despite of all that (2014), the Chiefs could have and should have signed Dwayne Bowe.

There are 5 chefs.

Four of them are given top notch quality ingredients and top of the line kitchens to prepare their meals.

One is given Spam, Top Ramen, a generic label mac and cheese and a hot plate to prepare his.

People come away from the first four meals impressed, as they should be.

People come away from the fifth meal and think, that chef did a damn fine job with the crap he had to work with, but he didn't prepare a gourmet meal.

Well, no shit.

Bowe is that fifth chef.

He has crap to work with, and yet he still does a damn fine job.

Give him the resources of the other 4, and he is right there with them.

So MicJones, you asked earlier in this thread, is Bowe worth a top 4 WR contract?

You damn right, he is.

Sounds like it's more about the wording in the collective bargaining agreement. If players get upset, it should be with their own lawyers.

You may be right. It seems like they signed on the dotted line without realizing that Roger Goodell is their judge, jury and executioner, so this may be another mistake by De Smith.

LMAO Or just a cut? Seriously, does it take a genius to draft Eric Berry?

Just saw this posted today and if this is already posted but buried among the previous 93 pages I apologize.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, Bowe is second in the NFL on receiving the highest percentage of his team’s red zone targets in the past two seasons. He is ranked over than same time span in red zone receiving touchdowns.

So he's been the only target Cassell has thrown to in the RZ for 2 years? Not sure how to interpret this?

I'd put him at about the 8-11 range...

Makes sense. There hasn't been any other receiver playing on the team the last two years.

No Breaston in 2010. No Moeaki in 2011.

He doesn't rank amoung the elite receivers imo. He's not elite. The rest of those guys make the play when the game is on the line and the team needs it most. Bowe does not. He mostly just schools shitty WRs like Powers last year in Indy. He's a good receiver but is no where near great imo.

Heh, I always get a chuckle when guys say stuff like this. Those guys drop passes and make mistakes to. Fans tend to critque and be harder on their own teams guys than they are on players from other teams.

I had three different guys argue that Desean Jackson is better than Dwayne Bowe.

****ing preposterous.

Stupid people correlate Speed to skill.

Fixed

Yep but, they catch the big ones. Bowe has dropped some big ones. It's definately part of the reason he doesn't have a new contract.

Did you miss Welkers drop in the Super Bowl last year that would have sealed the game for the Pats?

I saw it and he doesn't have a contract either. LMAO

No, just kidding, it's obviously alot more than that. Welker has beaten Revis one on one in big games. Bowe has always struggled against good corners. Cromartie used to make fun of him, Asamough shut him down, and Champ has almost always gotten the best of him (except for the game they were killing u at halftime and the d-coordinator started pulling the corners way off the line).

We're you conceived in a crackhouse?

You have serious issues, don't you?

Are you 15 years old? If you don't like somebody, feel free to keep it to yourself. Wow. The immaturity of this board never ceases to amaze me.

Pretty much this. He plays for a better, more marketable team. Plus he's fast so his 75+ yard TDs are more likely to make SportsCenter.

That's because he plays with shitty QBs that either can't thread the needle or don't even try unless he's wide open by at least two steps. "Open" by Cassel/Huard/Palko/Thigpen standards is not the same as NFL "open".

It's like Chicken Pox...

I don't respond intelligently to trolls like Black Bob.

Are you a troll or a moron?

Neither.

So why exactly is Black Bob a troll? Because he has a different opinion then you? Hmmm...

You're a moron.

I wouldn't rank him with the elite's.....but I'd rank him along the likes of Brandon Marshall, Miles Austin, and Vincent Jackson.

i'm peeing on your mom from a hot air balloon while holding a boom box blasting Skrillex...

And I appreciate your opinion. And thoughtful, well-written reply to the question raised.

Have a nice life.

Go Chiefs!

LMAO

You know who was known league-wide as a notorious pass dropper for a large stretch of his career?

Jerry. ****ing. Rice.

And it didn't stop after the initial plague of drops at the beginning of his career. Joe Montana got injured, then left, and Rice started dropping shit AGAIN for a couple seasons with Steve Young.

Don't tell me "great" WRs don't drop passes. And let's not pretend that the Ricky Proehls and Joe Jureviciouses out there who catch everything thrown their way are any good, because they're not.

You'd take Bowe over D. Jackson?

All hail Trollius Maximus!

Not at all. Asking a serious question. Try to look at it as a football fan that is not a fan of any particular team and see what you think.

Bowe is a better and more valuable WR to a team than DeSean Jackson. Yes.

After Jackson got his dic knocked off a year or two ago, he's basically a deep threat only.

Depends on what you need. I like Jackson's speed, route running, average ypc, and break away threat. Plus I think he's a couple years younger.
Bowe is nice but you act like we're comparing Jackson to Megatron.
We aren't.

Jackson isn't a good route runner. He's a deep threat. Thats about it.

Jackson's a speedy mother, but he's far from a great route runner. Bowe is far better at that than Jackson.

I don't get why Bowe has to be Megatron to be better than Jackson. Bowe is slower, and that's about the only advantage Jackson has. Well, that and QB obviously.

He runs a damn good deep route. Again, it depends on what your team needs. I like Jackson as a true threat WR. Reasonable minds can disagree but to say there isn't a discussion is homeriffic. Granted, this is a KC board and it is your right to be homers here.

I just don't see him as a true threat WR. He's a deep threat. Same with Mike Wallace.

The only sanctioned homerism here is from Bronco fans, you know this.

Fair response. I like Mike Wallace too.

Maybe on the Mane or in the KnowMo thread. I hope I've made it clear through the years that I recognize my status here as rival visitor and respect that this is a Chiefs board.

I like Wallace alot more, to be honest.

LMAO a donkey fan talking about homerism.

Nah, Valipass is a Bronco, but he's a good dude.

Oh yeah. More complete and tougher too IMHO.

Would you take Jackson over Thomas?

Ehhhhh... it's good. It's not damn good or great.

Might just have to do with preferences, but I really don't see how you can look at a receiver like Bowe who makes the plays that he does with such garbage rapeshit for his QB and pass over him for a TRUE diva (wanna talk character problems in WRs FFS?) who doesn't really do anything more than streak past coverage and does a good job of putting his body in a position to make a good catch.

How many guys are there in the NFL just like DeSean Jackson? Mike Wallace, Torrey Smith, Percy Harvin, Delirium Tremens, to some extent Greg Jennings, Santonio Holmes, Pierre Garcon, Kenny Britt... they're ****ing everywhere.

How many guys are there in the NFL who do what Bowe does in terms of big bodies who have the ability to make the highlight reel catch? Teams draft these kinds of players all the time but rarely do they work as well as the guys who do what DeSean Jackson does. Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Anquan Boldin, I suppose one would put Justin Blackmon into this category if he works out... really aren't that many.

Then again you have the guys that certainly cross both types. Those kinds are even fewer. Larry Fitzgerald and (maybe) Julio Jones are the only ones I can think of at the moment still in the NFL who do that. At one point in the NFL there was no question that Randy Moss was the best in the business because he did it all so goddamn well, but now that's not really the case any more.

I got your homer right here Marge.

Yeah, he's a realist too. Wasn't talking about him earlier.

Solid points, agreed on the different types of WR. The trick is to get a mix. the year we had B Marsh with Royal underneath and Cutler slinging to them was a good mix.
Oh, there's another thing. No matter who the WR is they aren't shit without the ball getting to them.