I didn't realize it but I heard this morning Dallas defense has given up the fewest yards in franchise history through the first 3 games.

Yea seems like they don't need ET.

They can wish for a 1st all they want. That ain’t happening.

The Cowboys and Chiefs aren’t blinking. This is just going to compound on Seattle as the trade deadline gets closer. If Thomas is a Seahawk after 10/30, Seattle will get a 3rd rd comp at best.

I don’t see him staying there past next month after all the stuff he’s pulling. Schneider will come down on his demands if we wants something better than a comp.

Jason Garrett is not a good head coach.

I don't think Seattle wants to move him in conference, the last thing they want is to in a year or 2 miss a wildcard because of the Cowboys they'll never hear the end of that.

Dak isn't good either.

He's the 4th round QB everyone thought he was.

No, he's not. He made his name as an OC riding the Romo to Dez train. I was just saying what his excuses will be. Jerry will keep them both.
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Sure we are, but there is something about teams not wanting to make a trade with teams in their own conference... KC should start with a # 2 and see where it goes from there. Seattle will likely take a lesser offer, as long as it's close, to trade him out of the NFC. At least that's how I'd do it.

I agree with that, if you move an elite player you'd like to possibly not have to play him every year or deal with him in the playoff fight or in the playoffs.

Trading him here basically means they might see him one or 2 times before his career is over.

Dallas already offered the 2nd. Unless they reduced their offer or the Seahawks won't trade him there out of pure spite, we have to do better than that. A 2nd from the Cowboys looks a hell of a lot more appealing to me than one from the Chiefs or Rams

Yes. I thought that too. I don't like to deal with people / players in general who act like that, because they'll usually do it across the board. But, if he / they are good enough, it gets overlooked - until they're not anymore.

You're kind of ignoring 2 things here. Teams hate trading star players to the same conference also what if they don't want to send him there because that is his top choice? Teams do that all the time..not that coming here is bad since the Chiefs are more of a winner but it gets him completely away from Seattle and any of their chances over the next few years.

He was never ever a problem until he felt like they dicked him over.

This is a guy that took less money so that team could stay together, he has every right to be pissed at them. He did them a solid and in return they tried to **** him.

I think that would only make a difference if the picks were likely to be close in value. Also, we have to pay this dude like a top safety or he's just going to be a pain in the ass here too.

Why is that being brought up? Isn't a forgone conclusion if you deal for him you have already decided you're paying him? You know like Khalil Mack?

In case you aren't aware, we really don't have too much cap space even before we take into account talent like Hill, Jones, and Fuller.

The Chiefs have 2/3 of their units being elite right now.

Don't waste it. **** it. Lets do this.

This seems to be gaining allot of steam on NFL Network and talk among journalists. Where there is smoke there is fire. I wouldn't be surprised if the deal is agreed to and veech is just trying to work out an extension with his agents. We can make the cap work easily. And it instantly makes this defense a mid tier contender. If you can agree to a deal and we have the peters bait you do it.

You know what? You're right. I do remember that now - he wanted to KEEP the group together... Furthermore, it's even worse because they let players go, which freed up $$$ and he still got ignored.

Hill's deal won't be affected the other 2 have years left and honestly..I wouldn't cry if they left and they are replaceable.

You can **** with the cap in whatever way you need to make shit happen, teams do it all the time.

Chadiha was just on 810 talking about it.

Said he doubted it got done with KC because ET wouldn't sign long term in KC if the $ isn't crazy.

Sure, but I don't think Veach would be too eager to invest both draft capital AND money into a guy like Thomas when we're currently at 3-0 and he's theoretically got
Berry on the way to stabilize the position.

Like I said, i really wouldn't mind the move at all but unless there's things at work behind the scenes i don't see it working out.

Welp. That just about kills it. **** overpaying both the Seahawks and Thomas himself.

Said he thought a 2nd would get it done, Chiefs just aren't sure about whether he'll sign long term.

Guess he doesn't care about the possibility of getting a ring. Can't blame him though, you gotta go where the money is to secure your future.

Doesn't even matter to me at this point. If we have to overpay him just to get him to stick around, he can take his cancerous schtick on down to Jerryworld and spend the rest of his days in mediocrity.

All you'd have to do is pay him what he wants..money talks.

He's taken less money than he could have gotten for the better part of his career...I can understand why he wants to get paid.

At some point, that becomes too much.

He's still making 10 million this year.

I mean, come on man. You're getting 10 million dollars. Practice.

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Yea do realize that compared to what Berry is making that is chump change and you could argue Thomas has been better since he's played more and all that...

Actually he's never made as much as Berry has, Thomas has been an elite player and never been the highest paid guy or really even close.

Who signed the contract he is currently playing on? I believe that says Earl Thomas at the bottom.

Yea I'll give Earl some credit for legit being a team guy and taking less money to keep his bowl team together and not being **** you pay me until his team had the money to pay him and refused..

Berry is just **** you pay me all the time.

You're bringing up Berry, not me.

He was such a team guy he signed a below market deal and is now pissed about it. Ok. You still signed it and are under contract.

His problem is not having long term security. At any point this year he goes down his chances at a decent contract is severely impacted.

It was not a "below market deal" at the time. I believe, when signed, Thomas was the highest paid Safety in the league.

They had the opportunity to do him a solid by saying hey Earl you took less for us so now we'll pay you and in return they paid Tyler Lockett.

If you were in his same spot you'd feel like I did you a solid and now you're being a bitch when it's time to return the favor.

I get that.

But he's also under contract at this point and people are acting like he's getting paid nothing.

Maybe they don't want to make a 29 year old safety the highest paid player at his position?

Something you've bitched at the CHiefs for doing with EB.

https://overthecap.com/position/safety/

Is that where Earl Thomas should be on that list?

Earl Thomas doesn't have a quarter of that injury history.

He's also 29, about to be 30/

Sounds like we'd have to pay a premium just because we aren't Dallas on top of that? Nope, I'm good.

How old is Berry? Aren't they similar in age?

I think whoever gets him is paying a premium.

Same draft class IIRC

They were drafted the same year, I so assume they're pretty close.

So the million dollar question is would the Chiefs consider trading one of their 2 second round picks from next year to have him, just for this season, knowing he would walk after the season (probably to the Cowboys) for a big FA contract?

He would get a legitimate shot at a ring. The Chiefs second level defense would be helped out significantly and theoretically, he could stabilize the position till Berry gets back and fully healthy (be that this season or next).

So, do you make the trade knowing you'll just have him for this season and it'll only cost you a second round pick??

Pay him the premium this year, offer him an incentive laden contract, win the SB this year, cut him.

That's not "I just want to be paid accordingly." That's "I'd rather be somewhere else but I'll stick around if you REALLY make it worth my while."

Are you not paying attention to how he's acting right now? This shouldn't even be a question.

I'm just asking the question, based on Chadiha's info to see if the pulse of CP would generally be in favor of it or against it . . . .

Good point. This could very well be the sticking point.

Again, what makes you believe he would be willing to just come here and quietly play out the remainder of his contract? He wants paid right ****ing now and he's willing to act like a total douche to get his way.

I'll answer the question first since I proposed it:

I would.

It's either the Chiefs pick or the Rams pick in the second round next year, both which will presumably be towards the back end of the second round. It's hard to find elite players there. You can, but it's not easy.

Earl Thomas for one season is still an elite player and I think if he came to the Chiefs he knows he would have a shot at a ring in a down AFC, which could theoretically enhance his value even more, making him even more $$$$$ in the off season in FA. He wants to go to the Cowboys, yes, but he ALSO wants to get paid! The Chiefs could give him an additional platform to do that.

And, I'll be honest, I'm tired of waiting. You never know what the future holds. Injuries and other bad shit happens. And it seems like Mahomes is possibly having a season for the ages. Those don't come along very often. As another poster mentioned somewhere in this thread (or it might have been another one), the Chiefs are elite in two phases: Offense and ST. Why not take the defense from bad to at least average with an impact player like Earl Thomas??

It is a HUGE position of need for this team right now and would probably make us the front runner in the AFC. The Brady era has got to end sometime . . . . . .

The Chiefs aren't the ones who screwed him over on his contract, the Seahawks are. He's pissed at them. He took less money to stay there, with the understanding they would 'make it up' to him down the line on the next contract.

I think he would be fine (for the rest of this season) if he came here or to any other 'contender', knowing he is simply enhancing himself for a BIG payday in the off-season, when he can choose to go wherever he wants (Cowboys?) or to whoever wants to give him the most money.

No. Working out the long term deal is key. Don't want to trade a #2 for a one-year-rental - That is what my mind tells me...

BUT when I consider the fact that we have TWO #2's, and he is arguably the best at his position - which happens to be a position of GREAT need for the Chiefs, then YES, I'd do it and deal with all that goes with it afterwards. Maybe we can work out a long term deal.

"I need to make sure my body is 100 (percent), and I'm investing in myself. If they were invested in me, I would be out there practicing," Thomas said, per The Seattle Times. "But if I feel like if I have anything, even if it's something small, if I got a headache, I'm not practicing."

Sure sounds like a guy you'd want to burn a 2nd round pick on to be a 1 year rental.

Uhhhh no. Earl Thomas is looking for a contract. He's not going to be traded here and then play out the last year of his contract.

Never understand why folks put such a high emphasis on draft picks. What's the percentage the pick works out? 50? 70?

Why not get the guy with 100 percent chance of being a stud. Trade that pick!

"I need to make sure my body is 100 (percent), and I'm investing in myself. If they were invested in me, I would be out there practicing," Thomas said, per The Seattle Times. "But if I feel like if I have anything, even if it's something small, if I got a headache, I'm not practicing."

That's why.

I find this argument so illegitimate. If owners don't guarantee contracts, then I, as a player, wouldn't either.

Again, I think his 'temper-tantrum' is directed at the Seahawks specifically and the way they have handled things with him. I don't think he would act that way if he ended up on the Chiefs, Patriots, Rams, etc. (pick your contender). He's smart. He and his agent knows he will get paid big in the off-season if he gets to FA. Especially at a time when the league values safety play probably more than it ever has.

And as far as the second round pick goes, I get the logic on both sides. But, to me, the risk (for this season and what it could mean) outweighs the reward (insert random late second round player) of holding onto the pick when you have a chance to land an impact player (even if it is only for one season).


Again, just my opinion.

Good luck if you take that gamble and he ends up being exactly what you thought he was. Now you're down a 2nd round pick and the guy is either going to continue his antics or you pay him an exorbitant amount of money just to shut him up and set a dangerous precedent for future malcontents.

I'm fine with that in this position, if we sucked then the picks are better, young cost controlled players are a good thing but this defense needs guys to build around badly.

We also can not afford to tie up that much cap space in old safeties when we have far bigger guys to sign in the near future.

Hopefully nobody. I highly, highly doubt the Chiefs are going to give up draft picks without having a deal in place 1st. No team would do that. Well, maybe the Bills.

I'm not sure why this is even a question or in debate. If the Chiefs trade for Thomas it's because they've already worked out a deal.

We do?

Hill...I'm really tired of this act that Chris Jones is an all pro, he's not.

Thomas is the #1 rated PFF defender right now...

Because you build rosters through the draft.

Draft picks are NFL capital. The more picks you have, the more flexibility you have. The more flexibility you have, the stronger your opportunity to GO GET the guys you want instead of waiting and crossing your fingers hoping the guy you want falls in your lap.

If you're going after the guys you believe in, they're more likely to work out.

One of those second round picks could allow us the mobility to move up in the first round to take a player that the staff covets.

I'm not saying yay or nay on Thomas, just explaining why picks are valuable. People can talk 'BPA', but I've always thought you take the Walsh approach. Target specific players and GO GET THEM. You need flexibility to do that.

Do you trust this staff to draft defensive players?

Let's be real here the 1st rounder is at the end of the round...would you have traded the draft pick for Dee Ford for Earl Thomas? And Ford is one of the better defensive picks of this regime.

Bird in the hand, man. Chances that we draft a guy of Thomas's caliber with that pick are slim at best. Even if we do get his services for an extra couple of years.

The Jets are rumored to be considering trading for Leveon Bell, without being able to negotiate a long term deal with him (no team can at this point, due to the franchise tag), so it IS possible that a team might give up a draft pick for, in essence, a one year rental.

It doesn't happen often, but it has a few times . . . . .

Once again, they'll assume they can keep him.

The question I’d like to ask Veach is are you planning to make a run at Thomas in FA anyways?

Cause if so, make the trade. Don’t overpay, wait for the price to come down, but make the trade this year and be done with it.

I trust them to draft defensive players. I just don't trust them to accurately evaluate and pick GOOD defensive players. :D I also don't think appealing to the past is a great reason for not even trying in the future.

However I'm a fan of Earl Thomas. He's got a good few years left. A few years of a player his calibur is worth a 2nd round pick. Especially given our weakness on the back end.

Consider KC's offense. Kelce -3rd around. Hunt - 3rd round Hill - 5th round Mahomes - 10th pick

And, you know... KC used draft capital to trade into position for more than one of them. Let's not pooh pooh the value of draft picks.

I seriously doubt they can get a better player with that pick than Thomas.

Of course, but it's not guaranteed. He (or his agent) may decide he wants to go elsewhere once the season ends.

I think he has 5 years left, plenty of safeties last forever and he's been durable.