:facepalm:

Wheeler for Bader straight up and you said no?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a> did engage on Zack Wheeler, but the Mets’ ask was Tyler O’Neill or Harrison Bader and the Cards felt it wasn’t worth it for 10-11 Wheeler starts. Marcell Ozuna could walk next year.</p>&mdash; Mark Saxon (@markasaxon) <a href="https://twitter.com/markasaxon/status/1156682554415747080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wheeler is dealing with shoulder fatigue. Even though Bader is only ever going to be a defensive replacement, a few years of that is worth more than 10 starts from a diminished Wheeler.

The Gyorko deal is laughably stupid. I have no idea what the point of acquiring Cingrani was. If the Dodgers need help with tax issues, why aren't they giving you bonus money? I legitimately wonder if Mo thought he was healthy.

1 for their last 32 with RISP. How is that possible.

no one here thinks Wheeler is a plan B Thor. But, the comment from Mo was we may need Bader as a starter when Ozuna leaves. Bader can’t hit anything but a fastball. He should never be a starter until he learns to hit breaking balls.

So much this. For everyone complaining about no moves, it was the right thing to do. I went into today fully expecting Gorman or Carlson to get moved for some shitty starter.

yeah **** that. Carlson or Gorman for Trevor Bauer or something similar?:BS:

That counts as a hit with RISP. No run scored but time to celebrate.

Cardinals scouting department must be really bad at their jobs.

Happ swings and misses like 70% of the time on high fastballs with a <.050 ISO in the upper 3rd and they just get him to swing at strike 2 helmet level and come back with a low curveball on the next pitch.

I think Mikolas was trying to waste it and it just didnt have the depth on the break he needed. It wasn't a truly bad pitch but its wasn't supposed to be hittable and it was so that's what happened.

Ya but there's really no need to even set him up. He was demoted because you can just feed that pitch to him one after the other and the worst that will happen is maybe once in a blue moon he'll bloop one down the line but the most likely result is that he will strikeout swinging. It got so bad last year that he just stopped swinging to the point of having the lowest swing% of any batter in the game by a mile.

Apparently Greinke was interested in coming to stl

That would have been nice

Yeah, sort of like Scherzer. That would have been nice, too.

The management of this team needs to ****ing die. :#

Depends on what was asked? Whats the rumor that we would have had to give up?

Houston had to give up a Top 100 player who is hurt. I'm willing to bet if we took on more salary, we would not have had to give up Gorman or Carlson.

A prospect overrated by our administration that wouldn’t ever amount to anything anyway

Who?

I dunno, pick a prospect that this group is high on

Odds are they’ve overrated them

Cardinals couldn't have justified it, to be honest.

To match the Astros package, they'd have had to give up something like Gorman, Woodford and Fernandez. And they'd have had to take on $100 million in salary.

The Cardinals can excuse doing one of the above but not both. Not with their system being as ungodly mediocre as it is and the team not really being championship caliber anyway, even with Greinke.

The Astros can make that move because they're loaded at the major league level AND have a farm system that is both deeper and has a higher end than ours.

True

Maybe someone in the organization needs to hack into the Astros computers to see him they handle their system.......

Here's a fun/embarrassing exercise I undertook on my Cardinals board.

How much better are the Astros than the Cardinals? If you went down their roster, let's just say alphabetically, and culled every other player and replaced him with someone they had in AAA - would the Astros STILL be better than STL?

It's a close call. Here are their respective 'halved' rosters - sorted alphabetically and then split every other player down the middle - that you'd then need to supplement:

Team 1:

IF: Altuve, Correa, Gurriel, Diaz, Chirinos
OF: Brantley, Marisnick
SP: Verlander, McHugh, James, Sneed
BP: Osuna, Pressly, Rondon
Bn: Straw

Team 2:

IF: Alvarez, Bregman, Maldonado
OF: Reddick, Springer
SP: Cole, Greinke, Miley
BP: Devenski, Harris, Peacock, Smith, Urquidy

Team 1 is better than STL's, no question. Add Tucker to the starting lineup in CF, Whitley to the rotation, Fisher to the bench, guys like Garza, McCurry, Bielak and Emanuel to the bullpen. That teams better than the Cardinals; bench is poor because a lot of their offensive prospects are in the low minors now. That's the only weakness they'd have since I, y'know, blinked half their !@#$ing team out of existence and all.

Team 2 is closer b/c that IF is pretty lousy. Bregman at SS and Alvarez at 1b is a heck of a start but there's really nothing left for them at 2b and 3b. Fortunately they have a GM that isn't reeruned so they'd probably shop that extra relief arm to Team 1 to try to bring Straw over, who'd look awfully nice at 2b for them. As it stands you're looking at Jack Mayfield. 3b is probably Nick Tanielu but Mayfield has an OPS of .940 in AAA and Tanielu at .790 so these guys (organizational depth for them) aren't scrubs. Throw in Jones and Ferguson w/ OPS north of .900 and .860 respectively off the bench and yeah, you're probably doing okay (could obviously fit those same guys on the bench in team 1 as well).

I mean if you sat down and intentionally tried to build 2 teams that could be made better than the Cardinals by actually picking and choosing, it would be child's play. This was a completely random attempt and created at least 1 team that's better than STL and very probably both of them due to the strength of Team 2's pitching staff.

Now I couldn't make 2 squads if I could only use each minor leaguer once. But if I split the 25 man down the middle and let them share their minor league depth, I think both teams are better than the Cardinals.

Folks, that's just funny right there.

just stop it’s depressing. :eek::cuss: This is all on Dewitt now. He doesn’t fire Mo, it’s all about money. Mo is making him brinks trucks full of money. That’s what I value.

What was that show on HBO where half the world disappeared and nobody knew why?

Or better still, Thanos. What if Thanos is a Cardinals fan? Does the snap, lets the Cards keep their roster. Oh sure, the Cardinals would finally figure out a way to beat the Cubs, but I'm still not convinced they'd take down the Dodgers to even get the chance to lose to half the Astros organization.

because the Astros picked in top 11 for 7/9 years. Multiple top 5 picks including 2 #1’s that everyone agreed was far and away a better player than the rest doesn’t mean Ludhow is a lucky GM. But..... we kept the wrong one. we haven’t had a lineup to rival or even get close to the current Astros lineup since those
Walker/Beltran/Berkman/Pujols/Rolen/Edmonds etc. lineups.

The Astros have an amazing developmental system. They take D+ guys and turn them into B+ guys.

If it was just about tanking then the Reds or Marlins would have done it, too.


https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2019/6...great-scouting

"As a result, the Astros are dominating the minors even more than the majors. In 2018, four years removed from the franchise’s last no. 1 pick, Astros pitchers led their league in strikeout rate at six successive levels, from MLB down to short-season A-ball. (At the seventh level, Rookie ball, their rank sank all the way to second.) Weighted by playing time, the average age of those minor-league pitchers above Rookie ball, 22.9, was the lowest of any AL organization. Astros hitters above Rookie ball, meanwhile, were second in walk-to-strikeout ratio and—despite not playing in any notably offense-friendly parks—fourth in home-run rate. And as for wins—well, Astros minor-league teams led all organizations in combined winning percentage above Rookie ball (.585), short-season A-ball (.587), full-season A-ball (.589), and High-A (.592).

The way they did that is telling, too. According to TrackMan data, Astros hitters led the minors in pull percentage and the percentage of balls hit in the air. Despite that power-centric approach, they chased balls at the third-lowest rate and maintained an above-average contact rate. On the pitching side, Astros minor leaguers led all teams in fastball velocity, breaking-ball spin rate, off-speed-pitch percentage, percentage of four-seam fastballs thrown in the upper third of the zone, and whiffs per swing. Name a data-driven developmental trend in today’s game, and the Astros aren’t just at or near the forefront of it at the big-league level, but they’re also grooming the current roster’s replacements from Triple-A down to the Dominican Summer League."


Read that article. It's an absolute indictment of the Cadinals' approach since he left, and it demonstrates who the real mover was in the organization when Luhnow was here.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jon Lester after Jack Flaherty and the Cardinals combined for a one-hitter in an 8-0 shutout: “He pretty much shoved it right up our asses.”</p>&mdash; Patrick Mooney (@PJ_Mooney) <a href="https://twitter.com/PJ_Mooney/status/1157118265174429697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Could say that about any pitcher the Cubs face on the road. This team is garbage on the road.

This is like 2018 all over again when the offense disappeared for the 2nd half of the season. Even their 1 win in this series was dogshit. The first 2 games were a competition of which team wanted to lose more than the other.

If this is what its like for the next 2 months, and there's no reason to believe it wont be because its been like this all season outside of 1 good run after the first sweep of the Cardinals, then I wont at all be surprised if someone like Baez is traded to retool the lineup and bring in more contact.

So much for that dynasty, eh?

What's funny is that I'm pretty sure I've never used that word. The Cubs are still far and away the most talented team in the central, but the Dodgers have clearly been the class of the NL since 2017.

The dumbass Jose Quintana trade pretty much crippled the Cubs potential to make significant moves so they are pretty much left with having to trade one of the core 4.

Far and away my ass. You dont need to look any farther than the last 2 seasons records and compare them to the rest of the division. We arent talking some small sample size.

If you think theres any team in the central that has as much talent as the Cubs you are lying to yourself. They are simply flawed because theres too much swing and miss in the lineup which is getting exposed because Zobrist decided he was just going to quit on the team for damn near the whole season because of a divorce.

The role players on this team are cut from the same cloth as the stars so while they Cubs can field a lineup that has 4 or 5 guys with a .850 OPS+ the guys that are supposed to set the table dont do it often enough and same thing with the guys that should be playing station to station. Why the **** guys like Ian Happ are still on this roster is beyond me.

It also doesn't help that Maddon is a ****ing circus act that juggles everything for no apparent reason other than to demonstrate his brilliance. One day someones playing 3rd, the next they are playing RF, the next they are playing LF, and just for fun maybe we'll stick them in CF. About the only players that know where they are going to play are Rizzo and Baez and even then who knows where the **** they are going to hit in the lineup. One day they'll be asked to drive in runs from the middle of the lineup and the next day they'll be asked to change their approach and leadoff. And oh by the way if you are on fire and just had a 4 hit game with 2 home runs and 5 RBI's treat yourself to a day off because you havent had one in 4 games. Even the players have hinted at their displeasure with the constant juggling and not know what they are going to be asked to do from one day to the next but brush it off as "that's just Joe being Joe." His constant juggling and the fact that he can't manage a bullpen even if it was scripted perfectly for him is likely a big reason why just 3 years ago he won a WS and today he's a lame duck. Sure he can get a lot out of players by simply making the locker room a fun environment but he's an absolute clown when it comes to managing a game.

I didn't say the Cubs didn't have the most overall talent but its not "far and way" better it is "marginally better" talent and their record proves this.

And you aren't making a good argument for your team being "far and away" more talented your argument tells me they aren't.

I mean shit by your standards the Cardinals are way more talented than their record, the issue is Carp, Goldy, DeJonge, Fowler, Molina, J Martinez, Wong, Micholas, C Martinez, Flaherty etc....just aren't playing up to their expectations.

Not sure the Cardinals aren't playing up to their expectations. Maybe Goldy and C Martinez but the rest are either hitting the age wall, don't have enough time under their belt to know what to "expect," or are playing up to expectations like Fowler and Wong.

I live about 5 minutes from the Rays stadium. I wanted Maddon when Larussa left. Everyone down here thought he was a genius. Matheny coasted on Larussas players until he had to fly on his own and crashed the plane into a mountain. Still not recovered.

I'm hopeful about Schildt. I dont like his everything is rosey comments to the media but on the field, the defense and base running is better with essentially the same players. His bullpen management is light years ahead of Matheny. He pulled Flaherty in his last game before Flaherty could get a win because like all of the rest of us could see, he had lost it. Leave him in, the game gets out of hand. We won the game and Flaherty comes back the next game and 1 hits the Cubs over 7 innings.

Our issue with being mediocre doesnt appear to be a manager issue. He might be a keeper.

I don't necessarily think Maddon is a bad manager per say, there's plenty of options out there worse than him like Matheny, but its pretty obvious that he's not cut out to manage the pressure. Stick him in Tampa where no one gives a **** and he can do whatever he wants, but there's not a person around that wont say that Maddon did not try as hard as he could to lose that World Series with his management from having a ****ing 5 run lead and bringing in Chapman in the 8th inning of game 6 after he's overworked him the entire series to taking out Hendricks in game 7 when he was absolutely dealing to go to his prescripted plan of bringing in Lester who promptly throws a wild pitch that scores 2 runs.

I'm sorry, but that argument just doesn't wash anymore.

Yes, they got Correa #1 overall, but don't act like he was a clear consensus #1. No, everyone didn't agree that Correa was far and away a better player than the rest. In fact, the Correa pick was a late comer (and I was pretty proud of myself because I was watching the kid as a possible later 1st round pick for STL early in the draft season; he skyrocketed up boards) that surprised a lot of people. Most saw Buxton as the top talent in that draft. Others liked Zunino. And really, EVERYONE saw Mark Appel as the top talent in that draft if his demands were met. Signability concerns were all that pushed him down boards a bit.

Most GMs would've taken Appel. You KNOW Mozeliak would've taken Appel. Luhnow took Correa and the pick was brilliant.

Bregman was also a top pick but again, with an asterisk. Bregman was taken #2 overall that year but do you remember why the Astros picked there? Because they took Aiken #1 overall the year prior and he wouldn't sign after medicals turned up a compromised UCL. Luhnow took worlds of shit from the baseball community (shit Mozeliak wouldn't have been willing to take), let him walk, recaptured the pick and used it the following season on Bregman. It took serious conviction for Luhnow to did what he did there and he was rewarded for it.

Springer was taken in the mid-1st. Alvarez was acquired for Fields. Gurriel a FA. Cole was picked up with a poo poo platter of mediocre prospects (similar to the package the Cards gave up for Ozuna). Verlander was acquired for nothing but salary relief. Ozuna as a distressed asset. Brantley clips off 3 win seasons like they're nothing since 2014 and Luhnow gets him on a low-cost 2 year deal - Fowler has 1 decent year in the last 5 and Mozeliak guarantees him $80 million.

You look at the guys they're trading away, these were mid-1st rounders. Seth Beer was taken later in his draft than Nick Plummer was taken in his but Nick Plummer will be out of baseball in 2 years while Beer's headlining deals for CY winners. Bukauskas was taken around Wacha's spot and we let Wacha's value dwindle to nothing because our GM has no marbles.

The Astros lost a guy in McCullers who has been able to dominate major league hitters and they don't skip a beat. Correa and Springer go down and they just plug in Gurriel and Alvarez (neither high picks) because their depth is outstanding. Meanwhile we lose Matt Carpenter and his negative WAR and Alex Reyes and Mozeliak uses it as an excuse to fold up his tent.

Tucker's the last of the 'high pick' prospects and they don't even need the guy. The Astros aren't great because they sucked. They're great because their GM is great. They're great because their front office has a plan and is committed to securing another title.

That argument simply doesn't wash if you actually start to look at their system. They're an amazingly well run organization.

The Cardinals, OTOH, are not.

Brilliant.

The stuff about their minor league players just crushing the competition in key indicators is impressive too (best strikeout rate in each league for pitchers, best hard-hit for hitters, etc).

Luhnow’s org has no weaknesses. It drafts well. It develops consistently and excellently. They trade well.

I mean, they got Yordan Alvarez for 2 months of Josh ****ing Fields.

And they’re not afraid to zig when the industry zags.

Forrest Whitley is the latest example. They have him basically completely rebuilding himself in the lower minors despite the fact he was almost to MlB because he had a few mechanical flaws holding back his command and results.

How many other orgs would have the balls to demote the top pitching prospect in baseball from AAA to A to completely re-work mechanics?

None.

Bob Nutting is good at making money at a ski resort.

That sums up my Pirates.

To follow up, they’re going to take Aaron Sanchez and turn him into a monster because they’re going to have him focus on what he actually does well and stop asking him to pound the bottom of the zone with a sinker.

And all it cost them was Derek Fisher. What an org.

We are nothing more than a glorified farm team for the upper echelon of the MLB.

I've been a fan since 1970 and my first game ever was seeing Roberto Clemente, Bill Mazerowski, Dock Ellis and Willie Stargell all in one game against the Phillies at the Vet.

To think it's been now 40 years since we've been in a World Series is a joke for the history of this team and what they once were. :crybaby:

I'm surprised this shit-stain of a franchise didn't trade Josh Bell and Starling Marte for some broke dick 40 year old reliever.

The Chris Archer trade was an abortion, just like our management. :Lin:

It is sad that this is the reality of modern baseball. And for the most part, it seems now that everybody who is not the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers falls into this category. Some of the other teams can hold on to some of their star players, but the cream of the crop always seems to end up with those bloated soulless ****s.

But remember the Royals. It is always possible for the stars to briefly align for a small market team. They'll be picked clean and destroyed within a season or two, but pennants and championships last forever.

The Padres, Phillies, and Angels have handed out the largest three contracts of late.

The Archer trade was just bad execution of the sort of commitment you would want to see from a team like the Pirates.

The problem wasn't what they did, it was who they did it for.

All anyone needed to do to understand how bad that trade was for them was watch Archer pitch. Don't look at his overall stats, don't fall in love with the peripherals. That works for some guys but for some it just does not.

When you see Archer quit on an AB and give up a missle with a 3 run lead because he didn't want to hurt his sparkly K-BB rate and he'd fallen behind by nibbling instead of attacking the hitter (because again, trying to get that K) you realize real quickly that he's one of the very few 'losing' pitchers in this game.

I don't toss that term around lightly; most guys are more unlucky or just bad than they are someone who self-sabotages. Archer, OTOH, is a loser - pure and simple. Put him on the Astros and he'd go 12-8.

Y'all fell in love with the numbers but the scouts clearly didn't just watch the guy that much.

THAT right there was what was so AWESOME about how the Astros won their 1st title in 2017. Meant so much to roll Boston, New York and LA in the process! Might get a repeat this season...

Though if the Astros go again, I hope they face the Cardinals. Im sick of LA and cant stand the Cubs or Braves. It's old NL hate.

Wow! Carpenter still sucks! Who would have thought?

And they are currently 20.5, 7.0 and 17.0 games out of first.

Great points and I never dug that deep. They traded for a guy they thought could win at that moment and gave up TWO excellent prospects in Meadows and Glasnow who've been kicking ass.

Our prior pitching coach was great but this new guy sucks cock. He doesn't know how to get the most from pitchers.

And it appears Jung Ho Kung can only play well when he is all liquored up. He sucks on sobriety.

That's the point, though. The big market teams aren't succeeding because of their market size, but because they're well-run organizations. When the Yankees were spending like idiots the last years of Steinbrenner's life they weren't nearly as successful.

It costs very little to set up a program like the Astros did. The Pirates aren't floundering because they're a farm team; they're floundering because they can't develop or evaluate players.

You put the same people in those organizations in small market cities and they might keep their teams somewhat competitive, but without the big market cash they won't hit the next level; at least not with regularity.

I get that it takes more than just money; the Angels are proof of that. Trout's a generational talent who is going to waste his entire career playing for those clowns. But there will never come a day when the Dodgers helplessly watch other teams pilfer multiple star players, and that's just a reality for the little guys.

The Darrell Porter Effect.

They can develop players and have but then they trade them for shit! :rolleyes:

Can they, though?

Meadows was an extremely high pedigree kid who just couldn't pick a lane. They seemed to be content letting him fail trying to go out there like Ken Griffey Jr and overswing. He wouldn't have been this guy in Pittsburgh, IMO.

Glasnow had been spinning his wheels there for a couple years. He was slowly turning the corner but it probably took a new set of eyes to really get him figured out (before he broke down).

I still can't believe how much they gave up for that !@#$ing clown, especially when Baz was the 'throw in' as a first round pick the year prior who had been developing on schedule.

Glassnow had to deal with our piece of shit pitching coach and staff. They used to be good and the new team would find a way to **** up Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver, Bob Gibson and Steve Carlton in one season

Giving Wacha another start. Who could have seen this coming? He just had an off night. He was tough out there. Didn’t get down. He fought like a warrior out there on the mound. You’ll see him mow them down in his next start in 5 days. We have complete trust in him to get us a win next time.

Moe tried really hard. He spent 7 days in a room and is frustrated that nothing got done. This job is really hard guys.

But - he tried. And that's what's important.

just like Wacha.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That’s 5 runs, 92 pitches, in 3.2 IP. <br>Welcome back, (buddy) pal.</p>&mdash; Tara Wellman (@tarawellman) <a href="https://twitter.com/tarawellman/status/1158582308846428160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Can't blame Wacha any more than we could blame you.

Wacha's fried. You know he's fried, I know he's fried and HE knows he's fried. Guy has no business being out there and he's just trying to be a good soldier because they asked him to.

They sent that poor kid out there to fail knowing full well he would. Why? Because of organizational malpractice.

John Mozeliak has to be fired. He just has to be. This team has gotten older, more expensive, less flexible and WORSE every year for the last 5 years. Look at the damn payroll structure lads - this is your team next year as well. They're not adding Cole. They're not adding a real 3b. They're probably going to be worse because they'll let Ozuna go, put Bader in CF and Martinez full time in LF.

And they'll find some schlub like Wade Miley or something to 'replace' Wacha.

This team is going to continue to get worse and will take 3-4 years after firing Mozeliak to get better. They're irrelevant until 2023 at the very least.

It's staggering what a piss-poor job John Mozeliak has done.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think this game was important to figure out that Wacha and Mejia may not be future Cy Young’s. That should be noted going forward.</p>&mdash; CardsCards (@StlCardsCards) <a href="https://twitter.com/StlCardsCards/status/1158589696697602048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wacha versus the Dodgers. Sounds like the student-faculty rugby game from Meaning of Life. %(/

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Shildt said Michael Wacha had good stuff tonight, which raises the worrisome question of what would have happened if he’d had his ‘B’ stuff. Yielded seven hits, including two home runs in 3 2/3 innings.</p>&mdash; Mark Saxon (@markasaxon) <a href="https://twitter.com/markasaxon/status/1158620324683902976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I turned that shit off after the bellinger 3 run jack.

I waited until DeJong had to snare a 100 mph 1-hopper and Goldschmidt had to make a diving snag on 105 at his backhand to get out of the inning.

The HR wasn't even the most ominous part of that inning, it was that the outs were ****ing missiles.

And of course the offense had gone down with nary a whimper already.

So it occurred to me that I was watching a Michael Wacha start against a no-name opponent pitching for the best team in the league while Matt Carpenter led off, Marcel Ozuna murdered rallies and Fowler patrolled CF.

I mean jesus tits, how many times can I watch the same shit team against clearly superior opponents?

So instead I watched a couple episodes of season 1 of The Grand Tour. Forgot how badly they struggled out of the gates but it was still better than watching Michael ****ing Wacha pitch...

I've never seen a worse team with a winning record and on top of it Shildt apparently is moonlighting for the Onion in his press conferences. Fire his ass with the rest of them he isn't the reason for the winning record, dumb luck and playing shitty teams is.

and right on q


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Shildt said Michael Wacha had good stuff tonight, which raises the worrisome question of what would have happened if he’d had his ‘B’ stuff. Yielded seven hits, including two home runs in 3 2/3 innings.</p>&mdash; Mark Saxon (@markasaxon) <a href="https://twitter.com/markasaxon/status/1158620324683902976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Did you just re-post yourself?

Because I'm pretty sure you just re-posted yourself.

Lmao is BRC going senile or hitting the bottle a bit early?

I loved my sarcasm so much, I had to post it twice.

Guess I don’t mind the unwarranted positive comments so long as it’s followed with taking a guy out of the rotation or lineup when they clearly should be.

Is that back to back shut out starts for Wheeler? Good thing we didn't give up Bader for that.

Sure will be glad when we get back to playing the other losers in our own shitty division that we can actually beat occasionally. :shake:

Don't worry guys, Shildt said they played an "airtight" game, "just 2 good teams going at it."

Hey Shildt the Cardinals are NOT good they are the absolute definition of average and honestly I don't see that holding up.

The Cardinals have lost 7 of their last 9.

Michael Wacha was responsible for 1 of those games. Oh, and we got shut-out in his start anyway.

Why do people insist on believing that Wheeler would've changed the direction of this club?

This isn't a good baseball team and Wheeler would've served to make it slightly better, and still not good.

The problem isn't that Mozeliak didn't get Wheeler. It's that he built a team where adding Wheeler wouldn't have mattered anyway.

Bingo!

BTW someone needs to let Shildt know this team is 2 games under .500 since May 1st.

that stupid ass PR, back your players, they fought hard crap pisses me off. But, he has improved the defense and base running with the same players from last year when it was an embarrassment. Most of his bullpen moves can be justified. Some bonehead ones for sure, but again, vast improvement over Matheny.

I’m not ready to say he sucks. The issue is our talent level. Who we traded for, gave FA contracts to. Schildt has no say whatsoever in acquiring talent, giving out FA money etc. Mo is the one who needs to be fired.

Unfortunately looks like Goldschmidt back to being kinda shitty again.

Lmao I'm talking a Fire Mozeliak sign to St Louis this weekend.

will they let you into the stadium with that kind of sign?

The Dodgers, Astros and A’s are light years ahead of us in talent. You can’t score 1-2 runs a game and beat that level of talent consistently. 2 runs in 3 games in LA for **** sakes.

I dunno. Think they would? My wife probably wouldn't go for it though.