No. The problem is it's the ****ing Broncos, and they're not dealing one of their best players to us over a contract spat.

No way would Denver trade Harris to the Chiefs.

He's not just a slot corner.

He's elite on the outside too. He prefers to play there.

Some of the most vocal opponents of this trade are the people most involved in the draft talk. When you have invested 4+ months going over and over (and over and over...) who to draft at #29, it can be a kick in the nuts when that pick gets traded away. You've hyped up "your player" so much that it feels like a loss when it won't happen.

The truth is that in this draft, #29 is kind of a sucky place to be as the elite talent will be gone and you will be over-drafting 2nd round talent (though getting a fifth year in the process).

Maybe SR can pm some people on facebook?

https://www.kmbc.com/article/domesti...rting/27246126

Interesting read about the domestic violence issues

I haven't read the whole thread but I haven't seen this posted.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...efs-1055m-deal

$105.5mil with $63.5mil guaranteed.

The only celebrity who's ever replied was TI and DJ Icey. (so far!)

If we come out of this 2nd and 3rd round with a solid corner, TE, WR, maybe a S.... this roster will be loaded for 2019 on paper.

Yeah we got fleeced - except we didn't - the dude is a badass trucker!

We will have to try NOT TO get a good TE - that position is so deep. IMHO

I dn how I feel about this, but we needed a proven DE to free up Chris Jones so I could work. I’m just scared shitless about our linebackers.....

Don't forget Earl Thomas

http://i67.tinypic.com/zxmf69.jpg

I wasn't originally excited about the idea of such massive compensation, but we added a serious playmaker on defense, and probably more significant, purged our defense of that loser mentality that plagued them. I'll take some Seahawks attitude on that D.

Blah blah blah - "disconcerting" don't turn on your tv on Sundays.

Do these people ever stop crying. :deevee:

After an awful year from Breeland Speaks the consensus around year is you can't get immediate production after the 1st round.

Bet Clark is jazzed about moving up to play for the loudest fans.

I find it funny that everybody sucked Cleveland’s dick when they traded the 17th pick, a 3rd, AND Peppers for Odell, but somehow this is the worst trade ever and we got raped?

Odell isn’t THAT much better of a football player, but he’s definitely worse for the culture/locker room. Not to mention positional value.

You're on top of it....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">49ers have completed a trade with the Chiefs for Alex Smith, tho can&#39;t be official til March 12. Chiefs really made a commitment to Smith</p>&mdash; Jay Glazer (@JayGlazer) <a href="https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/status/306809645597605888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The roster is fixing to be stacked after this weekend to a degree that we’ve not seen in a long ass time.

I love the KC Chiefs—my #1 most favorite NFL Football team!

All that's left now is the trading of our remaining picks for Greedy Williams to complete the Value Tilt-A-Whirl we've been tossed on to.

At least this eliminates the Garrett Bradbury ****ing rumors. I told you Reiter would be the starting Center

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Uh oh, have we discovered Clark&#39;s kryptonite???<br><br>Just kidding, even if we have, he plays RT for KC. Never forget that Schwartz is a stud. Maybe Pro Bowl voters should be told? <a href="https://t.co/GibtcMjXoP">pic.twitter.com/GibtcMjXoP</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1120852458627051520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Reiter isn’t guaranteed shit as far as being the starter. He’s the front runner, but there’s healthy competition there I’d say.

We could still draft McCoy or Jenkins in the 2nd.

This place is going to be a real riot after Veach trades both 2's to get back into the first.

LMAO You DO have a point there. And after last year's dazzling trade-up, I wouldn't put making such poor decision past our current GM.

It'd be ****ing hilarious if they traded both second rounders to Seattle for the 29th pick.

If it’s for a legit CB I’m all for it. If it’s for Bradbury I’m burning Veach at the stake

ROFL

Nah. He won’t do that, but I’ll be shocked if Veach doesn’t move up from the spots we draft in the second to get guys that fall a bit.

Hopefully 2 of the following get within range:

Gardner
Adderley
Greedy
Sweat
Simmons
Thornhill
Fant
Tillery
IrvSmith
Tillery
Rock ya sin
Bradbury
Johnson
Isabella
Hollywood
Deebo
Metcalf

At this point, he should. If he's so scared of actually trusting his scouts to do their job, and is incapable of running a board that can "change on a dime", then he should sell everything to get as high in the 1st as he can, and pick a prospect that has been labeled by by multiple talking heads as one of the potential "elite".

He took down his profile!

i think he will too

I just don't see it. Really makes no sense.

What # 1 pic is make us dominating? The draft is crap shoot of players bust.

But 2 # 2 can add quality depth, providing they don't bust too.

Keep our 2's!

Mahomes is the Chiefs last first round draft pick!!

https://www.kmbc.com/article/domesti...rting/27246126



Wow, he's actually been guilty of a lot more than Hunt ever did, and he gets $100M.

:rolleyes:

It was in college and Hunt was dismissed because he lied to his coaches and employer.

I was hoping we’d trade down because odds are good the value at 29 wouldn’t be there.

Now we got 1st round value for our 1st plus Ford, who didn’t fit our scheme anyway.

Now that I think about it if we win a SB this year I don’t care if Clark immediately turns and punches the first person he sees. It’s Hunts money and I just want one SB victory before I die...

Riverboat Brett don't care

The only thing left to do is win the whole ****ing thing. None of those picks matter if they do. Pick 29 isn't making an impact like Clark is...

Amen to that!!! I’m 50 - liver is shot - I need one SB before the Lord calls me home.

YOU'VE GOT THE TOUCH!

YOU'VE GOT THE POWWWWWWWWAHHHHHHHHHHHH

YEAH!

dang is it that bad?

It sounds like he was hangin out with that God damned Lonnie Chisenhall!!!

I think with our 2-2's, we have a good shot at getting either of these 2,

Joe Juan Williams-Vanderbilt, CB/S

Lonnie Johnson - UK, CB

I would be happy with 1. :D

I would be thrilled and spinning with both!:)

Won’t be watching the draft this year.

I've had time to cool off a bit. He is a great player.

But it's still a bad deal.

And I think some people are justifying it by saying, "**** IT, LET'S GO ALL IN JUST LIKE THE ROYALS!" The Royals saw an opening where they were close and acquired players to put them over the top. This defense is still at ground zero, where the only great pieces we really know about are Jones, Fuller, and Mathieu (a guy we had to pay through the nose in free agency). Yeah, there are other good players and potential gems littered throughout, but there are also 2 or 3 glaring weak spots and possibly more.

I just don't think the defense is going to make the leap people are expecting with this acquisition. I look at this defense and I still see plenty of holes and weaknesses that can be easily exploited.

Did we actually secure a defense that can actually be just good enough so that our offense can outscore everybody? I'm honestly not sure about that. I have way more hope for our change in defensive coaching staff and scheme accomplishing that goal than I do specifically filling one of those holes with Frank Clark.

It's now midnight and I still don't know how many Veach Power Points this deal is worth.

It's a very close call. Trade wise, it's probably a fair value swap since we need production now, Clark's a good fit for the new scheme, and it's unlikely we could do any better in the draft. Surrendering that extra 2020 2nd sucks, but the 3rd round swap this year is nice ... so that part is tricky.

Price wise, it's a different deal entirely. Clark is expensive. However, as we all know ... if you're going to make mac & cheese, put your money in the cheese. Rooks are cheap and we all know why.

So I don't think Veach earns any Power Points for this deal.

Except ... he got it done. And he got it done before the draft which means we are less likely to take a flier on an unproven edge guy. Veach can now focus elsewhere since the D-line is pretty set (and looking good from my point-of-view). Considering that, (insert stunned gasp from the crowd) I hereby award Veach one-half (1/2) Veach Power Points which puts his total at an even -42 Veach Power Points for his career to date. He has some work to do to get back to 0.

FAX

Amen.

Bust through the line like a froze dragon.

Squeeze the QB's head like a Naath orange.

FAX

Never trust ESPN. Ever.

They are Satan's deformed, ginger midgets.

FAX

I disliked this trade at first glance as well, but I think Veach did a pretty good job in the end. I wish the compensation were less, but you have to pay to play as Fax said.
We lost pass rushers with Houston and Ford, but they didn't and wouldn't fit Spags scheme. With Clark we got younger, better, and a multi year starter that is widely regarded as a stud pass rusher. As others have said we weren't getting this kind of impact from pick 29.
Now if Breeland and/or Mathieu don't pan out then I'm sure everyone will still blow a gasket, but I still kind of like this trade for now.

so you still think we could have got a more impactful player in the next two years before Mahomes rookie deal and the CBA is up? Pick 29? Really?

He might not. Or he might flourish under different/better coaching.

Same with Speaks and...yes, Kpass.



If they're all solid rotational players and one or two spark, we're going to be pretty damned tough up front.

A very understandable, sensible, and cogent point, Mr. Rausch.

On the other hand, when a player is being nagged half to death every single, damn night by some mouthy bitch, would you rather he suffer through the distraction or put a quick stop to the behavior so he can focus entirely on football?

It could be argued that a true professional would opt for the second approach.

FAX

In.

FAX

I don't mind.

If it's for a difference maker. If it's for a Center or something, I'm going to raise an eyebrow.

This is a pretty solid squad right now.

Dallas, you vapid testudine.

If you don't know the facts, it's advisable to keep your beak shut and your head tucked inside your concha.

FAX

I think you're being overly skeptical. Only time will tell, of course, but I think Honey Badger and Clark are part of not only a complete schematic overhaul, and a personnel overhaul, but more importantly a culture overhaul.

Clark plays like a rabid ****ing dog. That's contagious. Honey Badger has that name for a reason. This is part of a sea change.

To that point, guys like Mad Dog Frank can have a net-positive effect on guys like Speaks. That factor should be considered, IMO.

But the part I'm honestly most enthusiastic about is Mad Dog's quick feet, violent hands, and lateral movement. In the New NFL, classic edge guys are devalued whereas dudes who can run a twist or a stunt, move laterally through trash for 2 gaps, and still reach the backfield with bad intent in <2.5 seconds are golden.

FAX

I think in this draft and the next offseason + draft we could have built up a cheaper, more balanced and effective defense. And I think we'd be in a much better position when it comes time to putting the Mahomes extension on the books.

I don't give a shit about individual players. I'm tired of doing that. I'm tired of going into training camp and counting the impactful players on defense and going, "Hey, this looks great!" and then getting to the regular season only to have the unit play like dogshit.

I don't give a shit about individual studs. I just want a better ****ing defense. And paying a QB AND a passrusher AND our DT AND a free agent safety like Honey Badger leaves little room for your corners, linebackers, and depth. I look at a unit like that in the future and I instantly think Peyton Manning's Colts defenses where it was Dwight Freeney and a bag of dicks.

I don't want our defense to turn into that. I don't want Patrick Mahomes, his killer offense, and a defense made up of Frank Clark and a bag of dicks.

Hopefully that 2nd round pick is #64...essentially a 3rd.

Clark is what you hope your #29 pick ultimately becomes....Chiefs didn't have time to wait.

If KC can make this all work financially and still keep Jones and Hill...I dont really care about how much he costs. If they have to blow it up in a few years...they still have Mahomes. He trumps everything...the entire game changed with him...and Brady will be gone.

I've been watching the dude's highlights and I personally love this move. He's like a miniaturized Aaron Donald. Smaller, not quite as powerful, but just as relentless and ferocious. Our defence is better with Frank Clark.

A bolded truth.

Been there. Done that. We've had probably 70% of our defensive cap allocation tied up in two washed-up vets for a couple of years. (I don't know the actual percentage ... that's just a wild guess.) And when those guys are not impacting (or even playing), the drop-off to the second tier was Thelma & Louise highlight level.

That's not how you maintain a consistently winning franchise in my worldview.

But, it's also worth remembering that we've experienced a dramatic overhaul of the defensive coaching staff. That's a change that fosters a sense of encouragement and hope. Sadly, I fear that Sutton confused bag-o-dicks with impending victory.

FAX

On a side note, did Jason LaCanfora piss on an electric fence for a month straight or something? His eye shit is weirding me out.

Any guesses on what position our first pick will be on? I’m going with CB

I've calmed down about this. I like the player we got. I guess he came off the bench alot his first 3 seasons and only became a full time starter this year. Put up great numbers in limited playing time. He's still only 26. I didn't realize how good he was. Hopefully we can get a decent ILB in the draft. This D is really starting to come together.

As for the domestic violence issue, I just read the article posted by Mr. raidersnumber1.

Apparently, the girl took his TV remote and refused to return it.

And she's not in jail?

FAX

Sometimes you have to let the hen know who the rooster is....
Or the gender 103 know who the gender 28 is..

Why not pm Veach and find out for yourself?

Had a bit more time to think about this. So the Chiefs traded:

#29 and Dee Ford

And got in return:

9 slots higher in the 3rd in 2019, and probably 15 slots higher in the 2nd in 2020 and Frank Clark.

My gut feeling when this broke was that it was a lot but happy to have a young elite player. Now I'm thinking it's not quite as bad as I initially thought compensation wise

There is a reason why Veach is the gm and we are not

Chick should’ve been sucker punched and kicked. You never take another mans remote!

On the real tho. Any good players with major issues in this draft? Ala Tyreek Hill

dude. you're killing it. ROFL

Plus, Jimi is my idol, and biggest influence.

Well, no, nobody wants that. The reality we currently find ourselves is this-
We just took a first year starting QB to the AFCCG, and is the NFL's MVP. In his second season. Our 'window' opened real ****ing fast-faster than anyone could've reasonably expected.

it's good. It's great-but that defense was unbelievably shitty. It's an old story that D-linemen usually take a couple of years to really 'get it'. They've gotten by, being bigger and/or stronger than most of their opponents, so they don't typically dominate right away. Technique becomes really important. Certainly not a guy you'd get at #29.

So I look at it like this-we skipped a year of a rotational guy who maybe flashes some in 2019, and a guy who earns a starting spot in 2020 and plays pretty well, and then finally balls out in 2021. IF we are lucky and grab one of the 35% that 'succeed' as late first rounders. We skip all that and just go straight to: BADASS. In 2019, you know, when we need it bad, because we're so ****ing close to winning it all. Yes, he's expensive. We can also get out of the deal after the 3rd year IF WE WANT. I think we may not want to, honestly, because in 2022 the labor agreement is going to be pretty different and that HUGE deal will be pretty pedestrian.

The 2020 second rounder was probably always trade fodder, and even if not, you're talking a 20% or so success rate.

I like having lots of picks, I do. But when you have a chance for a 26 year old stud DE that's still ascending, and is a tone setter type player, I have no problems with giving up a #29 and a late 2nd next year. We still have a full complement of picks in 2020. No worries.

Do we still have weaknesses? yeah. Everyone does. Not a single team doesn't in the cap era. But we're a lot better today than we were Monday.

Also from the Nate Taylor article:

So, if the Chiefs weren't enamored of the talent that was going to be around at 29 and if they weren't bidding against themselves in a vacuum...

If the chiefs used the 2020 2nd and traded to move up from 29 for a pass rusher we’d be over the moon, saying what a great move it was. The difference is we got a proven player not a prospect. Sure, there’s the money but let’s wait to see how it’s structured.

"Sure, there’s the money but let’s wait to see how it’s structured."

I'm waiting on this myself before I get too upset over the look-a-like DeMarcus Lawrence contract... Even tho some projected Frank Clark 5 yrs 87.5 mil. There better be a nice long clause that takes in account of the risks of repeated off field and on the field incidents.